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AIBU to feel sorry for the 100 dogs a month destroyed since the XL Bully ban

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Locutus2000 · 19/12/2024 12:04

I hate the whole XL Bully thing, they are a travesty against nature and the primary market appears to be antisocial idiots (not all owners obviously).

But I also love animals, especially dogs, and to hear the police are destroying an average of one hundred banned breeds a month is upsetting. They are still (arguably) sentient beings who experience pain and fear, many will have been mistreated. They didn't ask for some dickhead to fuck with their genes and make them potential monsters.

I'm quite happy for the breeds to be eliminated. I still feel sorry for the innocent dogs losing their lives whilst the breeders and owners usually seem to walk away without consequence.

AIBU to feel this way?

An XL bully dog, with pale gold fur and a patch of darker gold fur over his left eye, wearing a thick brown leather collar, staring directly at the camera

XL bully victim calls ban ‘useless’ as 100 dogs a month destroyed

Cost of kennelling seized dogs soars and in many areas attacks continue to rise, forces tell the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge9nrrvlygo

OP posts:
XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:29

WinterBones · 19/12/2024 14:23

behavioural euthanasia is a recognised part of veterinary care, so while it's awful they are aware its part of their job. seized XL bullies are BE cases.

People have had to surrender their dogs to be PTS simply because they didn't have the right paperwork.

Pitbull types have been seized and PTS for years, simply because of their measurements, and nothing to do with their behaviour.
There was a documentary years back about dangerous dogs, and there was a female dog that was seized for looking like a pitbull. The staff at the centre loved her... she was very sweet and playful, and passed every test they did about her reactions and behaviour. It was her measurements that meant she needed to be registered, muzzled etc. Her owner refused, so she was PTS. The staff were very upset, but that was the law.

WinterBones · 19/12/2024 14:28

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:25

Hypocrites can, I agree.

There is nothing hypocritical about it. the killing of an animal that is bred purely for food is necessary, it does not equate to the BE of a pet.

To try and equate the two is a strawman arguement.

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:25

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:23

People can hold two views at once about something.

Hypocrites can, I agree.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:23

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:18

Vets know PTS is part and parcel of the role. Don't be obtuse.

You didn't answer the question about whether you eat meat, and feed meat to your dog. Will assume you do. There is no difference in morality between killing dogs and killing farmed animals. I will save my sorrow for those strung up and circulating on the abattoir machinery, rather than bull breed beasts who kill humans.

People can hold two views at once about something.

WinterBones · 19/12/2024 14:23

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:14

People go into abattoir work knowing full well what it entails. Their sole role is the slaughter. There is also footage out there of workers abusing the animals.

Vets do the opposite... they keep animals healthy and alive. Vets know they have to put animals to sleep, but in the vast majority of those cases it is because the animal is poorly and it is the best thing. Having a happy and healthy dog come in to be PTS must be hard for the staff.

behavioural euthanasia is a recognised part of veterinary care, so while it's awful they are aware its part of their job. seized XL bullies are BE cases.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 19/12/2024 14:22

I feel sorry for them, too.

They are just animals. They can't help what humans have turned them into.

But. Safety first, and even though it's not their fault that any of them could turn at some point and kill, they have to be put down.

DarkAndTwisties · 19/12/2024 14:20

No, I'd have them all put down tbh.

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:20

Waterboatlass · 19/12/2024 13:27

I think it's sad that individual animals have been bred only to be put down too, it's a situation which should never have happened. Idiot breeders and idiot owners with facile arguments about 'there are only bad owners'.

Are you vegan? Because if not, I have news for you - animals are bred to be put down, every day, for meat eating humans. Now that you can do something about! Will you?

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:18

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:14

People go into abattoir work knowing full well what it entails. Their sole role is the slaughter. There is also footage out there of workers abusing the animals.

Vets do the opposite... they keep animals healthy and alive. Vets know they have to put animals to sleep, but in the vast majority of those cases it is because the animal is poorly and it is the best thing. Having a happy and healthy dog come in to be PTS must be hard for the staff.

Vets know PTS is part and parcel of the role. Don't be obtuse.

You didn't answer the question about whether you eat meat, and feed meat to your dog. Will assume you do. There is no difference in morality between killing dogs and killing farmed animals. I will save my sorrow for those strung up and circulating on the abattoir machinery, rather than bull breed beasts who kill humans.

