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So what exactly is the point of it all then?

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Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:41

Life? What are we here for?

I’m not depressed, just having a midweek musing while ill at home on the sofa.
If it’s just to reproduce and pass our genes on, how does that explain infertility?
Unless we have occupations that make a huge difference in people’s lives, or change the course of history somehow, how are we making any difference?

Why do you feel we’re here?

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beetr00 · 18/12/2024 22:11

Wellingtonspie · 18/12/2024 18:05

I mean that’s it’s isn’t it. We are here to reproduce and live and then die. We teach the offspring new things and we evolve.

Infertility as harsh as it sounds is nature weeding out those who should not reproduce, this can also be evidenced partly in the huge increase in sen since things like IVF and being able to keep 24weekers alive.

Yes I get the argument but broken bones, but antibiotics, but they just keep someone alive they don’t create people that nature never wanted to exist.

Though also sometimes infertility isn’t actually infertility, it’s two incompatible people. Get a new partner and sometimes the infertile are sometimes actually very fertile. Nature doesn’t care for love or feelings.

I am absolutely horrified @Wellingtonspie

"Infertility as harsh as it sounds is nature weeding out those who should not reproduce"

Shame on you

AppleBlossomMay · 18/12/2024 20:39

In short: enjoy your life, be kind, get meaning from the small things, love deeply, and live mindfully ❤️
@ForeverDelayedEpiphany

Great advice for us all to keep in mind as we go about our daily lives❤
It's so easy to forget to enjoy the simple pleasures and who and what really matters to us.

DarkAether · 18/12/2024 20:37

ClareBlue · 18/12/2024 20:23

Buy a goat. It will all make sense then.

Chickens are better

ClareBlue · 18/12/2024 20:23

Buy a goat. It will all make sense then.

zoemum2006 · 18/12/2024 20:20

My favourite quote by Henry Miller is:

“The aim of life is to live and to live is to be aware; joyously, drunkenly, serenely, divinely aware”

that’s how I feel about being alive.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 18/12/2024 20:17

RobertaFirmino · 18/12/2024 18:42

If we are here to reproduce them why are some people gay or lesbian? Sexually attracted to people they cannot reproduce with?

Why are some people infertile?

It's because the continuation of the species is not dependent on individuals. As long as enough reproduce for the species to continue, it doesn't matter (to the species) if not everyone does.

In many species only certain individuals breed and those that don't, often help care for the young in their group.

XWKD · 18/12/2024 19:58

Why should she have a reason, and does it matter?

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 19:55

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:38

Absolutely not. But it's hard to believe in a God who is good when children suffer every day.

I get you.

Suffering, calamity, disasters, disease, wars etc are all part of life in a fallen world where all of creation is in a kind of groaning anguish, longing for this age to be over and for “the age to come” to finally arrive. Children aren’t exempt from any of that and their plight is often exacerbated by their powerlessness and dependence on adults.

God is bringing everything to its culmination, and subsequent re-creation, when “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Revelation 21.

We’re just not there yet.

SpookySpoon22 · 18/12/2024 19:54

Copernicus321 · 18/12/2024 17:00

The more you look up into the heavens, the more you appreciate that there can't be a divine purpose to life or indeed a god. Why? Because our galaxy, the Milky Way has over 100 billion stars. In addition to these there are probably a further 200 to 500 billion planets orbiting these stars, that's just in our galaxy alone. From our galaxy, the Milky Way (a lovely example of a spiral galaxy by the way) we can see via the James Webb Space Telescope another possible 200 billion observable galaxies each of them containing their own stars and planets beyond measure. The concept that the Universe has been created by a monotheistic god and that this god has sent a theological scripture in the form of the Torah, Bible or Quran down to a single life form inhabiting a rather small water based planet orbiting a G-type main sequence yellow dwarf star (our Sun) positioned somewhere in the Orion arm of the Milky Way seems rather incongruous given the scale of the Universe.

However, the Universe in which you exist and you with it are amazing. When the Universe was created, the only elements that existed at the time was hydrogen (95%), helium (5%) and a trace element of lithium. As the gases gathered and formed into nebulae they in turn created the planets. Some became so large and dense that fusion started and these became stars. Through fusion consuming these first stars, all the heavier elements including oxygen and carbon were created. At first, these heavier elements were held tightly within the star that created them and only made available to the wider Universe when these first stars died and collapsed in on themselves with such a force that they exploded out again in a massive eruption called a supernova. After billions of supernovas, these heavier elements they had created during their lifetime were seeded across the Universe. These new elements in turn were collected into new nebulas and were included in the creation of subsequent generations of stars and planets. Every atom that makes you has previously existed and will continue to exist after your death. The fact that you are a life built from elements that didn't exist at the moment of the Big Bang means that you are the product of a star, you are built from star dust. When you die, you will go on to build something else.

