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School raised concerns over childs home life

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Smith212 · 21/12/2024 09:50

For some context my child is 9 asd diagnosed and has had very destructive behaviour only towards me and my home for years now. Co parent situation. My child literally rules me. Breaks my things, rips ALL of my clothes, empties liquids everywhere, destroys his siblings clothes, belongings etc, empties freezer fridges etc and puts the contents in household items such as desks drawers etc. Is physically and verbally abusive to me, very angry in general and defiant won't do a thing I say. If I say something like I'll have to tell dad about you pushing and hitting me it can't carry on (his dad's useless but when I'm desperate he is my only go to to get my child to listen) he will say things like I'll tell him you pushed and hit me he will believe me. I feel totally trapped. So he ends up just getting away with everything. I try consequence no tv etc or no I'm not getting you that new thing you asked for etc.... but nothing works. He has no respect or care for me. His school in so many words told me he's great at school and his dad's so it's my problem. All of the sudden get an email for a taf for concerns around his home life and no information. So have all christmas now to think what on earth has he said now. His dad takes I'm to a dodgy pub 24/7 but you can bet it's me in the firing line. I am no saint, especially as my child Never admits to all of these things which frustrates me more especially when I have nothing to wear for work as it's all been ripped even underwear etc. So yes sometimes I raise my voice- but everything I say he twists and turns. I told him that him ripping my last outfit was nasty behaviour and he wasn't being a nice boy, he turned that in to telling his dad I said I wish he wasn't born and I don't want him over Xmas.... like what the hell can I do!!!???? I have a younger child in this mix who is scared and apologises every time he sneezes I'm worried about his future too. I am hurt that his school and his dad don't seem to believe me (why on earth would I lie about any of this!!??) And now want this meeting... I'm wondering what it could be about and what I'll be accused of next. I am just trying to work and support my kids and I not even allowed to do that. Any insight advice words etc, please.

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HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 22:24

Cyb3rg4l · 21/12/2024 22:18

No, I would say that they have a right not to be exposed to risk of physical harm, the trauma of seeing their mother physically and verbally abused and never knowing which of their belongings will be destroyed next. I am confused why you think their physical and psychological safety is less important than that of their ASD sibling. Whether intentional or unintentional this behaviour will have a lasting impact and parents have a duty of care to all of their children. I say this as someone who is physically disabled and is a parent to a child with ADHD and ASD challenging behaviours with an NT younger sibling.

Having disabled children and being disabled yourself is an example of now life can be bloody unfair. But rejecting a child whose disability makes them difficult to live with, rather than seeking the help and support they need isn't the answer.

The OP has asked for advice on how to challenge school's view that this is related to her parenting and how to secure support for her family.

For posters to randomly suggest she send her DS to live elsewhere or go into care is unbelievably cruel.

Cyb3rg4l · 21/12/2024 22:18

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:18

This is a really ill informed post.
Would you say that the siblings if a physically disabled child should be able to live in peace without the clutter of wheelchairs and hoists?
I'm not trying to be rude but you are commenting on something that you really don't understand.

No, I would say that they have a right not to be exposed to risk of physical harm, the trauma of seeing their mother physically and verbally abused and never knowing which of their belongings will be destroyed next. I am confused why you think their physical and psychological safety is less important than that of their ASD sibling. Whether intentional or unintentional this behaviour will have a lasting impact and parents have a duty of care to all of their children. I say this as someone who is physically disabled and is a parent to a child with ADHD and ASD challenging behaviours with an NT younger sibling.

NameChangeForThisThread4 · 21/12/2024 22:03

Self refer to social work/early help in your area, as a matter of urgency.

Lunedimiel · 21/12/2024 21:59

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 21:20

I'm saying that what the OP is describing is not 'misbehaving'. He will not be able to just choose to regulate himself and control his impulses in that moment. Dysregulation is a complex state involving brain function and the central nervous system.
I'm going to step back from your comments because after 20 years working in this field (both research and practitioner worl with children and families) and as a mum of 3 autistic children what I am saying is based on extensive, evidence based, peer reviewed research and practice. I don't really know how to respond to someone who disagrees based on assumptions...

