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To think the idea of NI contributions is a farce

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OneAmberFinch · 18/12/2024 17:25

Or: "No, you haven't paid in..."

Off the back of the WASPI whining issue, but a more general point about pension entitlements. I'm continually astounded in every thread that there are people who honestly believe the state pension is one that you "pay into". People go on about years of contributions and stamps as if it has any meaning at all. Why?

Firstly, it's a defined-benefit entitlement that you get regardless of how much you and your peers contributed - it's funded by today's taxpayers.

Secondly, you can get "stamps" for all sorts of things that don't bear any relation to "paying in", including literally being unemployed on JSA?!

Thirdly, if somehow you didn't bother doing any of that, you get that defined benefit anyway regardless of whether you even contributed, because pension credit will top you up to exactly the same amount!

I think it's a real problem that we use the language of contributions and paying in to describe what is effectively a bog-standard universal benefit. I've got a lot of respect for many older people in my life and I'm not begrudging the genuine contribution they did make to society and people around them. But what is the point of pretending that the state pension and NI system is tracking that? All that time, money and effort just to give people an incorrect and actively misleading impression?

AIBU to think we should scrap all this tracking and just be honest that it's a benefit?

OP posts:
Brro · 18/12/2024 17:47

I agree but we live in a world where many people have no idea about finances at all and just basically wing it until they retire. It’s easier for them to understand and feel valued.

KneesUnder · 18/12/2024 17:46

Completely agree with you, op. It also hides a lot of the generational inequality, as people believe their pensions are being funded by their own NI payments.

TreesWelliesKnees · 18/12/2024 17:43

Maybe it's a way of trying to incentivise the nation to work?

It also isn't entirely correct that pension credit will automatically top you up - I think that would be means tested, wouldn't it? For example, I will stop work once I have my full number of years of contribution, but not before, because I don't think I'd be entitled to any top ups or other benefits due to having private pensions and savings. I'll keep working, because I want the security of the state pension later.

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