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This school makes me uncomfortable and I want to scale back interactions

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thisskiil · 18/12/2024 12:29

We started off getting to know each other a few months ago as our kids are in the same class.

It seemed fine at first, we had a couple of play dates for the kids and would talk when dropping off the kids.

But it's just become too much for me. She calls a fair bit, is always wanting to help me somehow.

She's asked me once to pick up her child from school for her because she was running late and she's once picked up my child from school too.

They're both 5. She's always jumping over herself to help me somehow, like when school finishes at a different time, she'll reach out and ask if she needs to pick up my child. I have actually never asked her to pick up my child( until recently, see below ) but once, she offered as she knew my other child was sick- so to avoid me having to take my younger child out, she offered to drop my older child at home. But before she did so, she took my DD to her house to get her DS to get changed and I didn't really understand why and I didn't like it.

Anyway, when I pick up my DD her DS asks if he's coming home with us and apparently my DD also asks her. Even though it's only happened once, the kids remember it..

Then last week, I was desperate and it's actually the first time I asked her to pick up my DD but I was uncomfortable. I asked on a Monday if she could pick her up and she said of course. By the Tuesday morning I found an alternate solution and texted her immediately to let her know I no longer needed her to pick her up and she said ok cool.

Anyway, I got grandma to pick her up instead and this school mum made a big deal out of the fact that my DD was upset she wasn't going home with her but had a to go home with grandma.

She said she had a word with my DD, if the teachers mention it.

My DD always gets a bit upset when being picked up early from her after school club, because she loves her after school club. When I pick her up, she always scrunches up her face a bit and says she wants to finish her drawing or whatever she was doing.

When I asked grandma, she told me that's all that happened. There were no tears or anything and she was more than happy to go home and be picked up by grandma.

I feel like the mum is lying about this and making a big deal out of nothing.

First of all, I never told my DD that the plan had been for her to go home with mum friend- so why would she have been upset ? Secondly, why did the teachers know anything about her being so upset that they may ' mention it ' ? Thirdly, why did grandma say it was literally not a big deal? And finally, when I asked my DD what happened - she said she wanted to stay at the after school club because it's so much fun. She said she didn't cry and went home with grandma.

Maybe my DD did ask if she was going home with the other mum, like her son asks me, but to turn it around into a big emotional melt down because the plans changed ( which DD didn't even know about anyway) just seems really manipulative to me.

I 100 percent believe grandma and my DD here and now I feel even more uncomfortable about this mum and I will NEVER ask her again.

Is my reaction here too strong ? It's almost like a visceral reaction. I'm trying to make sense of everything but this person is just so in my face and wanting to help ALL the time, something seems so off.

OP posts:
thisskiil · 18/12/2024 17:57

I've been thinking really hard about what the issue is here, is it the behaviour of being overly helpful that has made me feel this way or is it actually that I don't like her for another reason...

I think it's both.

She's been pretty judgy about my parenting and has kind of been telling my kids off / parenting them / overstepping on several occasions. As well as had quite judgy/ nasty things to say about other parents that I haven't enjoyed.

She's crossed some boundaries in how she speaks to me and my kids- example. I realise I've been on edge the couple of play dates that we've had because she can be quite judgemental. So all those things put together are probably why I'm reacting this way. There was one play date ( we've only had 3 ). And the last one just cemented it with me that I didn't really like her and I'm uncomfortable around her. I've been ignoring my feelings a bit for a while and by the time I got to know her enough to realise that it's not a close friendship I want to peruse, it felt too late. Like I already let her in.

OP posts:
SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 18/12/2024 17:49

thisskiil · 18/12/2024 12:49

I don't know guys I'm not normally like this. But there's just something I'm not comfortable with.

Then you need to follow your gut reaction, but as kindly as possible because it could just be that this woman is keen to make friends for herself and her son, and is going about it the wrong way, which is not a crime, just an inconvenience for people who find it too much.
If you don't want to be friends then you need to avoid asking for favours even when desperate!

