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Marriage for older couple with large wealth disparity

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JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 19:58

Me and DP have been together for 3½ years. We do not have children together but DP has one child from a previous relationship. I love them both very much.

At the start of the relationship we discussed marriage, and we both agreed it wasn't something we'd ever want, despite being fully committed to each other and considering each other as life partners (neither of use are religious and we're both kind of non-conformist and were not motivated by the tradition).

Recently DP changed her mind on this and has now become adamant that she wants to get married and have completely joint finances, and she will leave me otherwise.

This puts me in quite an uncomfortable situation because of our respective financial situations.

I have had a lucrative but very high stress career. I'm not a particularly money motivated person and have lived frugally all my life. I'm now in a position where I am planning to retire within the next 5-10 years. I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

I've agreed to the marriage on the condition that premarital assets should be off the table if we ever ended up divorcing (of course you don't plan for it, but you never know).

I have no issue with joint finance and sharing all income going forward. That would mean me contributing 3-4X what she would, and that would be "our" money forever no matter what happens (split 50/50 if we separated). All income, pension, inheritance, or whatever else, shared completely from the point of marriage.

For "my" (i.e. the premarital) money, I consider it to be "ours" for as long as we are together. Anything she needs, or her DC needs, she'll have it. If we need a bigger house, I'll pay for it. My only condition is that if she ever leaves me, she doesn't get to take half of it with her. Only in that sense, it's still "mine".

I consider this a pretty good deal for DP. If we stay together as planned, she'd be able to retire in her 50s and we could travel the world together. Even in the unfortunate scenario that we were to split up after a few years, she'd still have done very well out of it financially and be in a good position to do whatever she'd want to do next in life.

But this is not satisfactory for DP. She insists that true commitment means "sharing everything" and that all premarital assets need to be split 50/50 in divorce.

My issue with this is that the "financial commitment" that she sees as being so important, is almost exclusively coming from me. There's no commitment from her because there's no risk for her. She'd end up rich (relative to where she is now) whatever happened. I'd be in a position where I'd lose so much by leaving, but she would lose nothing by leaving.

This doesn't seem fair, or balanced, or equitable, to me. Even disregarding my obvious self interests, it just seems to to be a really bad foundation for a relationship, because of the inevitable power imbalance it would cause.

I think DP should also be considering my needs and security, and be open to an arrangement which benefits us both as a couple and as individuals, without exposing me (and only me) to such risk. If roles were reversed, I'd want to protect my partner so that they could feel completely secure in the relationship.

So my answer is "no", and now she's leaving me.

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her". She thinks I'm being overly analytical and "treating it like a business deal". She says I shouldn't even be thinking about it as losing "my" money, because it's all "our" money anyway. She says she'd rather be alone for the rest of her life than be with someone who won't share everything with her.

So, AIBU?

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YankeeDad · 18/12/2024 08:55

LadyMargaretPoledancer · 18/12/2024 08:24

It must be really hard reading all these responses @JustSomeRamdomGuy

When the scales fall from our eyes and we see people for who they really are it's really painful.

You effectively asked your partner, what do you care more about me or my money? and she answered - the money

You have a very clear answer and I can see how upsetting that must be.

You don't need to worry about unanswered questions or regrets now, you know exactly where you stand.

Deep breath and move on with your life.

^this

LadyMargaretPoledancer · 18/12/2024 08:24

It must be really hard reading all these responses @JustSomeRamdomGuy

When the scales fall from our eyes and we see people for who they really are it's really painful.

You effectively asked your partner, what do you care more about me or my money? and she answered - the money

You have a very clear answer and I can see how upsetting that must be.

You don't need to worry about unanswered questions or regrets now, you know exactly where you stand.

Deep breath and move on with your life.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 18/12/2024 07:57

If you've only been together 3.5 years, and one of those its been so bad you need counselling, I really don't think marriage should be on the cards at all! You don't even live together yet!!

Edit: if you're still attending counselling, could you bring it up there? Maybe she would take it more rationally coming from your counsellor?

Whyherewego · 18/12/2024 07:51

You've been together just over 3 years and already in counselling.
As you said, marriage is not really on the cards at the moment and nor should it be for her. She's either not in love with you or she's having some sudden financial panic or both.

