What was your position on Amber Heard & Johnny Depp

That was the case, she didn't expect ppl to laugh at it and have a jolly time did she? Not hard to understand. I made a reply and didn't comment on anything to do with who was an abuser.

Why did she write it? I am not she am I? But I can tell you it wasn't to make ppl laugh?

So you admit now I didn't say it and never mentioned who was a victim at all. So why did you lie and why did you assume I meant AH was the victim - why did your mind automatically go to her as a victim and not him? Odd that.

What about the fact she was previously arrested for domestic violence?

And that she called him a baby on tape for complaining that she punched him?

It’s a Tortoise one - it’s good.

I still think AH is and was an awful person. The lies and the absolute awful acting in court - just awful.

I feel the same. If you look purely at his own dating history, it does not speak in his favor. Sure, he may not have abused every woman he has dated, but Amber was not his only victim. She fought back and there seems to be a consensus that makes it "mutual" abuse. I don't buy it, and I hope the fuckers drinks himself to death.

Both as bad as each other. BUT the texts between Depp and Bettany - unspeakable and I despise both of them

Same!

I have the complete different view of this. I feel that women can do no wrong. I would never ever believe a woman automatically until I heard both sides, in any situation.

Plus any one who watched the trial could see moments where Johnny Depp found the trial entertaining.

Not sure why the rest of us shouldn't given it was his life and character being dissected.

Because you said she did not write the oped for people to enjoy?

I think she's a liar so that's exactly why she wrote it.

Why do you think she wrote it if she's not a victim?

Both toxic, damaged people who used every single grubby weapon available to them to sling shit at each other thus both came out of it stinking.

I think they both had a role in what was clearly a very dysfunctional relationship. I think AH came across extremely badly at trial - she tried to lie and got caught out multiple times. She was contradicted by witnesses. She did a whole load of disgusting things. I wouldn't be surprised if she had taunted him prior to switching on the recordings of him hitting furniture etc as she boasted about it on other recordings. He came across like he had been out of control, at his lowest and that she had twisted the knife.

That said he was clearly also guilty of abusing her. But her trial was reliant on him being the main abuser and there was too much evidence of her also abusing him to look innocent. The OpEd also made her look extremely calculating and she was a terrible witness - flat, emotionless, aiming all her answers at the jury and crying. I've no way of judging whether her tears were genuine but they seemed very sudden and she knew that the jury knew she was an actress so her team should have prepared her better. Depp's lawyers were the real winners...they were very very very good.

Couldn't care less. They're both awful and had a horrible, dysfunctional relationship.

I didn’t really follow it that closely but agree with the OP. A deeply toxic relationship between two very fucked up people, that did not need to be aired at such expense for the public to pick over. Unedifying all round. But of course, the woman was judged more harshly.

I do not believe she had wandering womb and not sure why this was even used as evidence in court. I think to me that was a pathetic moment in court and proved how crook the so called Drs are and will say anything for money.

I think it was an unhealthy and toxic relationship and they both treated each other badly. I do think she did try to capitalize on what happened by making herself a victim and the 'leader of the me too' movement. He definitely behaved poorly but her version of events didn't add up and were completely contradicted by other witnesses. And a lot of ehr evidence, that she herself presented indicated she was the main aggressor. The 'i hit you but I didn't hit you' line, the discussion of him want to leave but her not letting him etc.

I think both are narcissists and both are abusers. But the fact that AH tried to present herself as a sole victim of abuse was untrue and she deserved to lose in court.

Team Depp..

Couldn't give a monkeys.

I think its complex. They were both abusive to one another. However that abuse ranged from verbal to physical to psychological. Amber wrote the OpEd that painted a picture of a man that was all kinds of abusive to her, and she was the victim. However, it was much deeper than that, both were victims. Both were abusers. From watching the court case though, i found it harder and harder to believe that JD was phsycially abusive, and if he was, was it in self defensive or retaliation to the abuse she instigated? verbally abusive yes, psychologically abusive yes, but physically, im unsure. Her OpEd picture included the physical abuse though - which is what he argued against, he semi-admitted the verbal and psychological. There were moments where she showed herself to be a liar. The knife on the bed that was blatently used to carve the wood she claimed was split by boots? It was so clearly not a true story of what happened, it made no sense. Trying to argue amount giving the money to charity that she never gave showed her to be a liar. That and a few other moments created the circus, once shown to be a liar, then everything you say is believed to be a lie. Amber brought this on herself, if she had been more truthful about her role in the abuse, and her behaviours, maybe enough of her story would have been believed.

However, i also dont think JD should have won the trail, I think in amongst the lies she told, was some truths, and he was abusive, he was a drunk, an addict, and did some vile things to her. But he won the case, and the public, because amber lied more blatently that he did.

Two toxic people who brought out the worst in each other.

We'll never know but it's possible to be both abused AND an abuser which is probably likely in this scenario. Amber was recorded saying she did hit him. I do not believe Johnny is an innocent party as he's said and done vile things, also he's a sad old drunk.

I have been abused and am no great fan of men, but I am completely Team Depp on this one.

Abusers isolate you. Depp moved Heard's family and friends into the building he owned, that he and Heard lived in.

Abusers don't try to hide in the bathroom, because they have nothing to fear. Whereas victims often do (me, Riva Steenkamp, Johnny Depp for example).

Then there are the audio recordings where she slags him off, calls him names because he brings up how she hit him, and even talks about how 'shiny' he used to be - narcissists love shiny.

And she has a past history of violence - assaulting a former partner.

Funny how all the pro-Depp stuff is called a media campaign, presumably orchestrated by him, but all the new pro-Amber stuff is just 'the truth'. I heard the 'Who trolled Amber Heard' podcast and it was a total whitewash, all about how it was misogyny etc.

She talks herself about how he would try to leave, and she would prevent him - which is what abusers do, not victims. You hear her endlessly taunting Depp on those tapes - again, why would she do that if she was so afraid of him?

Depp is doubtless an addict, but that made him easier to paint as the abuser, because he became more prone to reactive abuse - which in no way approached the level of abuse heaped upon him.

Whilst I think Amber Heard comes across as an unpleasant person, in no way would I ever defend Johnny Depp's violence.

I don’t think mutual abuse is a myth.

There are two paths for two narcissists in a relationship together which actually is a reasonably common relationship set up for narcissists. They either work together in the common goal of attention seeking supply, projecting superiority etc etc or they totally destroy each other. Johnny and Amber took that second path. I totally believe Amber and Johnny Depp are both deeply cluster B personality disordered but the way the trial was handled and the misogyny around it painted him as the victim only which is absolutely bullshit, that was for me the worst part. I’m just glad we still get to say he was an abuser thanks to the London judgement which still stands because he absolutely is.

I never said who was - why did you assume Amber and not Johnny - shows what you were thinking all along!

Curious as to why you assume when I never said either way. I said abuse victim....at no point did I say who was the victim.

I'm curious as to why you slotted AH into that and stated clearly that this is what I think?

Why fabricate things? You are now caught lying. Interesting eh?

I had lots of FB news feeds and shares of Johnny Depp visiting animal sanctuaries, images of him cuddling rescued wildlife etc all through the trial. Lots of memes on how men suffer at the hands of women. Made me . She was at the mercy of his hugely effective PR team (bank rolled by the Saudis, apparently). I think she spoke out against an abusive man and he used all his armoury to shut her down.
Unfortunately she didn't portray herself well either and suffered greatly for it, sadly.