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Our cousins took our inheritance and gave it to their mother, I feel I can't carry on acting as if nothing has happened

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NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 11:17

My deceased mother had brothers and a sister. One deceased brother and the surviving sister (i.e. our aunt) had kids. We used to go on shared holidays twice a year with our aunt's kids, we've always got on well.

Our bachelor uncle died 2 years ago, with no will. When we were chatting a few months later, my aunt's eldest told me that they were going to try to "so what my uncle would have wanted". I assumed my cousin would contact me and my sister in the future to discuss this, since they would need us to sign off anything that would change the legally defined distribution (which is 1/6 each to me and my sister), since it would be a criminal offence to do otherwise, which my cousin must know, since their spouse is a director of a legal company.

A few months after my uncle died, my sister was diagnosed with incurable cancer, with months, possibly a year or two to live. She had to go on sick leave for the chemo and radiation treatment, etc. After 6 months, her sick pay dropped to 50%, and after a year was due to end. She asked me what was happening with our uncle's estate, this being around 18 months after he died, with the house sold 6 months previously. I had received no updates, so she sent a facebook message to our cousin who was dealing with the estate, asking for an update and she described her health/finance situation. To our surprise, our cousin told us that they had given all the money to my aunt, rather than the 1/3 share the law defined.

I was baffled why they'd do this without getting legal documents with our consent first. Before I had a chance to form any further opinion, my cousins blocked my sister on messenger and unfriended her on Facebook. I assume that they think that she has done something so awful that she should be shunned and disowned.

Since then, my sister has had no birthday cards from them or my aunt, and no Christmas cards so far, whereas they've carried on liking my family updates on facebook, and have sent me cheery Christmas cards which arrived a couple of days ago. My sister is dwelling on the idea that they've lied on the probate forms, pretending that our mother never existed.

I just feel queasy and sick about it, how can I carry on as normal with them, or visit them at Christmas, even though my sister has told me she doesn't want this to oblige me to distance myself.
I want to explain to them how upsetting this has been, I've lost lots of sleep over this over the past few months, but now Christmas is coming, I feel I should say something, surely if I don't it will look like tacit agreement that I agree with their actions.

I was thinking of writing to my cousin, telling them how unhappy and sad this makes me feel. I feel that they have been so unfair in acting as if my sister has done something wrong, whereas they did not tell us what they planned (hence us having to ask for an update), whereas they have in fact committed a criminal offence (which I might not highlight). I had been wishfully imagining that my aunt might be unaware of all this, but then when I woke up too early again today fretting about this, I realised that if she hasn't sent my sister a Christmas card, then she must know all about it.

Initially I had been thinking for months to send a letter explaining how I feel to my cousin. Then after realising that my aunt must know about this, I've been trying to write a letter to send to my aunt this morning, to send with a Christmas card, since she asked how we are in the card she sent to me.
Surely that's the best option. Then I felt ill writing it, then decided to ask for advice here.

I definitely can't just carry on as normal, and I don't think I can say nothing.

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AuntyEntropy · 16/12/2024 12:46

Would you be prepared to hand over your share of the inheritance to your struggling sister? I'm just asking because that might put you on a better moral footing to fight this on her behalf.

Then I'd send a letter to cousin and aunt, and also ring them saying "I gather from DSis that all of Uncle X's estate has been given to Aunt. As you must know, that is not the correct legal position. If you had asked me and my sister to formally relinquish our share on the basis that it's what uncle X would have wanted then we would have considered it. But instead you have ignored us and written our DMum out of history. In addition, DSis's illness has left her in a financially difficult position and she now really needs her share of the inheritance [and mine as well which I will hand over to her / optional].

If you are not prepared to distribute Uncle X's estate in accordance with the law I'm afraid we will have to seek legal assistance."

Dotto · 16/12/2024 12:45

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:39

no, I need to talk to my sister again about this, she didn't seem keen to sue, but I should discuss it again I think

The process isn't about suing. That would be a private action.

Think of the probate court as more like a government dept with legal powers to compel the admistrator to act according to the rules, and to order the admistrators to compensate you where the estate has been distributed incorrectly.

Give them a ring and find out what they can do. You probably don't have to pay.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/12/2024 12:45

Ultimately OP, you need to decide whether to sue the executor for your share of the estate, or let it go.

Personally I would sue them for it, but then I never let anything go.

I think your relationship is dead either way.

ARichtGoodDram · 16/12/2024 12:45

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:35

I have a copy of the grant of probate, the estate admins are my cousin+spouse, my cousin told my sister that all the cash has already been sent to my aunt "as next of kin".

Is this the spouse that works for a legal firm?

what do they do? Are they someone whose job/career will be massively impacted by committing fraud?

