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Is husband expecting too much 4 months PP or AIBU

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LaurenOX · 19/12/2024 10:59

Gave birth to our second son 4 weeks ago via c section. First son has just turned 4. Husband is back in work (wfh 1 day a week).

Last night husband took off on me for the house being “untidy”. To give context, husband hates clutter and his definition of untidy is things being left around the house (shoes by the door, parcels being left on the island, a chopping board in the sink and eldest son’s toys left out). Despite the clutter, the bathrooms had been cleaned and the floors hoovered/mopped and a duster had been thrown around. A wash load had been dried and put away with another wash just finished. I explained that the only time I had to do any housework was 2 hours in the afternoon due to taking my son to a play group he attends weekly and having to get the bus due to not being able to drive. Husband still accused me of not doing enough around the house.

I am EBF and son feeds every 2-3 hours all day/night. Of an evening he cluster feeds from about 8 until 12. Husband has been sleeping in with my eldest son who can still wake in the night but certainly not to the extent of our newborn. He may wake 1 or 2 times and will fall straight back asleep after some reassurance. Husband has taken on responsibilities for eldest son, he does bath time of an evening and gets him ready of a morning for pre-school (jobs which I used to do before baby’s arrival) I told my husband I appreciate he is doing more, but I am exhausted I have a baby on my boob constantly and he is being unreasonable to expect any more from me this early on. He suggested that I’m never too exhausted to do any of the fun things (I went the Christmas market with my son and my friend and her son one afternoon this week). We went to bed on an argument and this morning the last thing he said before leaving for work was “have a productive day”.

So question is, is he being an inconsiderate A* AIBU to think he is being wholly unreasonable?

OP posts:
Havinganamechange · 20/12/2024 20:36

I feel the need to batter the shit out of your husband, fucking ridiculous man! Totally unreasonable!

MummyJ36 · 20/12/2024 20:33

If it means that much to him then he needs to do it. End of story.

You sound like you really want to defend him OP and Lord knows why. You have had MAJOR abdominal surgery and you’re looking after two children (or three if you include him). It is not your fault if he doesn’t feel
bonded with the baby. It is not your fault if he wants to keep the house up to hotel standards. You deserve to be looked after by HIM during this time.

Honestly why is the bar set so low for men!!!

Floralsofa · 20/12/2024 20:25

I'm an obsessive cleaner/tidier and even I think he is being an arse.

PC7102 · 20/12/2024 20:25

Wow I seriously can’t believe your husband.
after I had a c section I did nothing around the house for at least 6 weeks and I definitely didn’t clean loads after that either as looking after a newborn (and breastfeeding) takes up
so much time!
also it’s more important for you to be getting out of the house/socialising/resting than cleaning right now

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 20/12/2024 20:23

Here we go. OP: "My husband is being a bit of a twat" - MN replies "yes, yes he is" - OP - "he's a great dad/lovely man etc etc" rinse and repeat.

Any man who behaves like this at any time let alone 4 weeks PP is a dickhead. Just call him out for what he is, none of this oh he's tired poor dear lamb. FFS.

Whatinthedoopla · 20/12/2024 20:12

You have done so much housework! Well done on you! However...it only gets harder as your littlest gets older. Looking after two is HARD if you are expected to clean the house too.

I'd say it's domestic abuse from his part

OhcantthInkofaname · 20/12/2024 19:49

At four weeks PP you should be doing about 1/2 that. You have been through the equivalent of major surgery.
I suggest if he wants things done -- He does them. A protective day at this stage would include at least 2 naps.

whathaveiforgotten · 20/12/2024 19:37

If my partner had said to me four weeks after my c section "have a productive day" then despite being in my 30s I would have called my mum and told her my baby and I needed to come and stay with her for a while so I could rest and recover and take care of my little one in a healthy and loving environment.

What a complete and utter bastard he is OP. Flowers

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/12/2024 19:32

WEEKS!!

It was bad enough when I thought it was months.

He is an abusive shitbag as others have said.

Saying “have a productive day” to your 4 weeks pp wife is disgusting. “Hope you get some rest today” is more appropriate.

