Oh dear...Harry and Meghan's Christmas card photo

OMG how can you say that about children you haven't even seen? How do you know they are "gorgeous"??

I think the Wales children are pretty good looking, but then I have been able to see their faces!

Andrew wasn't always "a fat ugly fucker" (charming description!!) - he was actually an attractive man in his youth!

Even the late Queen said they were liars!

NAPAC knows from what we hear consistently on the support line just how damaging attempts to undermine and discredit their experiences are to survivors

^ A statement from the charity NAPAC in relation to Prince Andrew after his legal team minimised all those girls went through

Well said

I have reported the comment.
Courts say she was sex trafficked, And that she was raped and sexually abused.
Blaming a girl for her own abuse is terrible. I can not get over how awful that comment is.
Luckily the public generally agree with the courts and see her as a victim. A victim who donated most of the compensation she received to relevant charities.
Rich men have always claimed that girls and boys say he raped them to get money. Gary Glitter claimed this as have others convicted of rape and sexual abuse.

Honestly your comment is disgusting. A disgrace to minimise the rape and sexual abuse of girls.

Agreed

I haven't seen an Andrew defender for a while, if someone wants to go down that route that's up to them, but to besmirch trafficked victims, and to minimise it by calling it 'enticement' is shoddy. Luckily the justice system feels different to you

@UniqueOP you are wrong. Trafficking has never only covered cases where people are physically dragged somewhere and locked up.
The girl was sex trafficked i.e. flown to an island for a party and coerced into having sex with men.
You are minimising what happened. I wonder if you also minimise what happened to the girls in Rotherham since they were not physically dragged into flats and locked up?

Honestly your comment is disgusting. A disgrace to minimise the rape and sexual abuse of girls.

Trafficking used to mean forcibly taken somewhere and locked up, but the definition changed to be much wider. I think that the change doesn't give the victims who were forced their due. There should be a different charge, like enticement, for those whose physical liberty and freedom was not threatened.

She did have a bad early life, but at 14 she reunited with her dad and had a job at Mar-a-Lago by the time she was 17 and met Maxwell. Maxwell enticed her, but she could easily never have gone back once she realised the deal. She was very nearly a legal adult, and I do her the courtesy of pointing out that she had agency and a brain at age 17. She liked the money, and who wouldn't? It was a glittering lifestyle. I can see why she stayed for years, but to then extort money from rich men in addition to her handsome pay from Epstein is not on. Just suppose, for a moment, that Andrew didn't do it, and the worst he did was be really naive to be friends with Epstein. His life is ruined, while Virginia is sitting pretty on millions and millions. There are plenty of victims of sex trafficking who truly had no choice and who never earned a penny. And seeing how she lied about Dershowitz, I am really doubtful as to whether Andrew did do it. He's never gone for younger women in his personal life either.

Sorry I haven't read the full thread because it's v long! But I have seen the photo.

Who is the girl with the long black hair hugging Meghan? We just see her back and hair. She looks about 8 maybe? Anyone know who she is?

It's the card they are putting out publicly showing a recap of their year and their work. Total respect for them not putting their children out there. No matter what they'd have posted people would have been overly critical.

She was paid by Epstein, of course. Did you not know that? She was paid thousands upon thousands upon thousands, according to her. That's why she continued with the "job" despite not being a prisoner and going home to her dad every night. But since we've gone back to the Victorian era when women apparently have no agency whatsoever, she can be a victim, when the truth is that she didn't want to give up all that money. And in fact tried to earn more by recruiting much younger girls for Epstein.

We never got to the proof stage because the RF declined to go on public trial, like she gambled they wouldn't.

And why would she falsely accuse Dershowitz, if not to similarly extort? I smell a rat. It's hardly a stretch to call into question her integrity over the Andrew accusations, after that.

Agreed.

Obviously not. I responded to someone's long post about JE's victims

Not sure of anyone has seen anything they've done right though?!

Who was this? MM?

There's no point in talking about it... as I say you don't know her life, the fact she was homeless, raped and sexually abused at a young age before she met Maxwell. She lived in foster homes and on the street. JE and Maxwell knew she was vulnerable and groomed her. No, she and those girls weren't locked in basements in chains, but that doesn't mean they weren't trafficked as the court cases proved.

My post specifically mentioned Virginia only, not the other girls. Girls that she helped recruit, I might add.

Unlike victims of sex trafficking, Virginia was not forced or prevented from leaving the "job," nor was she locked in a room, starved, and forced to service men on a dirty mattress for no pay. If she's a victim of sex trafficking, with her millions and her ability to return home each night while on the job, what do we call those who suffered in situations such as I describe? We surely can't pretend there are no differences between what happened to Virginia and what happened to sex trafficking victims who were indeed locked in rooms, like the kind of thing that happened in certain British towns.

Her accusations about Dershowitz were lies in an attempt to extort money from him. I think she probably did the same to Andrew, knowing he'd have to cave or go through a really ugly public trial in which he'd have to describe his genitals etc.

I do think Virginia was lured into a bad situation at a young age, but she could have left. Let's not pretend she had zero agency. She stayed for the money.

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