Part 2 Sara Sharif case-update-horrifying

Apart from being locked in a cell for 23 hours a day until they are old, and in Urfan’s case, probably the end of his natural life.

They can stew in their own misery.

There isn’t really any actual justice for the prolonged ill treatment and loss of life of a child, so incarceration that keeps them away from any other potential victim, and robs them of meaningful life will do for me.

So in essence they've got away with it

I should imagine they will both request to be segregated. Child murderers aren't particularly popular inside.

And some families from EVERY culture see women as inferior!! "We" don't know anything of the sort! I hope you start mingling with people from different cultures and educate yourself from your sweeping and unfortunately racist generalisations.

You've just said yourself that she was targeted as a female. And my reference to the son was hypothetical. Ie, if he had a son the same age as Sara. Of course there is misogynistic traits across all cultures. But we know this misogyny is a lot more prevalent in the Pakastani community. And I didn't say ALL Pakastsni families, but many families do look upon females to be the inferior sex, especially the men, and to suggest otherwise is brushing the problem under the carpet, and allowing schools to turn a blind eye to issues due to 'cultural differences'.

Making a generalised prejudiced comment about nearly 2 billion Muslims or 250 million Pakistani people is what’s lazy and uneducated.

Sara was targeted because she was female yes but that’s a misogynistic trait across all cultures. The judge said one of the factors was because Sara wasn’t Beinash’s child, which gave Urfan carte blanche to target her. Urfan had 2 daughters with Beinash who were not abused.

Also note Sara’s older brother (Olga’s son) was old enough to have his own car so would have been more difficult to target.

It's a classic but extreme case of scapegoating one member of a family for the whole families problems, spoken and unspoken.

It's got nothing to do with race.

Unfortunately I do think you need to get involved in your local community and interact with people from different cultures because what you are saying is false. Yes there are sexist misogynistic people in every culture (Andrew Tate anyone?) but the majority of Muslim families treat their daughters equally and encourage all to be educated to a high level.

Just because you've seen a woman down the road wearing a hijab does not mean she's oppressed.

How do you actually know? This is untrue! You don't actually know or have spoken to any.

Not a racist comment at all. A lazy and uneducated statement. Many Pakistani males value women a lot less. Both their wifes and daughters. We see it on our streets everyday. Women not allowed near other men limiting their social life. Covering their faces against their wishes. Prevented from working. Conditioned to note that the men are superior. Until this is recognised and addressed then there is always going to be situations where women in their community are abused. Because theyre viewed as worthless. I stand by my comment that had their child been male this would not have happened. What happened to that poor girl is beyond appalling.

I said upthread I don’t believe they thought she had a jinn either but personally I don’t think anyone who suggests that is necessarily justifying or excusing it.

Because even if they did think that - surely that’s part of the abuse itself? To be telling a young girl she’s a demon is very abusive and horrific.

There was zero excuse for their evil and inhumanity. This poor child 💔 what a life she had.

Try telling that to YouTube /daily mail, every time I go on there I’m appalled the amount of people who think they are sympathising with Sara by leaving racist comments under her news story.

Or maybe they don’t think that they are sympathising with her- they simply don’t care and are using the news as an excuse.

I mean it’s not as if there are ever any white, Black, mixed race couples etc in the news for child murder - it’s just Pakistani 🙄

As someone who used to work in social services I think we have a big issue worldwide in society not acknowledging and accepting how widespread child abuse is

Exactly. They just didn’t want the heat and the spotlight on them.

I’m yet to hear the grandfather speak out against his son and express sadness for Sara’s murder.

I wasn’t aware that they thought Sara was a jinn/demon. That’s awful and explains a lot.

I doubt they genuinely believed she was a demon but they probably repeated the narrative to each other to try and justify their barbaric actions.

I could absolutely believe the wider family was on board with this. It would help explain the relative lack of outcry from them about what happened to their niece.

The level of protection will be huge. In my experience, they’ll be in a unit where there’s a locked gate to a locked door, to a locked lobby, to a locked corridor, to a locked cell…literally layers of protective measures to keep them safe.

I don’t think many people care whether these two (three?) live or die, but they segregate them for the smooth running of the prison - basically, to avoid riots and a murder in prison grounds.

All meals will be delivered to them, medical staff will do “home calls”, laundry done for them. They’ll have a TV/books etc available and will have a larger cell as they’ll spend their whole day there.

They'll lock the prison down for visits or agent meetings (meetings with their lawyers if they appeal their sentence) to protect them from others. Even staff contact is limited as I suppose there’s always potential that they could cause harm too.

It’s shit, but that’s the reality. They’re in zero danger.

I had a feeling that would be the case, and that makes me so so so angry that they will be protected.

Yes they will be protected and segregated. They won’t come into contact with any other prisoner (even the meek, elderly, cowardly child sex offenders who are housed in protection units).

Down the line when the media has forgotten Sara, they might eventually go to a protective wing with the rapists and molesters, but this won’t be anytime soon.

This is why the people wishing for them to have a hard time in prison are, unfortunately, hoping for something that is very unlikely to happen.

Where on earth have you got that from? I work with loads of successful Muslim women and they are supported and loved! That comment is a little ignorant, how many do you know?

I don't understand why the courts took her from her mum? What happened here? Should she have been in foster care if concerns about both, think I missed something.

Will they be put in isolation in prison and kept away from other prisoners? I'm not sure how it works with high profile cases like this. I pray someone is waiting to torture them inside like they did to Sara

Thanks, I didn't realise Sara's mum was polish. I guess that explains the glamorous photo compared to the one of her head covered in a scarf.

There were other female children in the household who were treated well. They scapegoated Sara, partly as she wasn't Batools, partly because she was a girl, but it seems they just took a dislike to her and wanted a scapegoat

The jinn comment was mentioned once, it doesn't appear to have been something the parents were focused on or genuinely believed but more about her being 'othered'.

These kind of dynamics happen in other households too, including white western ones. There have been enough cases in the news of child deaths recently, before anyone claims that I'm minimising a 'racial element'

This isn’t a thread for racists to opportunistically use a little girl’s death for their own purposes.

The vast majority of Pakistani parents love their daughters and sacrifice a lot for them.