LakieLady · 19/12/2024 14:18

YANBU, it's not the poor bloody dogs' fault, but the idiots who bred them and the even bigger idiots who want the dogs and create the demand for them.

Resilienceisimportant · 19/12/2024 14:17

user23124 · 19/12/2024 12:10

I will add that rats are highly intelligent sentient creatures and we kill literally billions a year - does this also cause heartache?

That’s a good point and also some people keep rats as pets too.

Jozephine · 19/12/2024 14:16

Animals don’t know it’s their last day alive when they are pts. They live in the now, not the past or future. I think a lot of animals are kept alive when it would be kinder for them to be pts. I’m thinking of horse sanctuaries with very elderly horses who have multiple health conditions, can barely eat, are in constant pain and are kept going.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 14:14

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:07

Same emotional toll as abattoir workers - do you feed your dog meat, are you contributing the the meat industry, and therefore the emotional toll on those abattoir workers is on you (and most dog "lovers").

People go into abattoir work knowing full well what it entails. Their sole role is the slaughter. There is also footage out there of workers abusing the animals.

Vets do the opposite... they keep animals healthy and alive. Vets know they have to put animals to sleep, but in the vast majority of those cases it is because the animal is poorly and it is the best thing. Having a happy and healthy dog come in to be PTS must be hard for the staff.

LlynTegid · 19/12/2024 14:13

I feel for the vets indeed any instance where they are having to end an animal's life.

My sadness is that the ban has not been accompanied by a very simple law change- if your dog (or other pet) harms someone, it should be as if you harmed them yourself. Manslaughter charges if death happens.

Mrsbloggz · 19/12/2024 14:11

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:07

Same emotional toll as abattoir workers - do you feed your dog meat, are you contributing the the meat industry, and therefore the emotional toll on those abattoir workers is on you (and most dog "lovers").

Well said 👏🏻
If you own a dog or other carnivorous pet you are part of the big meat ponzi scheme.
I speak as a vegetarian, although not for moral reasons, more that the idea of eating flesh revolts me.

MrsToothyBitch · 19/12/2024 14:09

I don't feel particularly sad about it, no. The bottom line is that they're dangerous. It's simply risk management and is a humane ending vs what a lot of animals go through around the world.

ueberlin2030 · 19/12/2024 14:08

No reason to feel sorry for them if they're euthanized humanely. It also costs money to house them indefinitely.

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:07

XenoBitch · 19/12/2024 13:15

I feel sad too.
A dog being shot by police after it has attacked is different to a happy and healthy one being taken to the vets to be PTS just on account on the type of dog it is. It must take an emotional toll on the staff.

I remember a post on here by a vet nurse who said an XL bully was brought in to be PTS. The owner was homeless, as due to lack of address, could not get a exemption for his dog. He was distraught at having have his dog destroyed.

Same emotional toll as abattoir workers - do you feed your dog meat, are you contributing the the meat industry, and therefore the emotional toll on those abattoir workers is on you (and most dog "lovers").

CyranoDeBergerQuack · 19/12/2024 14:05

Shame they don't put down the idiot owners

CoIIection · 19/12/2024 14:04

Cull 'em all, asap. Vile abominations. I feel sorry for the cows, sheep, pigs, chickens etc that are slaughtered in barbaric conditions with zero thought, yet they are not the beasts going round mauling and maiming people. These dogs will get an injection, and be none the wiser about what is happening.

StellaAndCrow · 19/12/2024 14:01

I feel for the people e.g. working in rescues and vets, who have to be involved in putting them down. I guess for the dogs, they don't know what's happening, but the people do - it must be heartbreaking for them.

Nogaxeh · 19/12/2024 13:36

I don't think you're unreasonable, but sometimes you have to do things that you then feel sad about.

I would agree that there should be consequences for the people who created these dogs so that it's less likely we have to do something like this again in the future.

ladycardamom · 19/12/2024 13:29

I feel really sad about it, too. Those poor dogs and the poor vets have to euthanaise all those perfectly healthy dogs. What must it be doing to their mental health? I do agree with the ban, though, but it's the dogs and vets that suffer.

Uricon2 · 19/12/2024 13:28

The risks with these dogs is just too high and the "breed" needs to die out. They can't be rehomed and a life in kennels is actually more cruel to them than PTS humanely.

Waterboatlass · 19/12/2024 13:27

I think it's sad that individual animals have been bred only to be put down too, it's a situation which should never have happened. Idiot breeders and idiot owners with facile arguments about 'there are only bad owners'.

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