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What was your position on Amber Heard & Johnny Depp

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Hugge · 15/12/2024 20:54

I wonder if your feelings have changed since the trial?

I always viewed their situation as mutually toxic - they both abused and were abused. I honestly hated seeing people seemingly enjoying the tearing down and gaslighting of Amber. I think Amber did herself no favours. She’s clearly a narcissist and it was obvious when she was recounting her experiences. Very dramatic and forced. But I still believe she was hurt by Depp.

Johnny Depp has garnered so much good will for just being Johnny Depp. Not to mention the Children’s hospital visits. But multiple things can be true at once. He can be charitable with his time whilst also being an abuser.

Depp may never have hit Kate Moss. But that has no bearing on his relationship with Heard. In some relationships fighting is almost like foreplay. The emotion, passion etc can be addictive. It probably excited them both to fight and make up.

It is accepted Johnny Depp was addicted to both drugs and alcohol. In my experience, alcoholic men can be absolute monsters. I had an abusive father and the anger just came to the fore as soon as he drank.

Amber is back in the news and I just feel very sorry for her. I’m sure she played her part but I’m sure she was also hurt. Just chewed up and spat out.

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Teamlux · 18/12/2024 23:08

His Status and support certainly worked in his favour. I think she may have exaggerated her story. The charity donation or lack of was awful. But at the end of the day they were in a toxic relationship. I didn’t like the way he seemed to laugh through the trial.

KTheGrey · 18/12/2024 22:58

I went to ONS.gov.uk and searched for conviction data but I got nothing remotely relevant. It asked if I wanted condition data. Baffling.

schmeler · 18/12/2024 19:29

KTheGrey · 18/12/2024 13:41

I don’t understand what you are saying. What is conviction data? Can you give a citation please?

Convictions where there has been a false accusation. It is the conviction data on ONS.

KTheGrey · 18/12/2024 13:41

schmeler · 17/12/2024 16:09

That is not incorrect, conviction data shows that men falsely accuse 175 times more than women. As they are the main perpetrators and of course perpetrators falsely accuse their victims of lying every time to get away with it. They frame themselves as the victim.

The conviction data proves it. It is there in black and white. Proven.

Do you honestly think that perpetrators are honest?

I don’t understand what you are saying. What is conviction data? Can you give a citation please?

FrippEnos · 18/12/2024 11:23

schmeler · 17/12/2024 22:07

Nice deflection from answering.

It isn't bias when it is proven and factual. Of course we will never know the true numbers of either sex but they sure as hell are not equal and never will be. If the conviction levels were about 50/50 then I would say so but when males are in the high 90% and females in the single digits then the difference is staggering. and when you couple with certain male only crimes or crimes that only impact on females - femicide for one. And if you look at the data such as the missing 100 million females globally who are not alive because they are females so much so it has changed the global ratio then there isn't any denying who the main perpetrators are.

But keep on assuming it is equal by all means. It isn't biased when the facts are there.

I haven't said that its equal, that is you projecting, your method of "proven and factual" is based on a flawed system which you are assuming is never wrong.
By your methodology any person that is not convicted did not do the crime.
We know this to be wrong.

Theunamedcat · 17/12/2024 22:20

I don't believe half of what she said she should have got divorced taken her money and left him to self destruct but nope she had to push and lie about him (I do believe she lied and expected people to believe her because he was an addict) attention seeking narcissistic behaviour she needed to be the one to "win" and she couldn't compete with him in the end

They bought out the absolute worst in each other he was a nasty drunk she was a cheat a liar and antagonist you could see in her recordings she attacked him till he reacted then she had her "evidence" he won because he threw it out there I'm not perfect I have an issue and all she did was "his fault I'm innocent" " his fault I'm innocent" they show her cheating and it's still " his fault" no accountability at all

Most of his ex girlfriends and wives say nice things about him and there is no need for them to lie kate moss is a clear example no bullshit straight to the point she had nothing to gain from lying about him

schmeler · 17/12/2024 22:07

FrippEnos · 17/12/2024 20:35

I think that your bias is showing as we will never know the actual number of abusers of either sex as so many victims never report their abuser.

