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To think going to Lapland is more likely to make kids stop believing?

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growlum · 20/12/2024 00:49

Sister is in Lapland with niece and nephew.
They are 6 and 7.
I think there is a strong possibility they will come home no longer believing in Father Christmas, because the magic will have gone.
As a child, if somebody told me I was going to Lapland to see father Christmas, I would most definitely have been looking forward to seeing flying reindeer, tiny little elves and an incredible magic workshop like in all the Christmas movies.

There is no way my expectations would be met, and once I had visited lapland to find a distinct lack of observable magic, and rather a lot of gift shops, I think that would be the end of it for me.

AIBU to feel worried and a bit sad that this may be the end of my niece and nephew’s belief in Santa?

OP posts:
Gogogo12345 · 20/12/2024 08:14

Petrasings · 20/12/2024 07:42

What a miserable thing to do! Lapland is utterly mesmerising in a way Morocco will never be! Morocco isn’t a great place for children. It is chaotic and dirty.
Why on earth would you need to take them all the way there to teach them there are other religions?! I assume you have explained that already as a parent, and also the school often cover different religious festivals 🤷‍♀️

Edited

Are you assuming the poster you are replying to is even Christian?

Gem359 · 20/12/2024 08:11

Beenaboutabit · 20/12/2024 01:34

Taking mine to Morocco to show them that Christmas is only something that some people do in some countries.

Couldn't you just tell them that? Why would you need to show them? Morocco is fantastic but you sound pretty miserable tbh. Do they want to be shown that Christmas is only something that some people do in some countries?

Lots of foreigners and some local Christians live in Morocco anyway so in the big cities especially in malls and the newer areas there are likely to be signs of Christmas.

10storeylovesong · 20/12/2024 08:09

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ANEC · 20/12/2024 08:07

Itsallthelittlethings · 20/12/2024 00:58

Lapland is so magical though! We went last year with my ten year old who was just on the cusp of non believing. We 100% got another year of believing out of the trip. I can't explain it but it is amazing over there.

We did the same when our daughter had heard a rumour Father Christmas wasn’t real. Gave us another few years and encouraged her friends to still believe.

smoosmedd · 20/12/2024 08:06

OrwellianTimes · 20/12/2024 01:36

You’re overthinking this whole belief in something that’s totally made up.

Kids learn the truth, and if it’s never been over-egged to them they’ll adapt fine.

I always assumed a trip to Lapland would be magical for the whole snow everywhere experience.

Couldn't agree more re the over-egging

NorthernGirl1981 · 20/12/2024 08:05

Parsley1234 · 20/12/2024 07:59

It’s amazing totally wonderful magical my sons father and son still say best trip ever and we only went for the day

Sometimes I find it quite depressing that at the age of 40 I’ve already had the most amazing experience I will ever have 🤣 Nothing will ever top-it and I feel like it’s all downhill from here 🤣

UndeniablyGenX · 20/12/2024 08:00

I tend to think the more tangible you make something that is supposed to be magical, the more likely people are to spot flaws in it and start questioning it.

The trouble with holidays is that things can go wrong!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llqq41wo

Wayne O'Neil and his son Finn sitting on a snowmobile with Lisa O'Neil standing next to them. They are all wearing snow suits and woolly hats, but there is no snow on the ground around them. There is a lake in the background.

'No snow' Lapland holiday refund row for Cumbrian family

Tui should have rescheduled the trip based on weather forecasts, the O'Neil family says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llqq41wo

Parsley1234 · 20/12/2024 07:59

It’s amazing totally wonderful magical my sons father and son still say best trip ever and we only went for the day

desperatedaysareover · 20/12/2024 07:57

Theredjellybean · 20/12/2024 06:40

We took DD aged 9 on cusp of not believing... definitely got a few more yrs out of it.
She is now 27 and says seeing Santa holding the letter she had written and posted in our village postbox ( they gave us two envelopes..and by sleight of hand you post childs letter back to travel company and fake one to Lapland) was so kind blowing to her younger self ...she believed

I started reading this thread feeling a bit sceptical over whether there is any actual point to ‘extending’ a child’s belief, but when I read about the effect of the letter swap (clever) I had a very powerful flashback to when I believed. I admire the commitment to the bit😂 I didn’t feel
sad when I sussed Santa was hooey - but I feel a bit sad now lol. We need a support group lol

HocusFord · 20/12/2024 07:56

I’ve never been so honestly I don’t know but I do think that a lot of the commercialism that had sprung up around ‘the Santa experience’ these days is more likely to impede belief than enhance it.

Santa in my childhood was always magical as an act of wonder and imagination, not because I had been taken to a realistic looking Santa village and met an actor in a suit.

NorthernGirl1981 · 20/12/2024 07:49

We took our children to Lapland when they were 5 and 8 and it was incredibly magical.

They still believed in the concept of Santa, if not more so, but they also know that the ‘Santas’ you can visit in England aren’t the real one which is great because now they no longer ask to go and see him!