Mumof2heroes · 20/12/2024 19:27

When I had my kids 150 years ago the health visitor ran her finger through the dust on my tv and said that's good...I'd rather you bonded with your baby and recovered from childbirth than spend time cleaning! He's being utterly unreasonable and I honestly think you should show him the replies on here. How dare he...when did he last have major surgery and then not skip a beat to look after a toddler, bf baby and a house???
How fucking dare he...I'm honestly fuming for you op. Don't let him bully you, now is the time to push back 💐

laraitopbanana · 20/12/2024 19:11

Hi op,

I literally stopped reading when you said that you gave birth 4 weeks ago and your dh had a go coz the house isn’t pristine.

i have no idea what you said after because no, no & no. There is absolutely nothing that can make him right. Never. Ever.

I am sorry op. Honestly, if he is so out of by it either he does it, or he HIRES someone to do it?? Having babies with you does NOT make you his maid 🤷🏼‍♀️

Nikki75 · 20/12/2024 19:03

I can't type on here what I would say if a man spoke to me that way..
Have a productive day.. he should be supporting you in a loving caring way you a little child and a baby ..
Tell him straight to get some understanding and respect or else .
Your not the cleaner cook bottle washer you are allowed to se your friends and leave a few things lying around.
Tell him to loosen up I'm fuming for you x

starlight889 · 20/12/2024 18:20

He is being an absolute c*nt!!

Not only did you give birth only 4 weeks ago but it was a c-section too!!! That is major surgery you need to recover from. You’re already doing waaaaay more than I did at 4 weeks pp and I had an easy vaginal birth.

I remember hoovering 10 days after birth (felt absolutely fine and was recovering well) just as the midwife turned up and she gave me an earful🤣

Honestly I would do the bare minimum and let yourself relax and if your husband is so concerned by any other “mess” he’s got a pair of hands he can use to tidy it up.

NotSmallButFunSize · 20/12/2024 18:07

Oh just tell him to fuck off - I wouldn't even entertain listening to that bullshit

JJMama · 20/12/2024 18:04

Yet another post about a man who doesn’t seem to want to be a parent. Why on Earth are you even asking who’s being unreasonable - it’s clearly him. You’re doing way more housework than most people who’ve just given birth!

Your priority is your children; if he wants a spotless house he should hire a cleaner, do it himself, or frankly, shouldn’t have had children. They come with all sorts of messes, so he’s in for a shock. Nip it in the bud now and get rid.

MarvellousMonsters · 20/12/2024 17:55

LaurenOX · 19/12/2024 10:59

Gave birth to our second son 4 weeks ago via c section. First son has just turned 4. Husband is back in work (wfh 1 day a week).

Last night husband took off on me for the house being “untidy”. To give context, husband hates clutter and his definition of untidy is things being left around the house (shoes by the door, parcels being left on the island, a chopping board in the sink and eldest son’s toys left out). Despite the clutter, the bathrooms had been cleaned and the floors hoovered/mopped and a duster had been thrown around. A wash load had been dried and put away with another wash just finished. I explained that the only time I had to do any housework was 2 hours in the afternoon due to taking my son to a play group he attends weekly and having to get the bus due to not being able to drive. Husband still accused me of not doing enough around the house.

I am EBF and son feeds every 2-3 hours all day/night. Of an evening he cluster feeds from about 8 until 12. Husband has been sleeping in with my eldest son who can still wake in the night but certainly not to the extent of our newborn. He may wake 1 or 2 times and will fall straight back asleep after some reassurance. Husband has taken on responsibilities for eldest son, he does bath time of an evening and gets him ready of a morning for pre-school (jobs which I used to do before baby’s arrival) I told my husband I appreciate he is doing more, but I am exhausted I have a baby on my boob constantly and he is being unreasonable to expect any more from me this early on. He suggested that I’m never too exhausted to do any of the fun things (I went the Christmas market with my son and my friend and her son one afternoon this week). We went to bed on an argument and this morning the last thing he said before leaving for work was “have a productive day”.

So question is, is he being an inconsiderate A* AIBU to think he is being wholly unreasonable?

4 weeks ago you had major surgery, they cut through your abdominal wall, a significant surgery that takes a long time to recover from. You shouldn't be up mopping floors and vacuuming carpets, or doing laundry or hefting stuff about to tidy up. You need to rest and heal.