You asked if there's an angle or POV you're not seeing and the answer is no. It's not normal for these kind of second /later relationships. She's got a DC, so if for example you lost all your money overnight, would she expect to share her money ? I'd say not because she has a DC and needs to think about them too.
So whatever her reasons, she's not thinking rationally. She's got enough money to live on herself so she doesn't need your money to survive and so I'm afraid if this is a dealbreaker, it's over

saraclara · 18/12/2024 07:40

I've encouraged her to save everything she can (into her own pension and ISAs) because I can easily cover the bills and day to day living expenses

You don't live together. So have you been paying the bills related to her home, and her living expenses? As well as your own?

healthybychristmas · 18/12/2024 00:49

PixelatedLunchbox · 18/12/2024 00:03

I believe she is 100% planning on leaving you and wants to marry you so she can take a chunk of your wealth. Run a mile from this one.

She's actually telling him that's what she will do!

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 18/12/2024 00:24

She is taking the piss. Do not do it!

ByHardyAquaFox · 18/12/2024 00:04

Don't even consider marrying this leech.
Run for the hills. Run for your life.

PixelatedLunchbox · 18/12/2024 00:03

I believe she is 100% planning on leaving you and wants to marry you so she can take a chunk of your wealth. Run a mile from this one.

healthybychristmas · 17/12/2024 23:56

You know what, what you think of us love isn't love. This woman is out for what she can get. You sound very kind and generous and honestly it sounds to say you've been completely taken in by her. It's absolute bollocks that she would rather live alone than be with someone who didn't share all of his money with her even if they split up.

I think you should call a halt to any changes whatsoever and see a really good therapist for several months to look at why you think you deserve someone who treats you as badly as this.

And by the way I think it's horrible that she goes on holiday without you! I'm not talking about trips away with her daughter but generally, why isn't she going on holiday with you?

ZenNudist · 17/12/2024 23:54

Don't walk, run away from this relationship. Certainly don't cave to emotional blackmail. I think she's eyeing up the drop in lifestyle and comfortable future prospects if you split and putting the screws on you to lock down half your wealth.

If she cated your offer would have been enough. It's fair.

I'm sure another gold digger will be along any minute. Move on with your life.

healthybychristmas · 17/12/2024 23:52

Oh my God no I wouldn't marry her! She is showing her true colours! What you are offering is more than reasonable. What she is asking is completely unreasonable. She sounds like a gold digger.

summerinsiam · 17/12/2024 23:45

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

Never lived together before, amd in couple's counselling! And she wants to go from that to married and making massive demans on your money!

I said I would leave my money to her DC if we split up. If we are together then of course she'll be getting everything. Plus my life insurance which is an additional £800K.

I'd be thinking you may find yourself dying sooner rather than later in that case.

Raininginparadise2 · 17/12/2024 23:19

I'll repeat what I said in your previous thread. She is after your money. Do not marry her.

livelovelough24 · 17/12/2024 23:16

Agix · 17/12/2024 20:11

Do people even have to share premarital assets upon divorce? I thought that wasnt a thing that happened anyway.

@Agix it depends where you live. I think that in UK, yes, you do, but where I live it is not. Everything that you acquired before marriage is yours only. I guess OP is from UK.

OP I agree with everyone that your proposal was more then generous. Just let her leave, you may feel sad now, but after some time, you get better prospective, you will see that it is for the best.

StormingNorman · 17/12/2024 23:00

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:50

If we'd been together 10 years I'd feel a lot better about it.

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

3 1/2 years and you’ve already spent a year in couples counselling. It’s not supposed to be this hard so early on.

You need to run from this woman and run like the wind. The marriage won’t last and it won’t make you happy because it’s not based in wanting to be together. It’s a commercial arrangement for her.

JustMyView13 · 17/12/2024 22:58

Choux · 17/12/2024 22:18

The OP doesn't have any DC of his own.

Thank you! I’ve totally misread the post 🫠😂

I still think she sounds too money focused though.

Blackbird11 · 17/12/2024 22:52

All sorts of red flags in your relationship without the money issue. I have a lot of wealth and would probably never risk it to remarry. If I did then a prenuptial agreement ring fencing my wealth is a must. I would feel the same if I married a much wealthier partner and not expect their wealth. Please run away from this!

