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To rip MIL a new one?

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Someadvice · 16/12/2024 16:17

For some context I’m late 20’s, engaged to be married next year to DP. MIL is a difficult woman. She is interfering and struggled to cut the cord with DP.

We now have strong boundaries with her as if we didn’t she would attempt to interfere in every inch of our lives. I don’t dislike her but do struggle (as does my DP) with her in more than short doses.

My relationship with my own Mother is strained at best. She is a narcissist and I grew up in a volatile household. I was placed on the child protection register as a teenager due to neglect and I almost ended up in care. I am low contact with her and would prefer it if it was no contact but familial relationships make this impossible as she controls them all. She can be fine for a while and then she will do something that causes me extreme upset so it is better if I just do not communicate with her unless necessary.

MIL has taken it upon herself to try and forge a relationship with my Mother despite having never met her and despite being told not to. She found her on Facebook and will constantly message her with details of our lives. Telling her what we’re up to and that we’re going to see her and do things with her. This has been led to abusive messages from my own Mum asking why we never go and see her.

My DP has told his Mum time and time again to leave my Mother alone. I’ve heard him on the phone, I’ve seen messages, he’s even gone to her house and sat her down for a chat. Told her I don’t really get along with my own Mum and it’s difficult and she shouldn’t get involved. She listens for a bit and then it starts again. The straw has broke the camels back today and I’ve found out MIL has invited my Mum over for a Christmas trip out and my Mum has accepted. I am fuming. I have done so well and been through years of therapy to help work through my childhood and keep my Mother at arms length and MIL is ruining all of my progress.

She clearly is not listening to DP. We are due to visit her for our annual Xmas visit in a few days and I want to rip her head off. I genuinely do not want to fall out with her but I’m not sure how else to get through to her here?

OP posts:
PomandersandRedRibbon · 16/12/2024 17:36

Op, it's sad mil has done this I wonder if she doesn't understand and feels sorry for your mum.

Unfortunately I can't see any way around this other than immediately cutting mil off no phone calls or contact until she gets the message.
She can have a relationship with her son and his bride to be or your mum?

End of no negotiations just do it and mean it.

If mil kicks off very calm, I'm sorry but we told you not too and instead of respecting our wishes you are doing the opposite so it looks like you have made a choice.

I'd say this was extremely serious and unfortunately unless mil gets this message loud and clear it's immediately cutting contact.

Otherwise what's her motivation to listen??

Clarinet1 · 16/12/2024 17:35

Looking ahead I would be worried that, if the relationship between DM and MIL continues, MIL will facilitate DM seeing any DC behind the OP’s back which, presumably, OP would hate. Therefore I think NC may be the best option.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 16/12/2024 17:34

Nomorecoconutboosts · 16/12/2024 16:35

It may just be unfortunate wording but ripping someone a new one is suggestive of causing additional drama.
I have experience of both toxic mil and difficulties with my own mother - different to your experience but some parallels.
I invested a lot of focus into reducing the drama and in latter years commented to dh that not only was I not playing the ‘game’ with mil I had left the game long ago.

in your position I would be extremely low contact with mil (no need to keep explaining, she knows but she doesn’t care really). Short, low key visits, occasional not regular. Be mindful of your social media make sure she can’t get info from there.

It's more than just unfortunate wording.

WhatTheKey · 16/12/2024 17:34

"You are alienating me by consistently going against my wishes, and hurting me very much by having this relationship with my mother. It causes me great heartache and distress that you care so little for me that you have no qualms about causing me so much pain.
I don't feel like I want to see you as I know you'll continue to go against my express wishes, and your actions will affect our relationship for ever. You know that this is hurting me, and still you do it. It's unkind."

NZDreaming · 16/12/2024 17:33

Someadvice · 16/12/2024 17:13

I think the harder part of it to wrap my head around is that when she messages her it doesn’t look like it’s to snitch or bitch about us it’s more “oh I’m so proud of your beautiful daughter on her promotion at work what a lovely job you did of raising such a lovely woman” and then my Mum will screenshot it and use it as a stick to beat me with.

MIL genuinely comes across as so oblivious to everything and I’m not sure if it’s all an act to get away with it or she really is like that. I’m very aware that my own upbringing has probably made me hold onto this situation a bit more as I didn’t have someone to show me how a healthy Mother parent relationship should be, and I think my longing for that has lead me to be more forgiving. You are all right though, I am not going to see her this Xmas. I will speak to DP about it when he’s home.

@Someadvice those that have never experienced toxic familial relationships and associated trauma often struggle to comprehend the severity, impact and reality of what you lived through. It’s so alien to them and maybe your mum presents as so ‘normal’ that it makes it seem implausible to MIL that what you experienced was really all that bad.

It may be that your MIL really is that oblivious, it may be that she is being cruel either way it doesn’t matter as the outcome is the same regardless of her intent. Even if it is a lack of understanding her bullish attitude and thought process of ‘I’m right’ makes what she is doing ultimately cruel.