If so I’d write to both of the administrators reminding them of their personal liability to distribute the estate within the intestacy laws and give them 7/14/28 days to do so or you’ll be forced to go down legal routes.

Now, even if you don’t intend to go down the legal route this is a free way to remind them that you know they’ve broken the law, you know they are personally responsible and you could sue.

I had to do this and the realisation that their carer would be fucked saw the money land in my account very quickly!

westisbest1982 · 16/12/2024 12:44

Why the hell are you bothered about a possible reconciliation with these people, or thinking about going to see them next week, when they have - to put it bluntly - fucked you both over? They don't give a shit about you and your sister.

Please book an appointment to see a solicitor.

FizzyBisto · 16/12/2024 12:44

This is also something very important to consider, but which is often overlooked, when it comes to inheritance: anything (whether of financial or just sentimental value) that goes to one person will almost certainly then eventually pass to their children.

It may seem 'obvious' that the single surviving sibling was the closest to the deceased person, and so should get it all; but although it may be tacitly understood that, when they die, it will then all be split equally between all of the family of the next generation down - all of the originally-deceased person's nieces and nephews or grandchildren - but this virtually never happens in reality. This is one major reason why the intestacy law is set up as it is.

To add: going on how they've conducted things, I'm confident that the cousins will have been well aware of this all along. However much they may insist that it should all have gone to their mother, as his only surviving sibling, without a doubt, they will have been reckoning on it ending up with them after her death.

LoveTheDarts · 16/12/2024 12:43

'Your estate is divided equally between the nearest equal relationship - so that will the the sister. Look it up - I was in law'

Were you the tea lady @NavyTurtle ?

Nazzywish · 16/12/2024 12:42

It's this type of dithering that's probably made them feel empowered to divide it as they saw fit and bit how they should have.

Be direct- ask where your and sisters share is ? And if they ignore or reply that it's gone elsewhere- engage a solicitor to wrote the initial letter and that should be enough to scare them to put it right. Do it before they tie the money up elsewhere. Tbh OP I can't believe you've left your poor sister whose already suffering so much having to wait if that was my sibling and she was struggling so much to ask I wouldn't be caring about what my aunt thought right now if they've effectively stolen from my dying sibling!

AnonymousBleep · 16/12/2024 12:41

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:35

I have a copy of the grant of probate, the estate admins are my cousin+spouse, my cousin told my sister that all the cash has already been sent to my aunt "as next of kin".

So they've clearly lied about the existence of your mum.

What despicable people. Please follow this up OP and get the money for yourself and your sister. As others have said, if your uncle genuinely wanted this outcome, he'd have made a will stating it. He didn't. And your greedy cousin and spouse have not only made sure the money will eventually come to them, but they've actually had the gall to cut off your terminally ill sister because she dared ask about it. Awful, awful people.

You need to protect your sister now. The right thing to do is to get the money that is rightfully yours. These arseholes clearly expect you just to meekly roll over (and tbh it looks like they're not wrong about that). Don't let them!

oakleaffy · 16/12/2024 12:41

THIS is why it's crucial for anyone with property to leave a will, properly drawn up and witnessed.

MounjaroOnMyMind · 16/12/2024 12:40

You shouldn't talk to the cousins about this but you should instruct the solicitor to take it further. What a bloody cheek they have.

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:39

Dotto · 16/12/2024 12:38

Have you contacted the court?

They can compel the admistrator to comply with the rules of intestacy.

no, I need to talk to my sister again about this, she didn't seem keen to sue, but I should discuss it again I think

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Dotto · 16/12/2024 12:38

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:35

I have a copy of the grant of probate, the estate admins are my cousin+spouse, my cousin told my sister that all the cash has already been sent to my aunt "as next of kin".

Have you contacted the court?

They can compel the admistrator to comply with the rules of intestacy.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/12/2024 12:36

MounjaroForChristmas · 16/12/2024 12:32

Your estate is divided equally between the nearest equal relationship - so that will the the sister. Look it up - I was in law.

If you were ever "in law" you'd know better than to give incorrect advice online and pass yourself off as some sort of expert. This is shocking.

Worked in the post room at a firm of solicitors, possibly.

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:35

Zilla1 · 16/12/2024 12:12

OP, eventually you will realise and come to terms with the fact that your relations are solely focused on the money to their benefit so the notion of trying to perform politeness dances with your family will just encourage them to see weakness and ignore you. If not, they would have proactively communicated what and why they thought whichever foolish executor apparently decided to ignore intestacy rules choose to favour one family member. There are obligations on the executor who made any distributions that do not comply with intestacy. They may try and put forward a false instrument,

Are you certain who the executor was? If not, perhaps look for the grant of probate from the Probate Registry? If the cousins have gone completely off piste, do you know anyone who could approach the cousin and say there's some outstanding money owed to the deceased and they need to know who the executor is? Depending on exactly what the family have done and told any banks and/or the Land Registry, you might have a better idea about how to progress this.

