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pensionsums · 19/12/2024 10:19

Hi everyone. I'm hoping that someone who is good at maths can help me here please. I have just turned 55, and can now take my private pension should I wish. I no longer work at the company it's with (I am now self employed).

I've seen all the figures, and as you would expect, the later you take it, the larger the sums become. But I've been using a compound interest calculator, and it looks to me, like I can get the best return on the money, if I take the lump sum now and invest it, and add the monthly payments to the same account. But I'm not the best at maths and would love some second opinions please!

The figures are as follows :

Pension pot = £308,646

Age 55 : I can take £67,866 lump sum & £848 pm

Age 60 : I can take £95,089 lump sum & £1037 pm

Age 65 : I can take £119,547 lump sum & £1371 pm (after tax)

I realise that once the pot is empty, that my monthly payments will stop. By my calculations, that would make me between 75 & 78 years old.

Running these figures through a compound interest calculator, it seems to me, that I am better off taking it now and investing, because if I opened an account now and invested £67,866, and added £848 to it every month, then by the time the pot runs out, I would have £472,516.

Whereas, if I waited until 65, and invested the lump sum of £119,547 and then added £1371 to that account monthly, then by the time the pension pot runs out, I would have £353,375 in the account.

I have used 3% as the interest rate, which seems quite conservative.

I realise that this is perhaps simplistic.

Can anyone tell me if I am talking sense, or point out anything I am not getting?

Thank you!!

OP posts:
RegulatorsMountUp · 19/12/2024 10:47

craigth162 · 19/12/2024 10:43

The figures quoted appear to be an annuity on retirement. They don't run out. Payable for life and possible have a spouse benefit after death.

Yes but she hasn't taken an annuity yet.

craigth162 · 19/12/2024 10:43

RegulatorsMountUp · 19/12/2024 10:41

Of course a pension pot can run out unless it's an annuity or final salary.

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The figures quoted appear to be an annuity on retirement. They don't run out. Payable for life and possible have a spouse benefit after death.

saveforthat · 19/12/2024 10:43

Is it a defined benefit pension? It sounds like it. If so there is no pot.

craigth162 · 19/12/2024 10:41

You are also ignoring any increases to your pension and any spouse benefits etc.

RegulatorsMountUp · 19/12/2024 10:41

craigth162 · 19/12/2024 10:40

Sorry but you have completely missed the way pensions work. And the figures at 60 and 65 are estimated. Your pension pot does not run out.

Of course a pension pot can run out unless it's an annuity or final salary.

RegulatorsMountUp · 19/12/2024 10:40

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ColinOfficeTrolley · 19/12/2024 10:40

What do you mean until the pot runs out? Are you sure that's how it works.

The monthly payment after your lump sum is until you die isn't it?

craigth162 · 19/12/2024 10:40

Sorry but you have completely missed the way pensions work. And the figures at 60 and 65 are estimated. Your pension pot does not run out.

Thelnebriati · 19/12/2024 10:39

I agree with the previous comments, and also think that as a single investor you might be able to get a higher return, but overall you are less able to manage risk and are more vulnerable to loss than a pension fund would be.

Nogaxeh · 19/12/2024 10:38

The money in your pension pot isn't simply sitting as cash. It will also accrue interest. There's no particular reason to assume that investing the money outside the pension pot will generate a higher return than the money being invested inside the pension pot, but that's the only way you can get the result you've shared.

Often the illustrative scenarios on these things are presented in inflation-adjusted pounds, so I think the key thing you've done is to neglect the likely rate of inflation when calculating how much money you would have after investing your pension payouts.

This means you're comparing inflation-adjusted figures with nominal figures and the nominal figures will naturally look higher.

If you run your calculations again, with a 1% return after inflation, then you likely will see a different outcome.

DollyTubb · 19/12/2024 10:37

You really need to speak to a financial advisor. There are all sorts of tax implications and tax efficient ways of reinvesting your money. It also depends on your personal circumstances and requirements. We never know how long we are going to live either!

rainydaysaway · 19/12/2024 10:37

I agree with both previous posters.

  1. surely the payments are for life, not until the money runs out
  2. get proper financial advice
HPandthelastwish · 19/12/2024 10:36

You'll need to be spending that money to live though so how does that work unless you've had a massive windfall.

OrbitingTheEarth · 19/12/2024 10:34

I would suggest talking to a financial advisor to get the best advice not random people on Mumsnet. Sorry to be harsh but you need to do the right thing for you and not worry about that a hundred other people would do. No one else knows your situation but if you get a good registered financial advisor they will be able to advise you based on your exact situation and help advise you re investment for the tax free lump sum you are planning to take.

AudiobookListener · 19/12/2024 10:31

You say your monthly payments will stop when the pot runs out. Are you sure that's how it works? It's not a monthly pension for life? What will you live on then? And what will you live on between now and then, if you are going to be saving all your pension as your OP suggests?

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