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Mamana127 · 15/12/2024 11:51

I have two step daughters one if now 27 and the other one 25 I have known them for 13 years and each Christmas ever since I met them i have bought them presents, nice girly things which they love.
They are now working with really good jobs one earning 150k a year and another 70k. They have been working for over 3 years now. But I have never received even a slicked Carrot from them. They buy their dad presents and nothing for me and my kids. During their birthdays my kids make them crafts and I buy them presents but I’ve never received any for my birthday either or the kids birthday either.
This year while wrapping presents my husband asked me where their presents were? I said I’m not buying them any as they have never got me anything not even a Christmas card. He got really mad and said I’m older I should behave better and two wrongs don’t make a right.
I asked him if he has ever asked them why they don’t buy me anything he said they are old enough to make their minds. Ok and I’m not old enough to make my mind?
when we go on holiday I buy them stuff and they sometimes accept or reject that they don’t like, it I spoke to my MIL about this and she said to me they to stop trying to buy them that they don’t like you.
i have never done anything to these beautiful girls, I met their dad way after he had split frozen their mum and had been in other relationship before me.
I haven’t been trying to buy their love I’ve just been trying to be nice to them. So this year I decided to heed my MIL’s advice, and it blew up into a big argument between me and DH. Mind you DH gets them gifts too so I suggested he writes that it’s from both of us and refused. I’m I right or I’m I being petty.
I mean having to take that decision was hard for my heart but I felt I needed to do it.

OP posts:
CandidHedgehog · 29/12/2024 14:58

lessglittermoremud · 29/12/2024 14:54

I don’t think behaving with integrity is lying down and being a doormat, I wouldn’t try and claim something I had no right to ie a house brought with inheritance that wasn’t mine.
My parents were actually on a pretty equal footing but just turned really spiteful, which is what sadly happens.
This couple have been together max 10 years, he is in his 50’s she has no funded his lifestyle for more then the last 10years so not sure what claim she would have all the vast majority of his pension.
He’s behaved awfully over the last 10 years, there’s no getting round that, but the OP doesn’t have to lower herself and behave just as terribly. They have been together for a fairly short amount of years what ever they have accumulated in that time should be split.

Edited

But they have accumulated far less than they should have done because the OP’s husband has been transferring enormous amounts (totted up over 10 years) to third parties. Are you saying that shouldn’t be taken into account in the settlement?

lessglittermoremud · 29/12/2024 14:54

CandidHedgehog · 29/12/2024 14:47

Why do women (not just you, I’ve seen it multiple times in other threads) seem to think lying down and being a doormat is ‘acting with integrity and dignity’?

The OP has been financially abused for 10 years. Getting proper financial compensation for that is not in any way lacking in integrity or dignity. She has no pension because she has been funding her DH’s ex wife and letting him build up his pension. Why on earth shouldn’t she get a share of his pension? Without her funding his lifestyle, that pension wouldn’t exist!

Has it occurred to you that if your parents’ divorce got ‘nasty over money’ that may well be because the better off partner was trying to cheat the other spouse out of his/her rights?

I don’t think behaving with integrity is lying down and being a doormat, I wouldn’t try and claim something I had no right to ie a house brought with inheritance that wasn’t mine.
My parents were actually on a pretty equal footing but just turned really spiteful, which is what sadly happens.
This couple have been together max 10 years, he is in his 50’s she has no funded his lifestyle for more then the last 10years so not sure what claim she would have all the vast majority of his pension.
He’s behaved awfully over the last 10 years, there’s no getting round that, but the OP doesn’t have to lower herself and behave just as terribly. They have been together for a fairly short amount of years what ever they have accumulated in that time should be split.

TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 29/12/2024 14:52

There IS NO DIGNITY in divorce. Especially with a man who feels himself entitled. It’s not 1960, when the wife was told by the husband and breadwinner what she could and couldn’t have.

TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 29/12/2024 14:49

And @Mamana127 Your solicitor will possibly mention spousal support to be outlined in any final court order. Please don’t say no to it out of pride. You’ve been financially assisting his grown up kids for quite some time and are responsible for your own child’s future. Spousal maintenance can be on an “as required” inclusion basis, just in case your circumstances change. Be advised by the experts. They do this in their sleep.