TwigletsAndRadishes · 18/12/2024 16:49

No of course you are not beholden to her, but she sounds like the type to smother her friends and maybe she struggles with boundaries. Whereas you sound like the polar opposite, a bit prickly and suspicious, with a wall up around you.

You are just a poor match as friends and she hasn't cottoned on yet. But if she's as intense and desperate to over-involve herself with you as you seem to think, then she might be a bit thick skinned and difficult to shake off. That's all I meant.

thisskiil · 18/12/2024 16:22

TwigletsAndRadishes · 18/12/2024 14:44

Is my reaction here too strong ?

Just going by the info in your OP, yes it's way too strong. You seem to be really obsessing over nothing much. But you can't help how you feel and if something about this woman has spooked you then you don't need anyone else's permission to back off from her. Be prepared for it to be difficult to extract yourself though. If she's the kind of person you are suggesting she might be, then she's not going to let you go without a fuss.

But this just shows that something is wrong.

Why should she not let me go without a fuss ? Am I beholden to her in some way ? Surely chatting, play dates and occasionally talking on WhatsApp is not something that creates some sort of situation in which things need to be awkward in case we don't talk as much anymore ?

That's what it's like with the other mums. It's just normal and not intense. I don't hear from them, they don't hear from me.. it's not a big deal. We then hear from each other again. Maybe we don't. When we see each other at birthdays, we have a laugh. They don't act like we are relatives. I don't act like we are relatives.

I also don't test their children! Like she's done with mine ! And god knows how much she's tested her when I wasn't there.

OP posts:
TwigletsAndRadishes · 18/12/2024 14:44

Is my reaction here too strong ?

Just going by the info in your OP, yes it's way too strong. You seem to be really obsessing over nothing much. But you can't help how you feel and if something about this woman has spooked you then you don't need anyone else's permission to back off from her. Be prepared for it to be difficult to extract yourself though. If she's the kind of person you are suggesting she might be, then she's not going to let you go without a fuss.

recipientofraspberries · 18/12/2024 14:41

Funny, I'm going the other way to most PPs.

I don't feel like you're overreacting, OP. I think you have subconsciously picked up on something that is raising alarm bells for you, and that you should listen to them.

You're not obligated to keep this person in your life, and certainly not obligated to have your child be with someone you don't 100% trust.

thisskiil · 18/12/2024 14:22

FictionalCharacter · 18/12/2024 14:16

She sounds like someone who is desperate to be seen as helpful, needed and a friend, but IMO she's crossed some lines. I completely understand why this feels suffocating. It's completely possible to be kind and helpful without being interfering and trying to be overly involved in someone else's life, which is what she's doing.

It's not normal to pretend that your DD was upset at being collected by Grandma and not her. That's very weird. And creating an imaginary scenario in which the teachers get involved is even weirder. It's as though she's pretending to be a member of your family.

She seems to be unusually keen to pick your child up and take her home. Her DS asks if he's coming home with you. All of it is very strange and I'd keep my distance too. I'm not saying she's some kind of criminal, just that your discomfort is understandable and you don't have to allow her collect your child.

Some people are missing that she's picked up your child only once, and you've picked up hers only once. It's not as though you're regularly desperate for help and turning your nose up at someone who's willing to give it.

This reminds me, a couple of times she picked up her child and noticed mine hadn't been picked ip yet and it was getting a bit late - so she called and asked if she should pick her up.

I get it's trying to be helpful, but all of it combined is just intense.

I wouldn't ask her the same. I would assume she'd let me know if she was unable to help pick up or had made other arrangements. We are not sisters or that close that we need to he worrying about each others lives like this. I don't know her very well.

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 18/12/2024 14:16

She sounds like someone who is desperate to be seen as helpful, needed and a friend, but IMO she's crossed some lines. I completely understand why this feels suffocating. It's completely possible to be kind and helpful without being interfering and trying to be overly involved in someone else's life, which is what she's doing.

It's not normal to pretend that your DD was upset at being collected by Grandma and not her. That's very weird. And creating an imaginary scenario in which the teachers get involved is even weirder. It's as though she's pretending to be a member of your family.