PeloMom · 17/12/2024 22:44

DaringLion · 17/12/2024 20:10

Sounds like she wants your money more than you

⬆️You’re on the money

redastherose · 17/12/2024 22:41

I would be you in this scenario, my DP unfortunately died but I wouldn't have married him in any event as I had all the assets and he had very little and what he did have was left to his DC's. There is no reason for her ultimatum other than that she's after your assets. You would've mad to marry her at all. Better to be alone than used as a cash cow!

NamechangeRugby · 17/12/2024 22:37

Didimum · 17/12/2024 21:29

This is all a bit of a moot point. Pre-nups don’t hold up in court and should you divorce, you can go to court and a judge will make a fair award. Considering you don’t have children and her earnings have not been impacted by the marriage, it’s extremely unlikely she’d be awarded 50% of pre-marriage assets anyway.

This is my understanding, that pre-nups don't hold much legal weight in the UK (I'm assuming the Op is UK based).

I'm really surprised to hear people talking about pre-marital wealth as if it is something which can be hived off in a divorce - can it? That isn't my understanding, although happy to be educated - anyone know for sure? On that and the UK pre-nup situation?

Anyway Op, fwiw - I think you'd be mad to get married.

I've seen first hand a 60+ eccentric bachelor who worked & saved hard, who would have loved to have had a partner earlier in life, until he got one and she swiped the lot with 18 months - definitely fraud involved, got him involved in all sorts of financial schemes with folks who just disappeared - awful. I appreciate that is a different kettle of fish altogether, but some people just gravitate to kind, generous, lonely - those qualities for him added up to vulnerable & prime target.

Take your time here. There is zero rush. And negative need to get pressurised into marriage.

Foreigners88 · 17/12/2024 22:37

well, she just does what all the women on mumsnet are advised: do shared finances, pay the bills and divide the left overs 50/50 into your personal accounts.

you love her ....but not enough to consider her a wife like when a man first marries and does not care about the end

Happilyobtuse · 17/12/2024 22:28

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:50

If we'd been together 10 years I'd feel a lot better about it.

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

Do not do it. This woman only wants your money. Find someone who loves you and doesn’t care for your money. Ideally someone better financially matched. Less likely to cause disagreements in your marital life. All the best!

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 22:25

Choux · 17/12/2024 21:25

I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

*We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.*

So your relationship is in crisis which is why she is trying to lock in not just the continuing relationship but a legal hold on your £1.5m. She's realised what her future looks like without you in it and only earning only a quarter of what you do. No early retirement in her 50s and traveling the world if you split up.

But I would also say you are possibly a bit naive with your expectations. How do you split finances now? Presumably she can't really afford the type of holidays you go on now. Do you 'treat' her to them? Are they your choice re timing, location etc? As the higher earner holding the purse strings, are dates and activities all what you want to do? I would hate that feeling of being a kept woman having to do what you want to do as you were treating me.

You say you would leave your money to her children if you stayed together. Are you older than her? Men have a shorter life expectancy than women so what would happen if you died prematurely in another decade or two? You leave your money to her kids and she spends the last 10-15 years of her life in poverty while possibly kicked out of the home she shared with you. If you love someone and want to have a future with them it can't be entirely on your terms. Their financial security should also be important to you. You don't want to share your wealth 50/50 but what do you think is reasonable provision to make for her now, if you are together for 10 years, 20 etc.

I don't think this is very accurate.

DP has a good job and career. She can afford whatever holidays she wants, and she does go on holidays without me sometimes (that's fine with me). I live a simple and frugal life and haven't even been abroad in over 5 years. When we do go on holiday together, it's mostly where and when she wants (to fit in with DC). None of this is a problem.

I said I would leave my money to her DC if we split up. If we are together then of course she'll be getting everything. Plus my life insurance which is an additional £800K.

I am not compromising her financial security in any way whatsoever. Entirely the opposite in fact. I've encouraged her to save everything she can (into her own pension and ISAs) because I can easily cover the bills and day to day living expenses. I've encouraged her to build her own wealth, with my help, because it benefits both us as a couple and her individually. That's what working as a team looks like to me.

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Tigertigertigertiger · 17/12/2024 22:25

Wave her goodbye and move on !

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