CandidHedgehog · 29/12/2024 14:47

lessglittermoremud · 29/12/2024 14:16

In your shoes I would get the house valued and then ask for your 25% of what it is worth and ask that he buy you out.
The mortgage payments aren’t really any different to paying rent if you were in a rental property IMO
I personally wouldn’t go after his pension etc I would look to get what I was entitled to out of the house, even if it means it has to be sold and then set an amount he needs to contribute for your daughter.
Im a child of divorced parents and even 30 year later I can remember how nasty it all got especially over money, I always swore that if I found myself in a similar position I would try and keep my integrity and dignity.
Anything such as your car etc you need to take, as long as you have enough to restart afresh and remain true to yourself, I think that’s what’s important.

Why do women (not just you, I’ve seen it multiple times in other threads) seem to think lying down and being a doormat is ‘acting with integrity and dignity’?

The OP has been financially abused for 10 years. Getting proper financial compensation for that is not in any way lacking in integrity or dignity. She has no pension because she has been funding her DH’s ex wife and letting him build up his pension. Why on earth shouldn’t she get a share of his pension? Without her funding his lifestyle, that pension wouldn’t exist!

Has it occurred to you that if your parents’ divorce got ‘nasty over money’ that may well be because the better off partner was trying to cheat the other spouse out of his/her rights?

TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 29/12/2024 14:44

With No Fault Divorce, which we have now in the UK, the court are not interested in who brought what to the table and who did what in the downfall of the marriage. Unfortunately, you will possibly find that your marital “pot” is what you have/share in your joint name only. But. Pensions will be taken into consideration/other property with his name as joint ownership, savings, investments etc. The court is only concerned with what is deemed fair in the actual couple’s split. So essentially, you will be “levelled up”. The start point is 50/50 regardless of who did what. Child maintenance is separate.

Divorce is expensive in terms of financial and emotional settlement. Seems that sadly, you have not choice. Get all the help you can and stay resolute.

lessglittermoremud · 29/12/2024 14:16

In your shoes I would get the house valued and then ask for your 25% of what it is worth and ask that he buy you out.
The mortgage payments aren’t really any different to paying rent if you were in a rental property IMO
I personally wouldn’t go after his pension etc I would look to get what I was entitled to out of the house, even if it means it has to be sold and then set an amount he needs to contribute for your daughter.
Im a child of divorced parents and even 30 year later I can remember how nasty it all got especially over money, I always swore that if I found myself in a similar position I would try and keep my integrity and dignity.
Anything such as your car etc you need to take, as long as you have enough to restart afresh and remain true to yourself, I think that’s what’s important.

Mamana127 · 29/12/2024 14:12

Fraaances · 29/12/2024 00:43

So step daughters already have a house to inherit from mother? He has been funding his ex all this time AND she works FT and the SD’s are adults??? All this and he accepted money from the sale of his parent’s home to begin again??? This is fucking ridiculous.
He is a liar.
I am so glad that OP is insisting on going through solicitors. I bet he has a dodgy money trail like Pablo Escobar.

@Fraaances,
Yes they do, they also inherited their maternal grandmother’s home and used that to buy properties of their own in London. They work and earn very well. I earn below what they earn and way below what my DH earns. He earns almost 4 times what I earn. But I’m expected to pay 50/50 because I would be doing it anyways if I had been living alone.
It gets worse, I’ve just received a txt saying he also sends groceries via online every time they visit their mum as they are still their kids and the ex is saving for her retirement so she cannot be the one feeding the girls when they visit.
these Details are coming out in dribs and drabs because I have asked for a full disclosure.
what a total mug I have been, I have saved very little in pension as a result of all the money I’m paying out yet his money belongs to his kids and ex wife.

OP posts:
Pensionswew · 29/12/2024 14:07

Above all you need a rottweiler of a solicitor to get you every penny.

You have been lied to, financially abused and used as a skivvy by this prick while he bankrolled his ex.