She seems to be unusually keen to pick your child up and take her home. Her DS asks if he's coming home with you. All of it is very strange and I'd keep my distance too. I'm not saying she's some kind of criminal, just that your discomfort is understandable and you don't have to allow her collect your child.

Some people are missing that she's picked up your child only once, and you've picked up hers only once. It's not as though you're regularly desperate for help and turning your nose up at someone who's willing to give it.

Waterboatlass · 18/12/2024 14:03

I see the OP's perspective. This woman has overstepped the mark and lied. I would just be polite in passing from now on. Don't think the worst, she may have misinterpreted something your child said. But I'd keep my distance for a while.

godmum56 · 18/12/2024 13:54

thisskiil · 18/12/2024 12:49

I don't know guys I'm not normally like this. But there's just something I'm not comfortable with.

then act on it.

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 18/12/2024 13:45

You sound just as over the top as her to be honest op.

Everleigh13 · 18/12/2024 13:39

If you have a bad feeling about someone I think it’s a good idea to back off, be polite but not encourage them too much. She may just be an intense person or trying to be helpful but it does sound a bit OTT from what you’ve said.

MerryMaker · 18/12/2024 13:38

Is the other mum working class whilst you are middle class OP? Because her behaviour sounds normal northern working class behaviour to me.
I have met someone twice who is helping me out with something. This is what we do. I met one of her friends who hugged me and asked my advice on a personal matter twenty minutes after I met her. We don't all keep people at arms length.

SlightDrip · 18/12/2024 13:36

tinymoon · 18/12/2024 13:28

Because she thought she was? And liked the idea that the OP’s DD was so keen on her DD that she was disappointed not to be going home with her?

This hasn’t convinced me at all that it’s not really weird! She’s a grown woman.
Even if she genuinely thought the daughter was upset she could just say ‘she seemed disappointed…’ Not make a big deal out of it like the OP has said she did and say she’d had a word with the daughter if the teachers mention it.

To be honest, I find the OP’s incredibly melodramatic take on it all (assuming the other mother was ‘lying’ and dashing about cross-checking the grandmother’s take on it all, and her DD’s story, as if she’s in a detective novel, and then starting an internet thread) far odder than the other mother’s behaviour, which is fairly self-evident.

She’s desperate to make a friend, and for her DD to befriend the OP’s DD, so she was delighted to be asked to pick up the OP’s child as evidence of the beginning of a bond. So she was very disappointed when the OP made other arrangements, and just projected that onto the OP’s DD because that’s what she’d love to happen, rather than the OP’s child saying ‘Oh, fine’ and going home with her grandmother.

There’s no sinister intent, she’s just one of those characters who show up on Mn all the time, terribly worried that their Reception DD doesn’t have a ‘best friend’ by Christmas, and upset they haven’t made ‘school gate friends ’.

oakleaffy · 18/12/2024 13:36

SanFranByAir · 18/12/2024 12:58

When you don't have your family nearby or close friends with kids, then you have to make your own village - MN is very big on making your own village! But I think this is just what she is trying to do. If you get bad vibes then fair enough, but I suspect you might be over reacting. The fact that she took your child to her house on the way so hers could get changed just seems like such an everyday thing. Maybe they were heading out somewhere, maybe she thought you'd ask her in for a brew and the kids might play.

Agree..OP sounds a little bit paranoid, especially with the ''up in my business'' that's a strange term to use, as is the ''Grown woman''...most people aren;t that touchy.

Doubt this mother cares about op's 'business' {whatever it may be}, just wants to help out {and to be helped out in return in an emergency- eg, picking up each other's children}

Jumell · 18/12/2024 13:33

Polly47 · 18/12/2024 13:28

If the Mum was a Dad - would you feel the same way?

If it was the Dad all up in OP's face and taking the DD back to their house while his DS got changed without OP's knowledge until after the event - would you think that was fine and he was just 'lonely' trying to make friends?

If it was a Dad texting asking questions and offering to collect the DD without being asked, would you think it was creepy or friendly?

If a Dad had said the DD was really upset not to be coming home with me - when that was not the case at all - would you be saying the OP shouldn't be demonising him?

It's a genuine question.