Nice deflection from answering.

It isn't bias when it is proven and factual. Of course we will never know the true numbers of either sex but they sure as hell are not equal and never will be. If the conviction levels were about 50/50 then I would say so but when males are in the high 90% and females in the single digits then the difference is staggering. and when you couple with certain male only crimes or crimes that only impact on females - femicide for one. And if you look at the data such as the missing 100 million females globally who are not alive because they are females so much so it has changed the global ratio then there isn't any denying who the main perpetrators are.

But keep on assuming it is equal by all means. It isn't biased when the facts are there.

CandiedPrincess · 17/12/2024 20:38

nam3c4ang3 · 16/12/2024 20:58

I still think AH is and was an awful person. The lies and the absolute awful acting in court - just awful.

Agreed. Will never forget "my dog stepped on a bee..."

FrippEnos · 17/12/2024 20:35

schmeler · 17/12/2024 18:58

I do apply it to female perpetrators too. However there are less of them.

It is interesting logic as to why you think I wouldn't - why is that? And the same applies to women. However things like the quota are focused purely on letting men walk free to fudge data - is that ok?

I think that your bias is showing as we will never know the actual number of abusers of either sex as so many victims never report their abuser.

schmeler · 17/12/2024 18:58

FrippEnos · 17/12/2024 18:50

That's an interesting leap in logic, If you are going to apply it to women then you should also be applying it to men.

But as has been said before about males that are not convicted.
"just because they didn't get a guilty verdict doesn't mean that they are innocent."

I do apply it to female perpetrators too. However there are less of them.

It is interesting logic as to why you think I wouldn't - why is that? And the same applies to women. However things like the quota are focused purely on letting men walk free to fudge data - is that ok?

FrippEnos · 17/12/2024 18:50

schmeler · 17/12/2024 16:09

That is not incorrect, conviction data shows that men falsely accuse 175 times more than women. As they are the main perpetrators and of course perpetrators falsely accuse their victims of lying every time to get away with it. They frame themselves as the victim.

The conviction data proves it. It is there in black and white. Proven.

Do you honestly think that perpetrators are honest?

That's an interesting leap in logic, If you are going to apply it to women then you should also be applying it to men.

But as has been said before about males that are not convicted.
"just because they didn't get a guilty verdict doesn't mean that they are innocent."

schmeler · 17/12/2024 16:09

Michelle12A · 17/12/2024 07:12

That is incorrect

That is not incorrect, conviction data shows that men falsely accuse 175 times more than women. As they are the main perpetrators and of course perpetrators falsely accuse their victims of lying every time to get away with it. They frame themselves as the victim.

The conviction data proves it. It is there in black and white. Proven.

Do you honestly think that perpetrators are honest?

Wellingtonspie · 17/12/2024 08:08

sparkletin · 17/12/2024 07:22

I think he's a drunken drug abusing scruff. Not sure what she saw in him in the first place.

A leg up in her career and more money. Fame and fortune.

TammyJones · 17/12/2024 07:51

DreamTheMoors · 15/12/2024 21:23

I remember when the whole thing started.
Amber published an op/ed in the Washington Post, listing a number of accusations against an anonymous man — but it was obvious she was talking about Depp.
It was calculated, vicious and written to elicit great sympathy for herself while sabotaging Johnny Depp.
Right off, I knew she had an agenda and that agenda was not to defend herself, but to destroy someone else.

And I believed it....until I watched the trail.
She was like a dog with a bone
She lied, and lied and lied again.
She was no victim.

She could have walked away but she wanted to nail him to ground.

sparkletin · 17/12/2024 07:22

I think he's a drunken drug abusing scruff. Not sure what she saw in him in the first place.