I have had successful outcomes with many children and their families and it was never as a result of punishment or labelling them as naughty.

Thanks you @HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou. It's important people understand this.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 21:46

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 21:41

I agree with what you say. I just disagreed with the point about behaviour.

Which point
Sorry missed your last post

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 21:45

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 21:32

I would appreciate any advice you have for me, I'm at a loss.

It depends what support is available in your area, but a typical TAF intervention in my LA might look like:
Young carers referral for sibling )as impacted even if not giving care) and explore what nurture support school can provide.
Camhs referral for anger management
Specialist teachers who can do a programme of emotional literacy work, PBS (positive behaviour support) practitioners
Ed psych referral to understand his presentation more.
Paediatrics referral if suspicion of ADHD
Parent sessions (not suggesting your parenting is lacking, but to learn specific techniques for managing ND behaviours)
Carers assessment from social care to look at the impact on you and siblings
Pressure from social care to school to explore if needs are being met and if that is impacting presentation at home)
Does he have an EHCP? If it appears that unmet needs at school are impacting his presentation you may need support from social care to push for this
I would also contact your local SENDIASS service for advocacy and support if school are trying to batt it all back to you.
In my LA the early help /TAF team will also do targeted family support sessions.
If you meet the threshold, they could make a social care referral for a 'child with disability' social worker (nothing to do with child protection or safeguarding). This is usually a prerequisite to getting any sort of respite support.

Your key supporters at this point should be the TAF coordinator and the SENDIASS advisor.

I hope things get better for you xxx

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 21:42

Or should I say misbehaving but now you have worded it like that I understand.

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 21:41

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 21:20

I'm saying that what the OP is describing is not 'misbehaving'. He will not be able to just choose to regulate himself and control his impulses in that moment. Dysregulation is a complex state involving brain function and the central nervous system.
I'm going to step back from your comments because after 20 years working in this field (both research and practitioner worl with children and families) and as a mum of 3 autistic children what I am saying is based on extensive, evidence based, peer reviewed research and practice. I don't really know how to respond to someone who disagrees based on assumptions...

I have had successful outcomes with many children and their families and it was never as a result of punishment or labelling them as naughty.

I agree with what you say. I just disagreed with the point about behaviour.

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 21:32

I would appreciate any advice you have for me, I'm at a loss.

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HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 21:20

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 21:14

Are you saying children on the spectrum can't misbehave? Of course they can!

I'm saying that what the OP is describing is not 'misbehaving'. He will not be able to just choose to regulate himself and control his impulses in that moment. Dysregulation is a complex state involving brain function and the central nervous system.
I'm going to step back from your comments because after 20 years working in this field (both research and practitioner worl with children and families) and as a mum of 3 autistic children what I am saying is based on extensive, evidence based, peer reviewed research and practice. I don't really know how to respond to someone who disagrees based on assumptions...

I have had successful outcomes with many children and their families and it was never as a result of punishment or labelling them as naughty.

Oioisavaloy27 · 21/12/2024 21:14

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:18

This is a really ill informed post.
Would you say that the siblings if a physically disabled child should be able to live in peace without the clutter of wheelchairs and hoists?
I'm not trying to be rude but you are commenting on something that you really don't understand.

Are you saying children on the spectrum can't misbehave? Of course they can!

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 20:49

YouZirName · 21/12/2024 20:45

Just like he's damaging the youngest child irreparably?

Maybe some time out of the house would each him to behave better.

Honestly, I know what you are saying seems logical to you. If you read up on attachment theory, PDA and autism you will realise it would not help things all.
It would traumatise the disabled child. Traumatised mum with the guilt of sending her child away. The youngest child would live with the guilt the siblings was sent away for their benefit.
Honestly it would just cause trauma all round.
Professional support and intervention in a planned and person centred way is needed.

YouZirName · 21/12/2024 20:45

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:22

What a ridiculous post.
There are no magic wand answers for families whose children have complex needs.
The LA won't take him into care if he has a safe and loving home.
And it would damage him irreparably.

Just like he's damaging the youngest child irreparably?

