What was your position on Amber Heard & Johnny Depp

I think they were both as bad as each other, it was a horrible, toxic relationship.

I absolutely loved Johnny Depp when I was a teenager but I'm so sick and tired of people idolizing famous people and refusing to except that they are not perfect. It's depressing.

Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, big sports stars like Coby Bryant etc. It's so childish to not be able to see past the fame.

I believe her followed to first trial

saw the videos of him in the kitchen

the horrific misogyny towards her by his pr team

there have been many rumours of his drunken/drugged up behaviour over the years

when be is no longer bankable to studios we shall hear a lot more

I love how someone who uses a surrogate to have a baby is usually the devil incarnate on MN, but not AH, apparently.

I'm sorry, I don't disagree with you, but describing cutting off someone's finger as "very naughty behavior" made me cackle. 😂

I thought they were as bad as one another, it was a mutually abusive relationship between two people who should never have got together in an ideal world. That they parted should have been enough, the article was a bad move and so was the court case

The press and the public interest in the case was utterly vile though

Basically I think they are both terrible people who were in an extremely toxic violent relationship. I think she tried to cash in on the abuse and then he retaliated publicly.

Sums it up perfectly.

My opinion is that abuse cases are not entertainment and watching abuse victims suffer for your own personal satisfaction is quite sickening and this case armed abusers because of the power it gave them. I find it awful that anyone watched it.

Her first was a surrogacy birth, it's not been confirmed if she is pregnant or is using a surrogate again this time

I think it shows that no matter your power, standing or celebrity, drink and drugs to that level of excess reduce you to the same grubby level as those we'd avoid in the street.

I have always found him creepy. That hasn't changed.

But she went all out to win him on the party girl fun his wife didn't offer and strangely enough, that ended badly for them both.

I think if she'd been more like Katie Holmes and got on with life without him, she'd probably have gained more support in the long term. Allow him to show his own strange, controlling and addictive behaviour to the world.

The need to tell it from the strange op ed (pretentious in itself) got it off on the wrong foot and she kept going. A bit like Megan Markle, I wonder how good (or not) she is at taking advice.

That said, I think there was wrongdoing on both parts. She shouldn't have set herself up as saintly and just because she did so, she's not the devil. He is fucked up and doesn't deserve to be hero worshipped.

He was an older man who should have known better when it came to her influence. She was naive in dealing with an addict and didn't seem to appreciate that if you encourage it so far, there's no stopping (but perhaps that is tied to her own addictive tendencies rather than malice).

Either way it was a toxic relationship that should never have been.

Amber was the only one previously arrested for domestic abuse.

Amber admitted to punching Johnny and then mocked him for it on tape.

She also publicly lied about donating funds to abuse victims.

It's interesting that she's not seen as an abuser.

Not innocent or guilty of lying as a victim, but as an abuser herself.

She didn't have her first child, did she?

a few posters have said that how he treated past partners is irrelevant . Obviously theres always a first time but wasn't calling past partners to testify to show there was no pattern of violent behaviour in previous relationships ? I also didn't think that witnesses such as Kate Moss can choose whether or not they want to give evidence or am i wrong ?

I think both lied at trial. Both were violent no idea who was violent first but its a good thing for both that the relationships over .

My position?
Why should I care about them?
I can't understand how posters can invest so much emotional energy in this

I think they were both abusive but she definitely manipulated the situation. The fake bruising, the photographing/filming the situation to prove her narrative (a truly abused woman would be too scared/traumatised to think of filming stuff in the moment). The "pledging" to donate the money that never happened, the shitting on the bed.

He's not innocent but she wasn't the completely blindsided victim she tried to portray. A lot of the time she knew what she was doing/almost relishing in filming/photographing it to suit her own narrative.

You seem very invested

The film isn't really about domestic abuse though.. it's not some serious film at all.. it's a romance. Colleen hoover writes romance and quite a lot of it is completely morally fucked. I'm not against that, I think it can be fun and she can write what she wants.. but let's not pretend this film was something it wasn't it's camp trash akin to 50 shades of grey or Flowers in the Attic. The domestic violence on it is thinly covered porn. "Oh no the two really hot men are fighting over me!!" "He's just so obsessed with me that he's driven to violence!" It's absolute fantasy. It's not gritty realism. I say this as someone who has experienced domestic violence. And I also say his as someone who enjoyed the film for the nonsense it was.
So I just think it was bizarre the way people came for Blake Lively over the way she promoted the film. It really isn't a deep film. Her name is Lilly Blossom Bloom and she owns a florists.. and that sets the tone there.
I found it so odd that people were trying to give out that it's been some ground breaking comment on domestic violence. It's like saying Flowers in the Attic is a serious film about child abuse.
I don't think Blake was tone deaf at all.