He lived in YOUR house for years, accepted the money from your house sale, yet thinks you have minimum rights to your home that you pay 50/50 towards.

Written down in blank and white you need to realise this is shocking.

Start practice saying that you have felt abused, controlled, financially manipulated by him whilst he has lied continually to you.

This is a very bad man.
Keep your cards close to your chest but do not play down to your solicitor how badly you have been used as a skivvy by him.

You can do this.
Lean into your anger and use it to get every penny you can for your children.

Mamana127 · 29/12/2024 14:04

TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 29/12/2024 13:10

The Full Disclosure of finances (Form E) is your very best friend in this situation, @Mamana127 Your contribution thus far is to be recognised. The maintenance of your child, is to be recognised. I cannot emphasise enough that you need to be guided by the law and court with regard to what you are FAIRLY entitled, going forward. You and your child need it.

Your husband, his kids, have behaved appallingly. Enough. Well done.

@TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt,
I will download that form as soon as I land tomorrow. I will not sleep until I know the full extent of his deliberate actions.

OP posts:
Mamana127 · 29/12/2024 13:29

He is in his mid fifties and still working and very physically fit so he doesn’t need me to care for him in that manner.
But I do everything in the house because he is always busy EVERYTHING from cleaning to cooking. I pay bills 50/50. His dad visits a lot but he is also very ok and doesn’t need care.

However my MIL passed away this year and the plan is for him to come and live with us so a granny Annex was created to accommodate him which is where he stays when he comes.

I am extremely very livid because I’ve begged for us to get an even cleaner and my DH refused that we cannot afford it, then I find out that he is bank rolling his ex for house maintenance. I feel like punching him in the face!
don’t have time for myself at all as I’m also studying part time. I have one day off per week and that’s taken by cleaning the house because I hate mess. I don’t go to sleep until gone midnight daily as I try to keep on top of the house work and kids,
If I don’t ask him he will not even empty the bin until I do it.
Right now he has totally refused to say how much money he has been giving the ex, that I need to come home and look at the paperwork face to face. That he doesn’t trust sending documents via email.
He won’t send any documents to my solicitor either and has refused to engage them saying we are going to try and resolve it ourselves first.

Admits he has a big problem transitioning from his other family to fully ours and wants us to go for more counselling together! Utter nonsense.

Apparently he has to support the ex with things as her mental health is really bad and leaves the house to deteriorate, that she also don’t have any family left.
Apparently will now start the process of putting my name on the house deed and putting my name on everything so that we have equal rights as equal partners. When I ask him why he didn’t do it before he says it’s because his kids and ex are on his back 24/7 about money.

I’m totally done and I’m not going back. I can’t trust him anymore. Today I woke up very very angry and he will now face the music.

what I want to know is what I’m I entitled to? what should I go for?
I know my solicitor will tell me but roughly what do you guys think?

We have been married nearly two years, before that we lived as Partners for 8 years, mostly in my house while he was renting, then he bought a house alone using his inheritance from parents. after that we both sold our homes to buy our current home, I contributed 25% of the price and we have a 50k mortgage which we both pay 50/50.
our DD together is under 10. My other two DDS are also less than 13. ( sorry I’m trying to not give my identity away as I’ve said so much already)
he says his percentage of the house goes to 3 of his kids one of which we share, the other two are working, and are due to inherit from their mums house, they inherited their grandparents (ex’s parents) home and sold it on a large scale as per my DH proudly. They already each own properties in London where they work and live.
I mean these people are not short of money I just do not understand why the focus is so much on money still, my DD is young and will not be working for years to come she goes to village normal school, my DSD are all privately educated, they have had it really good.
but they have no compassion or empathy at all. It’s all about money and who wants to steal their money.
its totally WTF moment with these lot and the sooner I close the door on them the better.

OP posts:
TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 29/12/2024 13:10

The Full Disclosure of finances (Form E) is your very best friend in this situation, @Mamana127 Your contribution thus far is to be recognised. The maintenance of your child, is to be recognised. I cannot emphasise enough that you need to be guided by the law and court with regard to what you are FAIRLY entitled, going forward. You and your child need it.

