Ageism,ignorance, intolerance. class bias on mumsnet re Waspi women

Well, as my late husband used to say, they'll be old themselves some day if they're lucky.

I'm 64. I voted Remain, for what that's worth. The majority of people in Scotland did.

Of course there was an assumption 🙄

I don't think younger people understand how open the sexism used to be. I started work straight from school in a factory. All the boys were automatically given higher paid work and the girls lower paid work. You did not apply for a particular post, just to work in the factory, and they decided what post they would offer you. Unemployment was incredibly high, so we took what work we would get.
I did many jobs where there were no employers contributions to pensions. So any pension consisted of only my contributions.
There was ni help with childcare costs at all.

I think like all debates some take extreme views, 68 year old remain WASPI here.I do think we all have a responsibility to educate ourselves about tax and pensions and there were endless readable articles about the changes ,in the press over the years. A lot of women I know could not be bothered to keep informed or left it to a husband. Many of the poorest women of my age are those who depended on a man and lost out big style in divorce. We have to be as self focused on our financial interests as most men are.

If over 90 per cent knew, compensation for all, is a luxury too far. I never expected any. However the women at the bottom of the financial heap, who really suffered , should be helped. Perhaps those on pension credit should be helped more and the rest of us not? I personally do not feel due to anything and would have passed it on to younger family. I appreciate I am fortunate. There has to be a balance

I am a woman who has been on a low income all her life. I will not get pension credit as I also saved.

Bully for her

I dunno.

I felt so depressed by the end of today.

As a feminist since 14 I have leant support to so many battles, seen so many good progressive changes.

And yet the seething contempt for women as a sex seems stronger than ever (the treatment of Gisèle Pelicot being only one example. The pathetic sentences most of their unrepentant rapists got, the fact that so many who lived locally could so easily be recruited as rapists). This year we have seen women robbed of sporting medals and physically endangered because gender trumps (tramples) class. Andrew Tate made himself a fortune from his followers lapping misogyny.

Women need to stick together.

That is a fair question and discussion.
And most women (and men) my age are deeply concerned about their children and grandchildren’s futures.

What isn’t disappointing is the vitriol that is spewed , and the divisiveness that people have fallen for.

Like the first comment on this thread.

The poster asked a question. There wasn't an assumption. Almost half of the WASPIs would have voted remain.

So angry with the presumption that because Im over 60 I must have voted to leave the EU. For those who make these ageist assumptions, just don't, it paints you in a very ignorant light.

In 1975, when most of us "boomers" were in our late teens, early 20s, the referendum vote was 67.23% in favour of the EEC, which became the EU. I didn't change my mind about staying in, and neither did anyone I know of my age. However, of those I know, the ones that voted out were those 10 to 20 years younger than myself, ie young adults in the 1980s.
The UK was desperate to join. We had to wait for the president of France to snuff it. Britain first began talks to join the EEC in July 1961. The UK's applications to join in 1963 and 1967 were vetoed by the President of France, Charles de Gaulle.

Absolutely.Some posters should be bloody ashamed of their comments!

I am in much the same boat and would you believe it? I voted Remain. And I am a life long Labour voter. And I spent my teens to my 30s actively campaigning for women’s rights and the equal pay etc that younger women rightfully benefit from.

Does that entitle me to an opinion, in your view?

Actually I have only a tiny private pension because I always worked in the charity sector, and before it was compulsory (I.e the majority of my working life) we got no employer’s contribution at all.

The gender pay gap was still huge for most of my working life, schools didn’t used to have nurseries , no free childcare hours.

I did know about the changes to the pension, but women as a class were less able to catch up then

But this thread is about the contempt and vitriol sloshed around MN for older people and especially older women.

Oh well glad to hear that..the lovely people I work with who have worked 12 hour shifts at least 48 hours a week will be able to claim pension credits! Not sure about savings,the people I work with, literally work one month to pay next month’s bills .

But the simpletons assume everyone over 60 voted to leave, bless!

It's entirely relevant. Solidarity has to work both ways. Sell younger women's futures you can complain when they sell yours.

I agree with everything the OP said. I am 65 and I voted remain, as if it’s relevant!

Your post is a great reason to increase pension credits, or minimums. But it's not a good reason to give 1-3K to a lot of people who knew, and can afford it. 10 billion quid FFS.

But poorer older women should be assisted. This is a terrible way to do it.

And which horse did you back in the Grand National? Just as relevant as this idiotic spew.

Horrible isn't it.

There are a lot of people who agree with the decision not to award compensation and have been vocal about it on MN. It doesnt make them ageist, etc...

There seem to be some very embittered people out there these days, everyone is a target and everyone else is to blame. Women need to support each other not be constantly having a go.