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School raised concerns over childs home life

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Smith212 · 21/12/2024 09:50

For some context my child is 9 asd diagnosed and has had very destructive behaviour only towards me and my home for years now. Co parent situation. My child literally rules me. Breaks my things, rips ALL of my clothes, empties liquids everywhere, destroys his siblings clothes, belongings etc, empties freezer fridges etc and puts the contents in household items such as desks drawers etc. Is physically and verbally abusive to me, very angry in general and defiant won't do a thing I say. If I say something like I'll have to tell dad about you pushing and hitting me it can't carry on (his dad's useless but when I'm desperate he is my only go to to get my child to listen) he will say things like I'll tell him you pushed and hit me he will believe me. I feel totally trapped. So he ends up just getting away with everything. I try consequence no tv etc or no I'm not getting you that new thing you asked for etc.... but nothing works. He has no respect or care for me. His school in so many words told me he's great at school and his dad's so it's my problem. All of the sudden get an email for a taf for concerns around his home life and no information. So have all christmas now to think what on earth has he said now. His dad takes I'm to a dodgy pub 24/7 but you can bet it's me in the firing line. I am no saint, especially as my child Never admits to all of these things which frustrates me more especially when I have nothing to wear for work as it's all been ripped even underwear etc. So yes sometimes I raise my voice- but everything I say he twists and turns. I told him that him ripping my last outfit was nasty behaviour and he wasn't being a nice boy, he turned that in to telling his dad I said I wish he wasn't born and I don't want him over Xmas.... like what the hell can I do!!!???? I have a younger child in this mix who is scared and apologises every time he sneezes I'm worried about his future too. I am hurt that his school and his dad don't seem to believe me (why on earth would I lie about any of this!!??) And now want this meeting... I'm wondering what it could be about and what I'll be accused of next. I am just trying to work and support my kids and I not even allowed to do that. Any insight advice words etc, please.

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HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:20

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 12:37

Please ignore any poster who describes your child as manipulative, or suggests says they know how to behave and are choosing to respond at home as they do. It's a red flag to use a blaming narrative about a disabled child who is clearly struggling with emotional regulation and social interactions - and not anything anyone with insight into autistic behaviours would do.

This

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:18

Cyb3rg4l · 21/12/2024 17:15

This is true. It is also true that children with disabilities can also be naughty. It is a challenge to work out what is going down sometimes. Also non disabled siblings have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their home.

This is a really ill informed post.
Would you say that the siblings if a physically disabled child should be able to live in peace without the clutter of wheelchairs and hoists?
I'm not trying to be rude but you are commenting on something that you really don't understand.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:15

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 16:42

Does he mask at his dad's as well then? Sorry I don't buy that

It's really common for children to mask at the non resident parent's house. They only let the mask slip when with the parent they feel safest with.

There is a wealth of professional research indicating this, whether or not you 'buy' it.

Unfortunately, teachers currently don't have any specialised SEND training as a matter of course, meaning you will find uninformed opinions amongst them as well as random posters on mumsnet.

Hopefully getting more specialised professionals from the LA involved will help your son OP.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:12

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 10:02

I feel like no one believes me but not sure what kind of horrid person would make this up and what it would gain honestly

I work in a related field. I find that actually the TAF and having other professionals involved means they take the issues you are dealing with from your son more seriously.
I find schools can be terrible for gaslighting parents that it must be their fault if they don't see the behaviours at school (I say that as a former teacher and unfortunately this is a real problem).

I would use it as an opportunity to try and get some help and support for you, your autistic son and their sibling.

If they feel you need help it will because your son's needs are complex not because they feel you are lacking as a parent.

Hankunamatata · 21/12/2024 18:55

Do you think he is a PDA profile of autism?

If so they need a completely different approach to parenting. It's really really hard. Iv saw lady on fb clips called at peace parenting and have found it helpful.

