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AIBU in thinking the government have made the correct decision not to blanket pay all WASPI women £3k? This goes against the Ombudsman recommendations to pay between £1k-3k to every WASPI women.

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caringcarer · 17/12/2024 13:35

At the time it was in every newspaper for weeks, in the radio and on the TV news a lot of coverage via the media. Most women of this age agree they knew about pension age changes. At the time it was huge. I fail to understand how any women could not have known unless they lived off grid. No individual letters were sent out to the women who would be affected. The Ombudsman's recommendation was that a blanket payment of between £1k-3k be paid to all WASPI women. Labour have just announced no money will be paid out at all. It would have cost the taxpayer up to £10.5 billion pounds on top of the huge amount of my ney it has cost to review it for several years. It is money that the government just don't have. Assuming lessons have been learned and any future changes will see DWP send out letters to any individuals who it will directly affect. The only worry is that it sets a precedent of ignoring what the Ombudsman's recommendations.

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ManHereSorry · 17/12/2024 15:56

What about my dad (and millions more) who had to work five years longer than my mum - in a dangerous, cold, outdoors manual job - just because he was a man. It’s unfortunate that a few people didn’t pay attention to the news but the country can’t afford ten billion quid to ‘compensate’ them for that.

goldencabbage · 17/12/2024 15:54

Dasherandprancer · 17/12/2024 13:54

The problem is it is very hard to justify when schools and the NHS are on their knees crying out for funds. Allocating such a huge volume of money to this group is hard especially at a time when taxes on working people (yes some pensioners pay tax too) are rising in real and nomimal terms and those still working especially the younger demographic are facing having their pension ages increased and also facing the very real possibility that the state pension becomes means tested.

I am 30 so well outside of the WASPI group, but I remember the adverts. TBH I suspect even if a letter had been sent many would have at best glanced at it and many would have put it straight in the bin.

If the letter was binned that's fine but it should have been sent. Any pension provider would have communicated a similar change in t&c

IKEAJesus · 17/12/2024 15:53

I agree with the decision, but then I don’t think the Ombudsman made the right call in the first place.

I have a lot of sympathy for the women (and men) who had their pension age raised from 65 to 66 with very limited notice but the increase in women’s pension age was communicated everywhere at the time, and if some women hadn’t been living under a rock they would have had plenty of time to plan.

The WASPI campaign also seem to completely ignore (or perhaps don’t care) that it’s not just their age group affected by the increase in pension age.

Gingertam · 17/12/2024 15:50

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/12/2024 15:20

@EmmaMaria Not sure about you "dear", but not being middle class my mother and grandmothers always worked. Home maker was not a luxury afforded to working class women.

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So true. I always roll my eyes at the "women didn't work" comments too. So many people can't see outside their own upbringing.

FuzzyPuffling · 17/12/2024 15:50

Michelle12A · 17/12/2024 15:46

Loosing your job is a lot worse than having a pension issue

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But we're talking about people who know stuff ( or don't) before they make certain decisions.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 17/12/2024 15:49

Being a woman still in my 50s - just - I had my retirement age pushed up from 60 to 65 back in the 1990s, (because I was born after 1960.) It was pushed up to 66 a few years later..

So I am struggling to care about the WASPI women. Especially as, in the late 1990s - several women at work who were several years older than me, laughed at me, when I was told I had to work to 65. (They only had to work til 60 because they were born before 1960.)

They stopped laughing when it all changed, and they had to work to the same age as me. (I started laughed.)

As I said, I'm struggling to care about them.

FuzzyPuffling · 17/12/2024 15:49

tfresh · 17/12/2024 15:41

WASPI women living up to the reputation of being the most entitled generation. They would literally see their grandchildren go to falling down schools if it means another cruise.

Complaining about getting better circumstances than their own children. It's insane.

This is just unpleasant. Like most generations there are haves and have lots. The notion that all women of a particular demographic are living it up and care nothing for anyone else is really offensive.

Wendolino · 17/12/2024 15:48

Vaxtable · 17/12/2024 13:54

Funny how Labour found the money to pay off the rail drivers et al, and £50m for syria and everything else, but suddenly it’s to much to find to make payment for an error a government department made?

This is it, exactly.

Vaxtable · 17/12/2024 15:48

They did make an error, letters were not forwarded, the whole point is women DID NOT know, certainly those that where first in line to be affected, those born in the late 50s where a bit better informed and had more chance to do something

not sending letters as they should have done is an ERROR

Michelle12A · 17/12/2024 15:46

FuzzyPuffling · 17/12/2024 15:31

Then why are we paying out far greater sums ( individually) to gay service personnel.who definitely knew the rules when they joined up?

Loosing your job is a lot worse than having a pension issue

GallyGaff · 17/12/2024 15:42

FuzzyPuffling · 17/12/2024 15:31

Then why are we paying out far greater sums ( individually) to gay service personnel.who definitely knew the rules when they joined up?

How much will that cost in total?

tfresh · 17/12/2024 15:41

WASPI women living up to the reputation of being the most entitled generation. They would literally see their grandchildren go to falling down schools if it means another cruise.