Yeah I think Blake Lively and her "florals" in a film about domestic abuse was incredibly tone deaf, but of all the shit put out about her none of it was actually that bad. She was a bit snappy with a reporter and talked over people a bit, and I can imagine was a pain in the arse, but that isn't abuse and probably even close to "toxic" beahviour.

He is repulsive. This is a really interesting take on the defence tactics used by JD’s US legal team.

I was sitting a lunch with 2 collegues male and female (early 30s). We were talking about it, and the female collegues asked me if I believe he was "innocent". I laughed and said not in a million years. The male collegue was taken aback and said she was abusive to him, and we both said yeah but he was also abusive. It really meant a lot to him that Johnny was the vicitm in this situation.

Omg yeah.. the relentless hazing of Blake Lively at the moment is nuts. So much on all social media. I really sit there thinking 'who is this that's so interested in getting everyone to hate Blake lively at the moment and why?'
The Hollywood publicity machine is properly scary. I actually feel quite sorry for anyone caught up in it.

I actually think he was having a midlife crisis breakdown and getting together was just a symptom of that.. if it hadn't been her it would have been another girl. I think his addictions were already getting out of hand and she was someone he could party with so he went off with her thinking he can do what he wants now.
And of course it all went to shit with no one to put the breaks on.
I don't think it was down to her, I think he had inevitably reached a point in his life when it was gonna spin out of control for him. His kids were nearly adults, his looks were fading.. I just think he was able to keep a lid on his lifestyle more when he first married Vanessa and had kids.. but yeah he's always had issues and that tends to come to a head in middle age with drinkers etc
And I think amber has BPD. A symptom of which can be 'splitting' putting someone on a pedestal until they trigger you and become a villain. Very difficult to look at things in shades of grey for people with bpd sometimes. I think she probably started off thinking they were bonnie and Clyde, sid and Nancy.. some romantic rebel soul mates... then at some point switched to thinking he was her abuser and oppressor. I think she probably believed both these things at the time she believed them, utterly.
I don't think she was capable of seeing they were mutually toxic and I think she went for him in the press because she was genuinely in a lot of pain and switched to believing he was evil. I don't think she had mich insight into her own addiction issues or behaviour.
I don't think she would have even been in that situation tho if she hadn't been vulnerable due to her bpd.
The power dynamic is obviously disgusting. Whatever she's done he has always had the upper hand. I don't think he was the malicious villain she ended up thinking he was. However he always had the upper hand just by the nature of his age, his wealth, his popularity.. i think they are both very flawed people who were mutually abusive but my sympathy is more towards her as I do think she was far more vulnerable. The way she has been treated in the aftermath is beyond shocking.
And it makes me wanna vom the way he is idolised.

Oh ffs
All this shit about ‘the power.’ This isn’t a secretary who was abused by her boss. JD is the “top” of celebrity fame. Women literally throw themselves at these men …. And I mean THROW themselves. You’d be absolutely staggered at what they do … bribe doormen/concierges/ agents to get them close and literally refuse to leave.
It’s actually not hard to say no to ‘top’ celebrities and I say this a moderately attractive women (at the time) with no money or fame etc. who happened to be around at the time. It’s not a romcom .. you say no and they (their lackeys) move on instantly to the 10000000 of women in the queue who are as equally attractive as you. Amber Heard was not a no money, no power woman. She was pretty and doing ok but she saw he opportunity and fucking relentlessly chased down a drug addled married man and fucking wore him down until he gave in. Everyone saw it. That doesn’t excuse him (although its interesting that on MN only women are allowed substance abuse problems- men who have them are just scum) and once she’s got him and raised her profile from bit part actor to someone who got more prominent roles she then decided she didn’t like it.
She is not a victim. She set out to get what she wanted. It didn’t work out as she wanted

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Johnny Depp is not a nice person. Ditto Brad Pitt.

Depp lost his libel case because the judge said 12 incidents of domestic violence had occurred, and that it was fine for him to be headlined as a wife-beater as it wasn't defamatory. That doesn't mean Amber Heard didn't carry out her own domestic abuse on him. I think the truth is probably that they were both abusive physically and verbally towards each other, but she's come out of it ruined and he's come out relatively intact. Funny that.

Brad Pitt is another one where there is third party evidence of his abusive behaviour towards his wife and children, yet no one seems that bothered.

In these situations it doesn't have to be true it just had to be believed. I don't think we'll know the truth as it probably depends on who you choose to listen to and believe.

Just let them get on with their own lives, what does it matter to me.