Whatafustercluck · 21/12/2024 18:45

If I'd been offered this kind of proactive intervention 2 years ago, I'd have jumped at the chance to get the support. At the time I very nearly did a self referral to SS. Thankfully, our lives have transformed (for the better) since then, but there was a very, very low point. Take the help, op. That's my strong recommendation. Also, sounds like your child could be masking at school leading to the behaviours you see at home. A TAF meeting is a positive step because it means the school recognise you need more support.

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 18:26

YeaH you got it. He respects his dad is desperate for his love and approval, mune is unconditional and he knows it. However wouldn't want him thinking otherwise of course he has my love.

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johnyhadasister · 21/12/2024 18:23

Frowningprovidence · 21/12/2024 18:00

He may well do. It's not unheard off at all.

It's also not unheard of for one parent to have no problems because they have no boundaries. the parent left trying to enforce bedtimes, homework etc gets all the push back, not the one that says it's fine to be on your Xbox til 2am, eating sweets.

It's also not unheard of for a child experiencing abuse in one house, to act up on the other as they don't know how to explain it.

I'm not saying any of these are the situation, but it's really not as simple as behaving in one setting, means that's the good settting getting it right.

It is of course possible that dad has more patience, is responding better to the situations. It might be because he has the child less often so has more rest or just has a different temperament. (Just for balance)

No, it seems the father is a male and has that kind of authority ( not the best kind of authority) over his son, but also goes with him to pubs - no restraint, just freedom

Frowningprovidence · 21/12/2024 18:00

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 16:42

Does he mask at his dad's as well then? Sorry I don't buy that

He may well do. It's not unheard off at all.

It's also not unheard of for one parent to have no problems because they have no boundaries. the parent left trying to enforce bedtimes, homework etc gets all the push back, not the one that says it's fine to be on your Xbox til 2am, eating sweets.

It's also not unheard of for a child experiencing abuse in one house, to act up on the other as they don't know how to explain it.

I'm not saying any of these are the situation, but it's really not as simple as behaving in one setting, means that's the good settting getting it right.

It is of course possible that dad has more patience, is responding better to the situations. It might be because he has the child less often so has more rest or just has a different temperament. (Just for balance)

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 17:24

Behaving punitively in this situation is not going to help.

Cyb3rg4l · 21/12/2024 17:15

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 16:52

Punishing a child for not yet having developed sufficiently cognitively or emotionally to cope in better ways will not work. Their current developmental capacities are insufficient to cope more adaptively with the environmental stressors they are facing.

You wouldn't think it was reasonable to punish a child in a wheelchair for not walking quickly enough.

This is true. It is also true that children with disabilities can also be naughty. It is a challenge to work out what is going down sometimes. Also non disabled siblings have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their home.

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 17:00

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Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 16:52

Hufflemuff · 21/12/2024 16:32

Send him to live with his Dad for a month and see how that goes! He needs to see this other side to him. I'd also start documenting his behavioirs so you have this as back up.

I'd also start punishing him - who gives a shit about his threats, you can't be his prisoner!

The school are irresponsible for sending you that message and then letting christmas break happen.

Punishing a child for not yet having developed sufficiently cognitively or emotionally to cope in better ways will not work. Their current developmental capacities are insufficient to cope more adaptively with the environmental stressors they are facing.

You wouldn't think it was reasonable to punish a child in a wheelchair for not walking quickly enough.

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 16:42

x2boys · 21/12/2024 16:33

The behavior probably isn't happening at school that's what masking is ,the Ops child is just about keeping everything together at school and then explodes at home ,that doesn't mean the child is fine on school just that they are not exhibiting the undesirable behaviour there.

Does he mask at his dad's as well then? Sorry I don't buy that

x2boys · 21/12/2024 16:33

Bollihobs · 21/12/2024 16:21

Surely if the behaviour was happening at school towards other children their parents would be asking questions even if the school were determined to say otherwise, no?

I'm just believing the OP, she knows her child, we don't.