She is hurting you and despite being told multiple times, is refusing to do anything to prevent you further harm. She has been warned, time to block on social media and cut off all contact. Show her actions have consequences, she clearly isn’t going to understand any other way.

Edited to add:: I also agree with other posters that she needs to know very clearly why you have issues with your mother, she may be under some illusion she can fix this as she likes to interfere. If she really does know the reason for low contact then there’s no excuse for what she’s doing.

DaringLion · 16/12/2024 17:30

TravelInsuranceQ · 16/12/2024 16:49

Agree with other posters - stop talking to, communicating with and seeing your MIL
Then she will have nothing to tell your mother.
It sounds like your DP has your back, but make sure he doesn't weaken and tell your MIL anything either.
If you're planning to have children, imagine how back this interference will be then - you need to put a huge distance between you and your MIL now
And don't tell them anything more about your wedding
Good luck!

Exactly this

JustHiker · 16/12/2024 17:29

Your MiL is either a stone cold idiot or she is doing this maliciously. Either way, she's not a safe person to share any personal info with.

As a stop gap until you can consider going NC with your mum, could you get a new SIM or dumb phone with a number only she has? Something that would keep her nasty messages away from the rest of your life and in a place where you can choose to read them when you need/want to

NiftyKoala · 16/12/2024 17:26

MultilingualMummy · 16/12/2024 16:22

rather than ripping her head off, just don’t visit her and cut contact all the way down. that will be way more effective. You screaming at her, however justified will simply validate her that you’re unreasonable. Leave her to enjoy Christmas with your mother.

This. Nothing will help but going super low to NC

BestZebbie · 16/12/2024 17:26
  1. Ime it is totally normal for the parents (mothers) of a married couple to forge their own independent relationship/friendship and for that to include discussing the couple/any grandchildren as well as other things. This could well include meeting up for a day out together, etc.

  2. In this case if your MIL has been told specifically about issues in very explicit, non-euphemistic terms (child protection order etc) and the trouble it would cause you to share information in this way, then she is still being unreasonable.
    She may (due to point 1) believe that you are BU to try to prevent her having that relationship of her own and that you two don't get to control who she can be friends with, but in this case if it causes harm to you (which you must demonstrate to her by explaining about email comeback etc so she understands) then she has to choose one or the other (and it should be you and her son that she picks!).
    Be aware that if you cut her off and she carries on seeing your mum then she will only be hearing her side of the story and might become concerned for her own son - feeling that you are an evil cutter-off of perfectly nice mothers and have now led her son astray and forced him to cut her off too.

stuckdownahole · 16/12/2024 17:25

ginasevern · 16/12/2024 16:29

I think you and your fiance need to make the position much, much clearer. If your fiance is saying things like "she doesn't really get along with her mother", your MIL probably thinks you've just had a typical mother/daughter tiff. You both need to tell her that there could be very serious consequences if she doesn't stop. This isn't a game and if she continues you will have to go low contact with her too.

This is probably good advice even if difficult to take.

If your MIL is rather thick, prone to interfering in her own children's lives, and a bit bored, she might take it upon herself to bring the family together. She'll be imagining some sort of perfect Disney Christmassy ending.

Some people just totally lack the ability to read between the lines. She's probably thinking "Oh! Sometimes my children get cross with me!" (which sounds likely ...) and imagining the same kind of scenario, not an abusive one. I know it goes against the grain to tell this insensitive woman such deep personal details, but if you marry her son she'll probably find out eventually anyway.

Manara · 16/12/2024 17:21

I wonder if MIL sees it as a back handed way to get at you? She says ostensibly nice things to your mother about you, knowing that your mum will attack you over them. Then MIL gets to act butter wouldn't melt because she can't possibly be at fault because she said nice things.

FOJN · 16/12/2024 17:20

Stop seeing MIL all together. She has been told not to contact your mum and far from stopping she is escalating. It's not that she doesn't understand the request but that she is ignoring it. You can't make her stop contacting your mum but you don't have to see her or tell her anything about your life.

Don't feel bad about the dysfunctional dynamics in both yours and your partners families, some families are like that and the best thing you can do is break the pattern by not engaging.

winter8090 · 16/12/2024 17:19

I wonder why MIL does this. Have you ever asked her?

It sounds like she had minimal information I. Your life. I would leave her to your mum. Let them do whatever they like and keep them both at arms length. Does share anything with MIL that you don't want getting back to your mother.

Itiswhysofew · 16/12/2024 17:19

MIL has really crossed a line. I'd be concerned as to what she's hoping to achieve by being so interfering.

As she's been asked multiple times not to get involved with your mother, let her know that you won't be present where your mother is, which includes Christmas gatherings. If she continues to interfere, have limited contact with her. What else can you do when she's so determined?

