To be surprised this potential miscarriage of justice isn’t given more prominence

You are right. She wasn't convicted on the basis of either a confession or any concrete evidence. Because neither were presented in court. Heard the one about post office employees being jailed for theft and fraud who have been exonerated despite (some) having admitted guilt to something they didn't do? How about Andrew Malkinson - served 17 years for something he didn't do and still awaiting compensation 3 years after his release?

I stand by what I have said - courts can get it wrong. I have no idea whether they did in this case or not, but I do not wish to live in a society where courts are not scrutinised, or where dictat or public opinion is the measure of justice.

Many of them have very dubious credentials and have examined only a fraction of the evidence.

These armchair experts happen to be professors, statistician, medics who have queried parts of the circumstantial evidence.

they probably do have a better understanding than lay people in the jury

Wow were you involved in the investigation?? You must have been to be so sure!!

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Except he hasn’t. Read the link I’ve posted above.

denies he 'changed his mind' in Letby case www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6l0dynz7zo Expert denies he changed his mind in Letby case So, her lawyers are lying. Excellent. And now they have a platform to spread their lies - a parenting forum which claims that the feelings of the dead babies’ parents aren’t important - as long as she gets her retrial.

Honestly the Ledby defenders should be ashamed of themselves posting this outright bullshit on a parenting site.

If a parent of one of her victims came on here would you actually have the audacity to tell them that their feelings weren’t important because in your (non expert) opinion she didn’t do it?

Given the terrible track record of mis carriage of justice on these types of cases - convictions on circumstantial evidence alone - I’m very dubious as to whether this is a safe conviction.

now that one of the prosecution expect witnesses has changed his mind on the evidence he gave at trail, I believe for at least 3 of the murders this may mean an appeal on the conviction

I respect your position on this. I may not agree but it’s a very, very difficult subject and case.

I think the truth’s already come out. If I never heard the name Lucy Letby again I’d be very happy.

I have no idea about Letby's guilt or innocence. I feel heart sick for the families of these babies though.

• First they had to deal with the stress and anxiety of delivering a premature and/or sick baby.

• Then baby, which seems to have stabilised, dies very suddenly. Family are told this is due to natural causes.

• Years later they are then told that no, it appears their sick, premature baby was in fact murdered and there is going to have to be a (very public) trial.

• The person whose responsibility it was to care for their sick child is then convicted of its murder and sent to prison for the rest of their life. Case closed.

• ... except it's not because the question of their guilt has never been out of the headlines since, with appeal after appeal mounted and 'experts' crawling out of the woodworks left, right and centre to question the safety of the conviction.

• So now the families may face potentially another trial, the outcome of which could end up being, 'whoops, your baby wasn't murdered after all - our bad' or 'we can't say for certain whether your baby was murdered or not. But the conviction is not safe and will be overturned'. In that case, there could be yet ANOTHER trial and a rinse and repeat of the whole process.

The stress and distress for these families is unfathomable.

That said, if it turns out there has been a miscarriage of justice, that too needs to be rectified, no matter the personal cost to all concerned.

I have to be honest it’s not what I believe happened. You have every right to your opinion and yes, she has been convicted but I think there has been a miscarriage of justice and I hope that there is a retrial and I hope the truth comes out.

this ‘girl’ is 34! your last sentence ignores judicial procedure for the sake of hyperbole

The truth is that they were murdered. And she murdered them.

I’d have said having your baby murdered is the “unimaginable trauma” and far worse.

I agree. Having lost a child myself it’s hard enough to go through that but I cannot imagine the pain to believe it had been intentional ? Those parents must be in turmoil

The only alternative to Letby having killed the babies is that they sadly died of natural causes related to their extreme vulnerability - which is what was originally concluded by post mortems in all cases. I think that would be a better (if such a word can be used) outcome for the families, surely?

But if she is innocent then nobody had their baby murdered ? They would have just been misled into believing that was the case. Sometimes it isn’t just about having an answer or a reason given it actually needs to be the real answer or reason. Those parents deserve for there to be a retrial as much, if not more than Lucy Letby. They need the truth.

Indeed.

When Letby was on the witness stand prosecution counsel asked why she cried over every point that involved her own emotions - like hearing the voice of he consultant she had an affair with, but rarely cried over any of the details about the poor babies.

Her response was "I cried about some of them!"

Why are there people like the OP who are so desperate for this woman to be innocent. It's so strange.

Having your baby murdered? Fairly sure that's worse...

Those cases from the 70s aren't comparable to this one.

She wasn't convicted based on a confession being beaten out of her.

The expert has spoken now.......and denies completely what her defence lawyers have said.

His comment is that their claims are "unsubstantiated, unfounded and inaccurate"

I’ve asked time and time again for somebody to show me a scrap of evidence that implicates this girl beyond coincidence. I am yet to see it.

You cannot convict someone on a whole life sentence on the scale of probability.

You cannot scape goat someone to cover up NHS mismanagement and/or to give the families someone to blame.

If there is evidence it needs to be heard regardless of who is upset. You cannot lock someone up for life to spare someone else’s feelings.

This is not a miscarriage of justice. She's guiity.

YWF? Really? That’s your opinion on why some people think she may be innocent?