I have a copy of the grant of probate, the estate admins are my cousin+spouse, my cousin told my sister that all the cash has already been sent to my aunt "as next of kin".

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Stretchanoctave · 16/12/2024 12:35

With respect you need to stop being so passive and do something. If you don't want to consult a solicitor then write to your cousin and express how you feel and that you are going to consult a solicitor. Stop worrying about their feelings and do what is right for your sister.

SamPoodle123 · 16/12/2024 12:34

Sorry, but why would you leave this up to your cousins to sort? So many people fall out over money and inheritance. I would never ever just assume someone would sort it all fairly. You should have shown up to deal with the paperwork alongside your cousins.

FizzyBisto · 16/12/2024 12:33

NavyTurtle · 16/12/2024 12:09

Your estate is divided equally between the nearest equal relationship - so that will the the sister. Look it up - I was in law.

This is correct IF your sibling had been your only sibling, or if any other siblings had already died without descendants.

Once you exist and have descendants, your own subsequent death doesn't change anything - everything that was yours and would later have been inherited by you will rightfully go to your children, notwithstanding any will that YOU may have made to the contrary.

The cousins are nasty liars, saying "Do what Uncle would have wanted" - if he didn't make a will, he can't have been all that fussed about what he wanted (or possibly he was happy with how intestacy law would dispose of his estate for him).

This is a similar principle as with people who choose not to marry but then somehow expect the law to know/assume/guess whom they would theoretically have wanted to be treated as though they were a spouse. In both scenarios, you have only two choices: either you take the necessary basic legal steps to make your wishes clear (make a will or marry) or otherwise you accept that the authorities will make the decision for you, based on strict laid-down procedures.

Kerrylass · 16/12/2024 12:33

I think you need to find your anger OP. The last thing id be worried about is their feelings when they have shown you, they care very little for yours. Considering the dire health of your sister makes their actions even more despicable.

MounjaroForChristmas · 16/12/2024 12:32

Your estate is divided equally between the nearest equal relationship - so that will the the sister. Look it up - I was in law.

If you were ever "in law" you'd know better than to give incorrect advice online and pass yourself off as some sort of expert. This is shocking.

piscofrisco · 16/12/2024 12:27

Well solicitor first. Then depending on what they say you could speak to your relatives and tell them to expect a letter from your legal-as there are some concerns re the willl?

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 16/12/2024 12:26

Do you really want to have a relationship with people who would treat your terminally ill sister like that.

I would send them a letter letting them know if it is not resolved by 1st January (ie you and your sister receive your shares into your bank accounts) you will have to take legal action. I would highlight that your sister is terminally ill and defrauding her at this time is unforgivable.

If you don’t need the money yourself give it to your sister, does she have children. It is awful that they would treat her like that.

Cailleach1 · 16/12/2024 12:25

NeshButUpNorth · 16/12/2024 12:10

it's around £90k-£100k I think, so 1/6 would be £15k or so each

Gosh, I’d definitely pursue it. Whether you first wish to approach them to give them the opportunity to put it right, and then pursue it if they refuse to do so. Even if you don’t want your share, your sister could be relieved of money worries at a critical time.

If the executor pays it out from their own resources, it is only because they denied you and your sister of your rightful inheritance in the first place. They appropriated it. They are looking after themselves too, as they will be the sole beneficiaries of it in the long run. Imagine blocking a cousin with cancer because they themselves pulled a fast one. Many people wouldn’t be so callous with a stranger. It’s rock bottom for your sister and they have treated her appallingly. I wouldn’t be under the illusion they have any family feelings towards you or your sister.

Sunshineandoranges · 16/12/2024 12:25

We nearly had this when a relative died and my aunt who was in contact with the deceased relative told the solicitor there were no other living relatives. My uncle spotted one of the ads in the paper asking whether anyone knew of living relatives of the deceased relative. My mum was dead so my two sisters and I shared her portion. Interestingly the advertisement was placed in the South London Press newspaper although the relative was in Devon. I think initially I would contact the aunt directly by a recorded letter saying that by law you and your sister were due part of the inheritance and that you now want her to pay you your share. Follow up if you don’t hear back with another letter saying if you have to take it to court it will be your share, plus interest,plus a payment for stress caused and your legal costs. If she agrees to pay ask to see paperwork showing what was left after probate.

Zilla1 · 16/12/2024 12:24

You seem to understand jurisdiction, OP. The PPs who provide definitive advice without being certain of your location and presuming the law is the same as where they live should be an eye-opener.

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