Tontostitis · 17/12/2024 07:13

I was team Amber until I watched the trial and listened to the tapes of her berating him, talking about hitting him and it being his own fault, saw copies of the injury reports she'd inflicted on him. He's a drunk and has a drug problem but she's an abuser and no intelligent person can listen to those tapes and think otherwise.

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 17/12/2024 07:13

I believe her.

Michelle12A · 17/12/2024 07:12

schmeler · 16/12/2024 22:26

Women are falsely accused more often than men. 175 times more often. Men are the most likely to lie.

Do you say the same when a man says he is falsely accused and if not why not when men are the main source of false allegations and women the most likely victim.

That is incorrect

Michelle12A · 17/12/2024 07:11

nonbinaryfinery · 16/12/2024 03:28

I was with Amber 100%. People expect victims to be perfect, and she wasn't.

being arrested for Domestic Abuse and punching your husband is a bit more than not being perfect

Ladylangstrand · 17/12/2024 06:59

Thatcastlethere · 15/12/2024 23:13

Omg yeah.. the relentless hazing of Blake Lively at the moment is nuts. So much on all social media. I really sit there thinking 'who is this that's so interested in getting everyone to hate Blake lively at the moment and why?'
The Hollywood publicity machine is properly scary. I actually feel quite sorry for anyone caught up in it.

It's more of a Saudi publicity machine. If you listen to the Who Trolled Amber podcast (which takes no side in the relationship)
Jonny Depp has a deal with the Saudi government for film festivals and personal appearances. They bankrolled a PR offensive combined with their extensive troll farm operations.

Slidingdowntherainbow · 17/12/2024 06:52

She was caught out lying and was absolutely fake and narcissistic. No sympathy at all. The way she stared at the jury was contrived and creepy.

schmeler · 17/12/2024 06:46

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 17/12/2024 06:40

Where did I say she wrote it for people to laugh?

I think she wrote it for attention and entertainment. She got both.

If something is entertaining it is fun. So you think she did it for fun?

You think she did it for fun and for attention? Do you know what attention anyone gets when they declare things like that? Negative. So she did it on purpose to get death threats and negative attention? Makes lots of sense.

Again ignoring the lies you told about me.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 17/12/2024 06:40

schmeler · 16/12/2024 22:21

That was the case, she didn't expect ppl to laugh at it and have a jolly time did she? Not hard to understand. I made a reply and didn't comment on anything to do with who was an abuser.

Why did she write it? I am not she am I? But I can tell you it wasn't to make ppl laugh?

So you admit now I didn't say it and never mentioned who was a victim at all. So why did you lie and why did you assume I meant AH was the victim - why did your mind automatically go to her as a victim and not him? Odd that.

Where did I say she wrote it for people to laugh?

I think she wrote it for attention and entertainment. She got both.

Willyoujustbequiet · 16/12/2024 22:36

1WanderingWomble · 15/12/2024 20:59

My position... there was an absolute frenzy of misogyny unleashed on Amber Heard during the US trial. It was disgusting and quite traumatic. I have no idea really what happened in their relationship and I do think she's likely quite a difficult person, but Depp I just find despicable - for his vindictive behaviour towards Amber, his horrific texts about her, and quite a few other reasons including his friendship with Marilyn Manson, his violence over the years, his dodgy history (the Viper club in particular is extremely shady), and other 'colourful' things like trying to obtain paintings by the serial killer John Wayne Gacey and Hitler's gun.

This sums it up.

schmeler · 16/12/2024 22:26

Everlygreen · 16/12/2024 20:55

I have the complete different view of this. I feel that women can do no wrong. I would never ever believe a woman automatically until I heard both sides, in any situation.

Women are falsely accused more often than men. 175 times more often. Men are the most likely to lie.

Do you say the same when a man says he is falsely accused and if not why not when men are the main source of false allegations and women the most likely victim.