Maybe some time out of the house would each him to behave better.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 20:35

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:30

I didn't and to be honest I wouldn't of noticed if any one had sometimes, this is such a bizarre situation to most I have to accept sometimes that they may judge. ... sadly it's my life

I think that is what is hard for people to understand. I have 3 kids with ASD who have all been through extremely challenging phases behaviour wise and it was awful. It's bad enough without stigma and judgement.

What actually was a turning point for my youngest who has the most complex needs was moving to a special school for year 7. He's a changed child. But I really had to fight for it.
I genuinely believe all the anger was the distress of having to cope with school/life/dads (I'm also divorced from far, and he also doesn't see these behaviour during his limited Disney dad time)

Life as a SEND parent can just be shit at times Flowers

x2boys · 21/12/2024 20:31

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:20

Just to clarify neither of my children are golden lol I haven't said I don't want him just don't want him to hurt everyone and their belongings anymore.

It's really like shit for parents in your position with a child in mainstream a team around the family meeting can only offer so much your entitled to have your child's needs assessed you might possibly be offered parenting course ,s such as Triple p and may be direct payments for a few hours a week. People suggesting residential school are completely out of touch with reality unfortunately

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:30

I didn't and to be honest I wouldn't of noticed if any one had sometimes, this is such a bizarre situation to most I have to accept sometimes that they may judge. ... sadly it's my life

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HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 20:28

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:20

Just to clarify neither of my children are golden lol I haven't said I don't want him just don't want him to hurt everyone and their belongings anymore.

I know you weren't, I was responding to the previous poster who suggested you should put the child with a disability in care for the benefit of the sibling.

You are absolutely entitled to want some peace and respite from his behaviours/presentation.

I hope you didn't think I was criticizing you.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 20:26

soupfiend · 21/12/2024 20:01

That is a ridiculous comparison, hoists and wheelchairs in the house and hallway dont cause significant emotional or physical harm or cause the house to have criminal damage to it

In both cases it is the impact of one child's disability on siblings. It is well known to have a negative impact and instead of vilifying the child with the disability seeking support for the family is appropriate.

The fact that you can accept a problem is beyond a child's control due to a physical disability but not a neuro diverse one, is typical of the ableist attitudes that families with ND disabilities face.

Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:20

Just to clarify neither of my children are golden lol I haven't said I don't want him just don't want him to hurt everyone and their belongings anymore.

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Smith212 · 21/12/2024 20:18

I've had many a taf meeting never refused one

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soupfiend · 21/12/2024 20:01

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:18

This is a really ill informed post.
Would you say that the siblings if a physically disabled child should be able to live in peace without the clutter of wheelchairs and hoists?
I'm not trying to be rude but you are commenting on something that you really don't understand.

That is a ridiculous comparison, hoists and wheelchairs in the house and hallway dont cause significant emotional or physical harm or cause the house to have criminal damage to it

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:27

ChristmasinBrighton · 21/12/2024 11:01

Probably an unpopular opinion but I agree.

"problem child".
What a lovely way to describe a child who is struggling with his disability.

If a parent in any other scenario on here suggested not wanting their child to live with them to make it better for the golden child, they would rightly be handed their arse.

However people talk about disabled children as though the are disposable.

If he is struggling emotionally now, just what do you think the rejection of his one safe person, mum, would do?

It's just an awful attitude.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:24

x2boys · 21/12/2024 11:19

Like where ???
I have a severely autistic son I now get two over nights respite a month he's 14 and it's taken ten years to get overnight respite.

Honestly the ignorance of some posters on here is ridiculous.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:22

EuclidianGeometryFan · 21/12/2024 10:23

As suggested up thread, get locks on doors, fridge and cupboards etc.

Otherwise, put your younger DC first and ask for the eldest to be taken into care.

What a ridiculous post.
There are no magic wand answers for families whose children have complex needs.
The LA won't take him into care if he has a safe and loving home.
And it would damage him irreparably.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 21/12/2024 19:20

Bollihobs · 21/12/2024 10:17

But the OP has stated that the behaviour is "only at home and towards me" that's from her not the school.

That's a very typical presentation do for an autistic child.

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