Complaining about getting better circumstances than their own children. It's insane.

FuzzyPuffling · 17/12/2024 15:31

orangegato · 17/12/2024 15:14

Would be fucking cheeky to pay out 10 BN when today’s youth won’t be retiring until their 70s.
The correct decision. Ignorance is no defence. I don’t get a letter each time the government fucks me over.

Then why are we paying out far greater sums ( individually) to gay service personnel.who definitely knew the rules when they joined up?

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/12/2024 15:20

@EmmaMaria Not sure about you "dear", but not being middle class my mother and grandmothers always worked. Home maker was not a luxury afforded to working class women.

SharpOpalNewt · 17/12/2024 15:16

My mum is older than these women, 85 now and not from privilege, from a working class background, worked all her life apart from when I was very little and knew exactly what her pension entitlement would be and when she would get it.

In fact if anything she was disadvantaged by rule changes allowing people to claim more pension when they had not worked for so many years when she always worked and paid in extra to make sure she had paid in enough to get the full pension. Other people had not paid in as much and now get the full pension.

I'm 20 years off state pension age and fully expect them to move the goalposts or get rid of it altogether by the time I get there.

orangegato · 17/12/2024 15:14

Would be fucking cheeky to pay out 10 BN when today’s youth won’t be retiring until their 70s.
The correct decision. Ignorance is no defence. I don’t get a letter each time the government fucks me over.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/12/2024 15:14

I actually think this is the right decision.

So much extra burden on the younger folks already.

Porcuporpoise · 17/12/2024 15:12

EmmaMaria · 17/12/2024 14:56

Absolutely not. I'd like to see the rich and corporations pay their proper contributions instead of avoiding them. The money Amazon gets away with would more than pay for this.

Maybe not every WASPI woman is poor (I am not) - but the vast majority are in the poorest sections of society, often with reduced pensions because "childcare was their job" as wives and mothers. They didn't have the luxury of a choice. Many didn't have the luxury of working.

The luxury of working? Poorer women have always worked, alongside raising a family.

I agree with this decision.

EmmaMaria · 17/12/2024 15:12

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/12/2024 15:04

@EmmaMaria so people who did not work for a lot of their adult life are pissed off at not being funded by current workers to get their pensions earlier? Fuck that frankly.

Now I have just heard it all - on MumsNet FFS. Women who raised children and kept homes "did not work for a lot of their lives"??? Those are your mothers and grandmothers you are speaking about and you want to suggest that they were lazy gits or kept women? Nothing screams that this site is a bastion of middle-class women than that comment alone.

BTW - I pay taxes dear, so it isn't just "current workers" who would fund the compensation that has been recommended by an ombudsmans independant review.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 17/12/2024 15:11

Some of these women may not have known - been living under a rock - but many did know.
It is not sensible to pay out for everyone in the relevant age group just because some of them didn't know.

I don't think we should be paying people compensation for taking no interest in the news for decades.

SleepDeprivedElf · 17/12/2024 15:09

Tough one. It's really poor to have an Ombudsman and then ignore their recommendations. Yet paying out £10 billion when public services are on their knees absolutely sucks for everyone.

Probably I think they've got it right. The Tories are guilty of maladministration for not paying any of these massive compensation bills during their tenure, as PPs have mentioned.

TheBestLackAllConviction · 17/12/2024 15:09

MichaelandKirk · 17/12/2024 13:52

I have to say I agree with the decision. The government dont have the money to spend and I have to be honest and say unless women were living under a rock how did they not get the information.

A couple of weeks the news were interviewing an elderly person who had just lost her late husband's pension. He had brought a single annuity. She didnt seem to understand that it was lost when he passed. She even mentioned that he took the 'higher' amount as two options had been offered but she only now knew what they really meant when her partner passed away.

That's very sad, but it could have been avoided if the person had taken responsibility for her own financial future by informing herself better or getting her own job/pension/annuity.

countrygirl99 · 17/12/2024 15:08

I'm a WASPI and quite happy with the decision.

EmmaMaria · 17/12/2024 15:05

MichaelandKirk · 17/12/2024 14:59

If we have such an issue with Amazon and them not 'paying their way' then boycott them. No, didnt think so!

There is a huge black market of cash in hand roles, people working in nail bars, car washed in barbers shop. They still look fully functioning and we are enabaling this by using them in the first place!

I do have an issue with Amazon - so I don't use them. I do not use nail bars or go to cash car washes (because they are often associated with trafficking), and I have never found any need to attend a barbers shop. So you may not think so, but you are wrong - I do. I also avoid using companies associated with child labour. I may not always know the misdeeds of every service that I use, but where I do then I try to do something about it, no matter how small. It's a known fact that Amazon do not "pay their way" and avoid legitmate tax claims. I am in favour of all the tax avoidance loopholes being closed. You are in favour of tax avoidance then?

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/12/2024 15:04

@EmmaMaria so people who did not work for a lot of their adult life are pissed off at not being funded by current workers to get their pensions earlier? Fuck that frankly.