We need to start realising that a c-section is a significant medical procedure and needs time to heal. Expecting new mums to be up and running a house, alone all day with a baby (and other children) is unacceptable.

If he wants the house to look better he needs to hire a post-partum doula or house keeper/cleaner/maid to do this stuff so you can focus on healing and feeding your new baby.

Flittingaboutagain · 20/12/2024 17:04

Thursday5pmisginoclock · 19/12/2024 17:14

there’s a lot of DH bashing so not going to add to that, only you know if you want to work at it. My productive advice would be
a) has he ever seen a counsellor about his OCD and impact that has on others?
b) has he taken much paternity leave to live in your shoes? Men are now often eligible for same as women.
c) could you use a haakaa pump at night to collect let down milk and then he does an evening bottle feed, to bond with the baby, help reduce cluster feeds (when you’re empty) and to give you some time out: to be with your other child eg just read a bedtime story or cook dinner. We did this at 5pm every day and it really helped.

Cluster feeding is normal and it's important to feed more not less at these times to maintain the supply this early on.

TillyTrifle · 20/12/2024 11:32

It’s heartbreaking to read you defending him and calling him ‘amazing’.

He is utterly cruel. There is no other word for a man who actively encourages his wife to damage herself physically after major surgery (to deliver his child) because he wants to come home to a show home.

Perhaps you have convinced yourself this is pretty normal, or within the boundaries of a ‘normal husband irritation’ but please listen to the women on this thread telling you that it isn’t. It’s normal to be treated with basic love and kindness by your husband after giving birth. That’s not some unattainable ideal, it’s normal and basic. What you are experiencing is horrible and upsetting to even read.

I hope you have some support during this very vulnerable time from someone else. You’re clearly not ready to face up to the reality of who your husband is and how little he really cares for you, which is totally understandable. You’re four weeks PP. Please look after yourself and your babies and when you feel strong enough, consider the example that you’re setting for them by describing this viciously unkind and uncaring man as ‘amazing’.

Thursday5pmisginoclock · 19/12/2024 17:14

there’s a lot of DH bashing so not going to add to that, only you know if you want to work at it. My productive advice would be
a) has he ever seen a counsellor about his OCD and impact that has on others?
b) has he taken much paternity leave to live in your shoes? Men are now often eligible for same as women.
c) could you use a haakaa pump at night to collect let down milk and then he does an evening bottle feed, to bond with the baby, help reduce cluster feeds (when you’re empty) and to give you some time out: to be with your other child eg just read a bedtime story or cook dinner. We did this at 5pm every day and it really helped.

Elphamouche · 19/12/2024 16:23

He’s a wanker. I’m 8months and my house still looks like a bombs gone off!

dizzydizzydizzy · 19/12/2024 16:17

Mnetcurious · 19/12/2024 11:00

You’re so far from unreasonable, I’m raging on your behalf!

This!

TheBreak · 19/12/2024 16:07

MonickerMonica · 19/12/2024 16:00

Haven't read all posts but certainly get the gist of this thread. I know there are good guys out there who do their share but would be surprised if it's more than one in a hundred 🫤

This reminds me of a friend who had been married for several years and they had 3 school age children. She was doing just about everything on the domestic side and while not feeling very well she asked him to change the bedding as it was overdue.
He didn't know where the clean stuff was and she realised he'd NEVER done it in all their married years. I expect this is very common.

There's being useless, or weaponising incompetence or being lazy which do seem to be pretty common going by threads on here but then there is the kind of man who argues with his four week post partum wife about her not doing enough housework (when she's already doing more than is safe or recommended!), criticises her for daring to take her kid on a festive outing and tells her to 'have a productive day'. It's on another level of being a shit human being.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/12/2024 16:06

Please please please show him this thread!

GoldenLegend · 19/12/2024 16:02

You had a section four weeks ago and he's complaining about the housework you haven't done instead of doing it himself? Tell the nasty fucker to get on with it.

ThinWomansBrain · 19/12/2024 16:00

whymewhyme · 19/12/2024 11:07

Wow, what a shit! If it's not tidy enough for him tell him he knows where the cleaning stuff is.

alternatively, tell him where the door is, and call a locksmith as he is on his way out.

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