Because to me, you're ignoring red flags purely because this person is a woman and a Mum. Rather than just accepting these as red flags.

There are some very good points here that even I - who am 100% behind the OP in terms of her feelings - didn’t think of

winetimenow · 18/12/2024 13:32

I can understand your response to this - I have a similar person at school. I don't think they mean any harm and actually we have built a friendship but I have had to be quite clear in my mind where my boundaries are and develop a bit of a thick skin for all the perceived disappointment/sadness etc my children apparently experience when I get things wrong...
I wouldn't burn bridges - she sounds kind and helpful- but maybe decide how close a friendship you want and practice letting comments wash over you

MerryMaker · 18/12/2024 13:31

There are two ways of having friends. The light acquaintance and fairly disinterested type of friendships OP you describe with other school mums. Or proper friends where you care about each other and help each other out.
Wanting to make proper friends with someone is not being intense, but if it is not what you want, then fine put a stop to it.

QuickDenimDeer · 18/12/2024 13:30

LostittoBostik · 18/12/2024 13:24

Bloody hell, that response in itself is a bit intense.

I also hate the comparison thing but just don't engage in it? Keep it light?

Don’t be silly it’s not ‘intense’, it’s perfectly reasonable rational decision on my part and I explained exactly why…

I have no problem smiling and saying hi, but I’m not there to make pals. I also feel strongly that I need to protect my vulnerable child.

tinymoon · 18/12/2024 13:28

Because she thought she was? And liked the idea that the OP’s DD was so keen on her DD that she was disappointed not to be going home with her?

This hasn’t convinced me at all that it’s not really weird! She’s a grown woman.
Even if she genuinely thought the daughter was upset she could just say ‘she seemed disappointed…’ Not make a big deal out of it like the OP has said she did and say she’d had a word with the daughter if the teachers mention it.

Polly47 · 18/12/2024 13:28

SlightDrip · 18/12/2024 13:23

Yes, exactly. You’re absolutely not obliged to befriend her, OP, or be any more than ordinarily friendly in passing, but there’s no need to demonise her.

If the Mum was a Dad - would you feel the same way?

If it was the Dad all up in OP's face and taking the DD back to their house while his DS got changed without OP's knowledge until after the event - would you think that was fine and he was just 'lonely' trying to make friends?

If it was a Dad texting asking questions and offering to collect the DD without being asked, would you think it was creepy or friendly?

If a Dad had said the DD was really upset not to be coming home with me - when that was not the case at all - would you be saying the OP shouldn't be demonising him?

It's a genuine question.

Because to me, you're ignoring red flags purely because this person is a woman and a Mum. Rather than just accepting these as red flags.

CandiedPrincess · 18/12/2024 13:25

I actually think you're the odd one here Confused

SlightDrip · 18/12/2024 13:25

LostittoBostik · 18/12/2024 13:23

Presume she just meant to write "school mum"?

I realised. After I wrote that…😀

LostittoBostik · 18/12/2024 13:24

QuickDenimDeer · 18/12/2024 13:18

There’s always a thread about school mum friends on here, and this is why I don’t make school mum friends. You have a lot of years to despise each-other if it all goes tits up. That, and the whole comparison thing, given that my DC is speech delayed. I don’t need the judgement or the small talk.

Bloody hell, that response in itself is a bit intense.

I also hate the comparison thing but just don't engage in it? Keep it light?

LostittoBostik · 18/12/2024 13:23

SlightDrip · 18/12/2024 12:59

So this is nothing to do with ‘school’ as in your title, just an individual parent?

Do you struggle with relationships and communication in general, OP? Because this seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill. She misinterpreted your daughter’s response as indicating upset that she wasn’t going home with her classmate and her mother, and because (rather like you) she seems to be someone who makes a mountain out of a molehill, she exaggerated it, to give the impression (which she may genuinely believe) that your DD is very fond her child.

I think she’s just someone desperate to make friends by being of use, and without much else going on in her life. It’s entirely up to you whether you have anything to do with her. You don’t like her, so don’t see her other than a quick hello in passing.

Edited

Presume she just meant to write "school mum"?