The behavior probably isn't happening at school that's what masking is ,the Ops child is just about keeping everything together at school and then explodes at home ,that doesn't mean the child is fine on school just that they are not exhibiting the undesirable behaviour there.

Hufflemuff · 21/12/2024 16:32

Send him to live with his Dad for a month and see how that goes! He needs to see this other side to him. I'd also start documenting his behavioirs so you have this as back up.

I'd also start punishing him - who gives a shit about his threats, you can't be his prisoner!

The school are irresponsible for sending you that message and then letting christmas break happen.

Bollihobs · 21/12/2024 16:21

Oblomov24 · 21/12/2024 10:56

@Bollihobs
A school saying a child is 'fine' in school, to a parent of of ASD children is classic. Often they aren't, the school just doesn't have the skills to recognise. Plus how the child acts at home if often different.

I've reported this thread. I'm not happy with the judgemental posts and ASD ignorance towards op.

I agree with @Robotindisguise who sensibly suggests mnhq needs to step in on threads like this.

Surely if the behaviour was happening at school towards other children their parents would be asking questions even if the school were determined to say otherwise, no?

I'm just believing the OP, she knows her child, we don't.

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 15:59

This is the problem with AIBU.

Many families of disabled children the length and breadth of Britain go through stages of having very difficult home lives. They are denied the specialist support to help manage their children's conditions, they are denied respite, their children are often shamed and excluded within mainstream education, they are frequently victimised by peers and are enduring an uncomfortable sensory environment at school in which their needs and distress are often not well understood. They may not be able to access the sorts of childcare other families take for granted, which in turn can add financial pressures to the mix. This amounts to a major social crisis but it plays out in individual family homes, where to add the final insult to injury, onlookers then feel entitled to criticise children and parents for failing to behave normatively, adding social stigma on top of everything else. This takes a toll on the health of all household members.

This is how hundreds of thousands families live at any given time. The idea that the answer for children in this situation is to be taken into care is wildly unrealistic if you think of the cost and capacity issues, and aside from a much small number of exceptional situations, wildly inappropriate if you consider the child outcomes associated with this. With specialist input, Families can often find strategies that dramatically improve their situation. Getting needs met at school can also make a massive difference. As a nation we should be prioritising these things. They are much better to fix than dark fantasies about institutionalising large numbers of neurodivergent children.

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 15:30

This is really hard. All parties in this situation deserves compassion.

You might want to have a look at PACE (Dan Hughes) which is a way of thinking about parenting where there have been issues of trauma or attachment issues. Not saying those are factors at play here (although a lot of neurodivergent children do experience trauma), just that it is a really helpful framework for reflecting on your relationship with your child and what might be going on for you and them.

Some autistic children find it hard to admit to having broken rules, as that can feel quite a threatening thing to acknowledge, if you are very rules-focused.

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 15:14

x2boys · 21/12/2024 15:08

Mum might be his safe space?

Could be but whatever way you look at it the poor other children are at risk of being hurt or ending up with severe mental health issues. So for all round it would be better that the child goes to live with dad or goes into care because the op cannot deal with him and he's only going to get bigger and stronger.

x2boys · 21/12/2024 15:08

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 15:06

But he's ok when he's at his dad's too

Mum might be his safe space?

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 15:06

x2boys · 21/12/2024 14:08

Yes but some kids mask are school and then let it all out when they get home it's called the coke bottle affect
Obviously it's a broad spectrum and not all mask ,my son doesn't have the capacity to mask but it is a known phenomenon.

But he's ok when he's at his dad's too

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 15:05

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 21/12/2024 10:28

Put locks on bedroom doors for starters.

You don't ever do that are you stupid? What if there was a house fire?

Oblomov24 · 21/12/2024 15:05

Respite? Residential care? Dream on!

x2boys · 21/12/2024 14:11

jeaux90 · 21/12/2024 10:12

Honestly OP accept all help and I think he needs specialist care/residential this can't go on for you or your other DC.

You can think whst you like but it ain't going to happen.

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