YouZirName · 20/12/2024 07:48

Petrasings · 20/12/2024 07:42

What a miserable thing to do! Lapland is utterly mesmerising in a way Morocco will never be! Morocco isn’t a great place for children. It is chaotic and dirty.
Why on earth would you need to take them all the way there to teach them there are other religions?! I assume you have explained that already as a parent, and also the school often cover different religious festivals 🤷‍♀️

Edited

What a weird response... Nothing wrong with exposing children to a different culture

oakleaffy · 20/12/2024 07:47

Aposterhasnoname · 20/12/2024 05:43

It’s incredibly magical, hell, it almost had me believing. Besides, everyone knows reindeers only fly on Christmas Eve, and the toy workshop is invisible to humans..

I think back when toys were wooden, it was so believable to have an army of Elves chiselling away.
In reality, it was skilled artisans- the 1800's was probably the best era for toys- {for the wealthy at least!}

To think going to Lapland is more likely to make kids stop believing?
Petrasings · 20/12/2024 07:42

Beenaboutabit · 20/12/2024 01:34

Taking mine to Morocco to show them that Christmas is only something that some people do in some countries.

What a miserable thing to do! Lapland is utterly mesmerising in a way Morocco will never be! Morocco isn’t a great place for children. It is chaotic and dirty.
Why on earth would you need to take them all the way there to teach them there are other religions?! I assume you have explained that already as a parent, and also the school often cover different religious festivals 🤷‍♀️

PrincessPeache · 20/12/2024 07:42

YABU it is the most magical place on earth!

Petrasings · 20/12/2024 07:38

It’s the most magical place on earth op, they are very unlikely to care about flying elves!

EasterIssland · 20/12/2024 07:26

LlynTegid · 20/12/2024 07:19

I don't feel sad if a six or seven year old does not believe in Father Christmas any more. I'd hope they would not spoil it for younger siblings.

Lapland visits seem expensive trips, though better than some of the things that have crept in for some in recent years. Christmas Eve boxes, elf on the shelf for example.

I spent around 3k for 3 people last year we did reindeers huskies and visit to the Santa factory. Expensive for 4 days. But then elves , Xmas eve boxes are not part of my tradition so I don’t do them. Not saying it’s the same price but if I’ve to choose something magical I prefer Lapland

itsgettingweird · 20/12/2024 07:25

I went to Lapland 14 years ago for the day trip.

It really is magical.

Don't think it really matters about kids believing or not. You get to go on. Reindeer driven sleighs and stand either side of the artic circle.

LBFseBrom · 20/12/2024 07:25

Why are you worried about it? They are at the age when most kids have worked out the truth of the Santa myth. It doesn't stop them enjoying Christmas.

So many Mumsnet posts reinforce my belief that Father Christmas, sleighs and elves stories mean more to the adults than the kids.

EasterIssland · 20/12/2024 07:24

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 20/12/2024 07:20

Are posters confusing a holiday to Lapland in the Nordics with the Lapland UK experience? I assumed OP is talking about the Lapland UK thing with fake snow. Obviously Lapland in nordics with actual snow and reindeer etc would be magical!

I assume Lapland - Finland

MadmansLibrary · 20/12/2024 07:20

Bibi222 · 20/12/2024 07:07

You sound jealous that your sister is able to give your niece and nephew this magical experience OP.
Masking it as concerns, isn't cutting it.

Do you have children who are not going to have this experience?

This was exactly the vibe I got from this post. Faux concern. FWIW I'd love to take DD and will save towards it: I'm envious of others going but not jealous.

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 20/12/2024 07:20

Are posters confusing a holiday to Lapland in the Nordics with the Lapland UK experience? I assumed OP is talking about the Lapland UK thing with fake snow. Obviously Lapland in nordics with actual snow and reindeer etc would be magical!

LlynTegid · 20/12/2024 07:19

I don't feel sad if a six or seven year old does not believe in Father Christmas any more. I'd hope they would not spoil it for younger siblings.

Lapland visits seem expensive trips, though better than some of the things that have crept in for some in recent years. Christmas Eve boxes, elf on the shelf for example.

Christmassprinkles123 · 20/12/2024 07:18

Fruitbatdancer · 20/12/2024 06:15

Completly wrong! Took DS aged 6, now 10, he’s on the cusp but we got a good extra couple of years believing out of it. It was completly magical. A reindeer met us from the plane! Dog sleds, reindeer rides, snow ball fight's with elves, iglu’s, campfires in the snow, 6 ft of snow!
in the last 4 years we see other santas, but ‘I know there just helpers mum as we saw the real one’

That's exactly what my 8 year old says. "I know they aren't the real one because we saw the real one in lapland"
Yabu it's a magical place that is hard to describe to someone who hasn't been

TaggieO · 20/12/2024 07:17

I find it more fascinating that they can see Santa every year or sometimes more than once a year and never wonder how a. He looks and sounds different each time and b. Doesn’t remember them when he sees them at school despite seeing them at the local garden centre 2 days before etc