In the meantime, just enjoy yourself. Countries, Governments, money, everything is just made up. Enjoy the moment. If you aren't having fun then go and do something that makes you happy.

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Without wishing to get into a theological debate here (we can agree to disagree!), it's interesting that what you've said is exactly why I believe in God. It's all so amazing and full of patterns and intricacies that I feel it can only have been created by an intelligent being. As well as the vastness of the universe, there are also microscopic organisms and atoms. Amazing! I just don't believe it's all sheer randomness and chance. It's possible to believe in both evolution and God.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 18/12/2024 19:39

I think it is connection. We are all linked in some way to everything around us. If we live considerately, with open hearts and minds we help bring light into the world, and reduce suffering. Even if on a small scale, for a small time.

For example, driving to work on the motorway. If we all viewed ourselves as part of one big team, working together, things would probably be a lot safer, than if we only looked out for or prioritised ourselves.

Life can be tough, few of us escape some level of suffering. A decade on I still grieve for my child, but the kind hearts of others got me through. Woolly hugs people included! Now I’m determined to do the same.

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:38

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 19:23

I’m not sure I understand your point.
Do you mean that people who are in situations of extreme danger, suffering etc are somehow disqualified from having a relationship with God?

Absolutely not. But it's hard to believe in a God who is good when children suffer every day.

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 19:23

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:18

Not sure the children in Gaza/Ukraine agree with you.

I’m not sure I understand your point.
Do you mean that people who are in situations of extreme danger, suffering etc are somehow disqualified from having a relationship with God?

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:18

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 17:07

To glorify God and enjoy Him forever.

Not sure the children in Gaza/Ukraine agree with you.

DarkAether · 18/12/2024 19:15

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:48

I find it hard to believe/understand that we’d just be here by chance and for no real reason

in the show stargate humans were used as a labour force to build things or mine etc

there could be beings out there that have machines that auto seed planets with different lifeforms etc

and before anyone says my comments are rubbish, then why do humans believe in books that are ment to be the words of god but all written by humans

TheOliveFinch · 18/12/2024 19:14

I’ve always liked the perspective that we are all connected as part of the universe explained much more coherently here

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arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:13

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:48

I find it hard to believe/understand that we’d just be here by chance and for no real reason

I find this to be very reassuring. Nothing is expected of me (from a higher level I mean, my children do have expectations obviously) and I can go on living my life as I see fit.

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 19:12

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
— Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994

So what exactly is the point of it all then?
PerditaLaChien · 18/12/2024 19:07

I don't need there to be a "bigger" meaning for me to be here

I exist. I'm a living organism so I seek to reproduce and have a strong, pleasant bond with my offspring. I work to earn the money to ensure access to the things i need to stay alive (food, shelter) and beyond that to have a more comfortable and pleasurable existence

summershere99 · 18/12/2024 19:07

I believe that we are created in the image of God. So that, for me, is where I have found meaning and purpose throughout my life. We're created for community and for love.

AppleBlossomMay · 18/12/2024 19:03

Lovely reply @SparklyTurtle , very meaningful

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 18/12/2024 18:59

RobertaFirmino · 18/12/2024 18:42

If we are here to reproduce them why are some people gay or lesbian? Sexually attracted to people they cannot reproduce with?

Because not every human needs to reproduce in order for the species to carry on. And as we're a social species, people who don't reproduce still contribute to the continuation of the society, and the raising of the next generation.

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:58

Howmanymoredays · 18/12/2024 16:22

There is no point at all. And for the most part, nothing that you do is of any consequence. In a hundred years, you and (almost) everyone else currently on the planet will be dead, regardless. Once you realise this, it is much easier not to care about anything at all.

Yes I often visit graveyards and notice the gravestones in various stages of decay with illegible inscriptions.

No one will remember you in a 100 years time.

But new life goes on. It's just the way it is.

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:52

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 16:11

@biscuitsandbooks But we are so different to other species

Not really. We can over know what an ant is thinking or even your cat.

housemaus · 18/12/2024 18:50

I don't think we're here 'for' anything: evolution happened, and here we are. I don't find that bleak or scary - I think it's kind of beautiful, that individually and collectively we're all the product of tens of thousands of years of genetic chance and yet here we are.

And we have the choice to decide what our shot at it means to us - to me it's just to live a happy life, to some it might be to raise happy children or have a fulfilling career or to climb every mountain or to leave the world better than you found it.,

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:50

We're born and then we die like the many species that came before us.

No special meaning in particular.

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