CheekyHobson · 16/12/2024 17:18

MIL genuinely comes across as so oblivious to everything and I’m not sure if it’s all an act to get away with it or she really is like that.

If you have clearly explained to her that your mother behaves like this in response to positive messages, any adult of basic intelligence should be able to understand why she needs to stop sending messages.

If she is continuing to do so despite having had this explained to her, there is an element of either vindictiveness or saviour-complex power-gaming involved.

Porkyporkchop · 16/12/2024 17:18

I would cut her off and go totally nc. She is stirring up trouble to get at you, as there is no other explanation for her speaking to a woman who has nothing to do with her.
tell DP he can do what he likes, but you are not visiting her and you want nothing shared with her about you ever again!

LookItsMeAgain · 16/12/2024 17:17

Set boundaries with MiL that both you and your DP (soon to be DH) can manage easily.

First off, restrict her access to your social media posts. You can post what you like but she is blocked/heavily restricted on what she can see.
Next, don't reward behaviour like her recent 'clever' arrangement with you visiting. That is an immediate line in the sand and you stay put.

She will stamp her feet and throw a hissy fit because you're no longer playing ball here but if you repeat the same message but this time refuse to engage with her when she pulls stunts like this, then she'll eventually learn. She may even recruit other relatives and relations to try to bring you back in line. Refuse to engage with any of them. A simple "If this is about MiL/Mum, I'd rather we not muddy the waters between us discussing it. I'm dealing with her separately on this. What can I do for you though?" and diffuse the situation by not engaging with them about this issue.

I'd even go so far as to say to her that her invite to your wedding hangs in the balance.

The next thing I would do is put her on an information diet - only share information with her that you wouldn't mind having sky written. If she shares that, then there is no harm.

It all starts with you and your DP/DH and how you manage things from this point onwards.

Have a look on here and on Reddit for the analogy about not rocking the boat because I think it fits this scenario perfectly.

SpryCat · 16/12/2024 17:15

You and your Dp put boundaries down so she is going out of her way to spite you by making trouble for you. She lives by her rules AND nobody tells her what she can and can’t do!
Cut contact immediately, block her and your mum on all social media and phone, if Dp wants to go, that’s his decision but he will have to make sure nothing gets back to her.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 16/12/2024 17:14

Where does mil get her information from about your life? She doesn’t need to know anything except what you choose to tell her.
Make sure all your SM is licked down so she can’t access.And go quiet on your wedding as it concerns no one else at all. If asked anything you and DP should be vague.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 16/12/2024 17:14

We are due to visit her for our annual Xmas visit in a few days and I want to rip her head off.

None of you go on this annual visit this year. Your DP has to support you in this otherwise it won’t work. She has to start missing out to realise you are all deadly serious. Ripping her one won’t work because she likes the drama. DP can go on his own but I’d take a dim view of him not supporting you.

Dollybantree · 16/12/2024 17:13

Someadvice · 16/12/2024 16:28

I have already cut contact right down with MIL, I last saw her over 6 months ago for BILs birthday. DP and I usually have an annual tradition of seeing her on a certain date before Christmas for a mini celebration and I was going to go but I think you are all right. Actions speak louder than words here.

It sounds like she actively going out of her way to make friend with your dm as revenge for you stealing her ds and then being low contact.

What a vindictive, nasty cow. If this were my dh and his dm acted the same he would've ripped her a new one himself. How dare she.

Someadvice · 16/12/2024 17:13

I think the harder part of it to wrap my head around is that when she messages her it doesn’t look like it’s to snitch or bitch about us it’s more “oh I’m so proud of your beautiful daughter on her promotion at work what a lovely job you did of raising such a lovely woman” and then my Mum will screenshot it and use it as a stick to beat me with.

MIL genuinely comes across as so oblivious to everything and I’m not sure if it’s all an act to get away with it or she really is like that. I’m very aware that my own upbringing has probably made me hold onto this situation a bit more as I didn’t have someone to show me how a healthy Mother parent relationship should be, and I think my longing for that has lead me to be more forgiving. You are all right though, I am not going to see her this Xmas. I will speak to DP about it when he’s home.

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HolidayHattie · 16/12/2024 17:11

If you go to the Christmas meet-up, you might find that - surprise! - you mother is there too. Sounds like MIL would thing it a good idea to bring you both together.

Don't go.

Pancakeflipper · 16/12/2024 17:10

My sympathies.
Your MIL.is out of order. She knows the relationship is strained, she's been asked repeatedly to butt out.
Cancel attending the event.

I have a struggling relationship with my mother (used to physically attack when I was younger, very critical narc tendencies etc.). My MIL used to invite my mother and father round for dinner parties (DP and I didn't go as don't live near them). I hated it. I couldn't explain why but it enraged me.

Hannaahhhh · 16/12/2024 17:10

Cut all contact, she's insane.

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