To think all NICU nurses should wear body cams to keep babies safe?

@BoobyDazzler im glad you had a better experience. I was too traumatised to speak up and I felt that my baby might be penalised if I said something. Isn’t that terrible. And if you knew my day job you’d think it was even more ridiculous that I didn’t say something - but having had a lot of counselling it was a trauma response and I had shut down and wasn’t functioning properly.

I’m a nicu mum and that wasn’t my experience. I’d have complained about it if it were :(

No, dont be ridiculous.

Firstly, i find the evidence against LL to be unconvincing, whilst i know she was found guilty, articles i have read since have made me doubt the convinction.

Secondly, nurses, of all kind, perform tasks that display intimate areas of patients. whether that patien is newborn, 16, 60, or 106, dignity in care is paramount, and should not be recorded.

Thirdly, there are plenty of steps in place that hospitals could bring in to protect patients. One example is the insulin, ours is stored in a computer controlled fridge, it takes finger prints to open that fridge, we input how many units are being removed, pharmacy confirm the correct amount of medication is in the stores each day. This is all medications, right down to calpol. Controlled drugs, and anything being given by injection or IV are 2 nurse checked. Whilst medication errors do happen, nurses are human, over worked, under massive pressure, often caring for more acutely unwell patients at once than is considered "safe", they are traceable to the individual/s giving the medication and acted upon.

Fourthly, comparing it to regular checks on children withdrawn from mainstream education is ludicrus. All children should be visable to authorities. Having occasional checks on these children is in the best interests of all children.

Actually, I think there is a case for closed circuit cameras in NICU wards.

I'm a HCP, I'd love a body cam because the amount of times myself and my colleagues have been accused of promising something by patients is truly shocking. I've had GPs ringing me to ask me why I've promised their patient that I can get them moved up a waiting list or even onto different medication or that I've told them they can have a free wetroom fitted at home. All complete bullshit but desperate people don't care who they throw under a bus.
Like with the Police, bodycams protect everyone and as long as the patients dignity is not invaded (obviously no filming of body parts) I don't see the problem.
Lots of patients have cameras at home now, I'm used to being filmed.

Wow. I am a teacher and this would be like me being offended that I get DBS checked every year. I welcome it knowing it could help protect children and obviously I'm not an abuser so why would I worry?

If you're home educating your children to a good level surely you should be welcoming visits and oversight knowing this could prevent children from being abused or killed? And if you're doing a good job there's nothing to worry about.

For what's its worth most children I have worked with that have been previously home educated are usually really behind as they've been taken out after a dispute with a school and the parents haven't put anything in place to teach them a proper balanced curriculum when they're at home (not saying this is every home ed parentbut it shows there needs to be checks done)

I didn't have a particular view about those who choose to home educate. I do now ...

I wonder how many posters have had babies in NICU? I don’t mean just one night as baby was a bit distressed when they came out but Level 3 NICU for a month when you have to say good bye to your baby every night as there’s only one side room with a parent bed and 26 babies on the ward? And obviously many babies are there much much longer. For long stretches of time they are by themselves with no one to advocate for them and obviously they can’t speak up for themselves.

I don’t think body cams are the answer but cctv may help or baby monitor cams as suggested above. It was horrific leaving at night and seeing the night staff come on, flick on all the fluorescent lights on high beam (where they’d stay on all night into night beaming into the incubators), and turn up the radio to heavy rock music. The lovely day staff were all soothing music, soft voices and little shades over the incubators so the bright lights didn’t mean permanent daytime but the night staff….😨. Would have loved a baby monitor cam (but it would have made for hard viewing)

No OP. I do not think it neccessary.

They wear enough 'furniture' (pens, tongue depressors, scissors, etc) on their uniform without a camera.
It's an infection risk, and how do you hold a baby with bits of metal all over you?

Using babies in nicu to point score is fucking low, even for Mumsnet. Absolutely vile thread.

You're not a victim, stop acting like one.

There's a world of difference between medical professionals and home-educating parents.

Because, unfortunately, not all parents are loving and not all home educated children are even getting an education at all.

So naive; shamefully so.

Do you honestly believe that people proposing one or two home visits for homeschooled families is the equivalent of constant body cam footage. Is that REALLY you're belief...?

Some children are murdered by "loving parents"
I was raped and abused by my parent. Try having a think about why a tiny amount of oversight might be good. You maybe well have some but lots of areas don't or it's a cursory phone call once a year

I'm absolutely baffled now

No I don’t think that body cams on HCPs are the way to go. I do wonder if “baby monitor” style cams on paediatric beds with a single monitor at the nurses station would be useful for a number of reasons- inc. allowing lone parents/carers to nip for a wee/ to grab a sandwich quickly which is always a nightmare with slightly older babies/ little ones under a certain age.

You've got to think about cost vs benefit and the risks (data breaches, GDPR issues, loss of privacy/dignity) before making public policy.

Poor policies result from knee-jerk decision making.

Makes absolutely no sense OP. You are comparing HCP's who are qualified, trained and experienced in what they do, who are subject to regular skill checks and police checks (of course there are a few bad apples) vs parents with in most cases bo teaching training, no oversight, no monitoring and no police checks. If children in a classroom had an unqualified teacher who wasn't background checked there would be uproar. But children can be taught at home with no oversight.

I am not saying there should be no home schooling, for a small number of children with specific needs it is absolutely the best option for them. But the needs should be assessed and agreed that best met at home, and there should be regular visits, monitoring of learning and professional support for parents home educating. All children have a right to a broad and balanced education and the government has a responsibility to ensure this happens. I'm sure there will be examples of poor school education given as a counter arguement in a typical MN race to the bottom approach!

Piss off to a conspiracy thread with that crap. There are several going at the moment. She’s not getting released despite the latest underhanded defence tactics.

We had a spate of batshit posts over vat on private schools. Is it now the turn of HE to post these threads?

OP having some proper checks as to whether you are HE your children is not like wearing bodycams. You would be asked for evidence you are HE, that is all.

Too true..plus the Lucy Letby situation is incredibly incredibly rare. It's a once or twice in a lifetime scenario (thank goodness) unfortunately, shitty parents aren't quite as rare

We have a list of all the nurses working in an NCU and all the children in the hospital.

We do not even have a list of all the children who are homeschooled nor all the adults involved in the education of home educating children.

Certain home education communities have had their arse so far up there own arse they have lost the opportunity to work with local authorities to build sensible safeguards into potential legislation.

As it stands anything that is put in place is likely to be far more draconian. Education Otherwise and others have been so short sighted and scored a real own goal.

I say that as a parent who fully believes in the value of home schooling and that many many children thrive far more at home than they do at school

100% this, my youngest had a stint in NNU and the nurses there weren’t just a lifeline for my DD, they were for me as well as they cuddled her and loved her when I wasn’t able to.

Poor analogy to make your point OP. I fear this won’t raise the opinions of people who are suspicious of the efficacy home education with this one.

So why didn't you simply post about your concerns transparently in the first place?