Your husband, his kids, have behaved appallingly. Enough. Well done.

Fraaances · 29/12/2024 05:46

I don’t think he is in a position to ask for anything yet. I think you need to get full discovery first. I also genuinely believe that you are his carer instead of paying for a nursing home, (and also for him when he retires… you and your children will be out in the cold the moment he ceases to draw breath) so that he can afford to house his father at your place and then have a house for each of his precious angels. What a bastard.

Pensionswew · 29/12/2024 00:44

OP, you have been lied to, manipulated and financially abused the whole of your marriage.
He insists on 50/50 while giving money to his ex wife.

You are too soft.
This is so shocking.
Please get every single penny for your daughter.
She deserves no less.
He has financially abused your daughter via his treatment of you.
Do not ignore these facts.
This is not a good man.
He is a liar.
He has utterly mislead you.
You and your children deserve so much better than this.

Fraaances · 29/12/2024 00:43

So step daughters already have a house to inherit from mother? He has been funding his ex all this time AND she works FT and the SD’s are adults??? All this and he accepted money from the sale of his parent’s home to begin again??? This is fucking ridiculous.
He is a liar.
I am so glad that OP is insisting on going through solicitors. I bet he has a dodgy money trail like Pablo Escobar.

saffronspices · 28/12/2024 20:54

First consideration is where do you fit in if he were to die - he's left the house to his 3 daughters - that doesn't cover you.

Secondly, why on earth is he contributing to the upkeep of a property he has no financial interest in?

I'm glad you've had some time away with your family, space to think and get the girls away from that awful situation. Your husband needs to grow a pair - he sounds a nightmare, his ex is a leech as are his 2 daughters.

1HappyTraveller · 28/12/2024 20:08

Mymymble · 28/12/2024 18:43

Commiserations on your awful experience.
Am I right that you, your children and your wider family are currently living in one country and your husband in England? If you’re in different countries how will 50/50 custody work? Is your youngest excpected to take flights twice a fortnight? You need to take lots of advice over this.
even if it’s a medium large distance over the UK it’s a factor.

OP is visiting family for Christmas. Made a last minute trip. She hasn’t been home for years because her husband refused and prioritised only his family. They are currently there.

Mymymble · 28/12/2024 18:43

Commiserations on your awful experience.
Am I right that you, your children and your wider family are currently living in one country and your husband in England? If you’re in different countries how will 50/50 custody work? Is your youngest excpected to take flights twice a fortnight? You need to take lots of advice over this.
even if it’s a medium large distance over the UK it’s a factor.

asthecrowdwaschantingmore · 28/12/2024 17:18

Do right by your daughter and yourself. Take what you're entitled to take.

You've come last in your entire marriage. You've been shat upon in your marriage. Your own DC came last with you, too, frankly. Note the no presents for them unless you sorted it ... just the older DDs. At least start over with everything you're entitled to.

Mamana127 · 28/12/2024 14:24

I will do the right thing by my daughter and myself.

OP posts:
LePetitMaman · 28/12/2024 12:28

My conscious just isnt liking the idea of taking money off him and him starting allover again as he did with the ex wife, that crippled him financially.

@Mamana127 calm down and think. I know your world is reeling right now. The pain of realising you've been used is hard to see past.

Let's look at that sentence. Your conscience isn't liking that you'll cripple him like the ex. Do you mean the ex he's been handing voluntary money to behind your back every month? Oh how awful he must feel towards her, so awful he's handing her free money. While you pay his bills.

How's your conscience now?

rainingsnoring · 28/12/2024 11:39

If it helps, reframe the 50/50 as doing it for your DD. You need to support her. Who knows what tricks your STBXH will play along the road.

1HappyTraveller · 28/12/2024 11:24

Mamana127 · 28/12/2024 10:21

It’s sad because I promised my MIL I’d fight for my marriage. I’m also never money focused as such. But I’m waking up to the reality that everyone is at 100% money focused and nothing else.
Ive just been wondering why this man married me. Was it because he didn’t want to pay for our child? Because it’s not because of love. Me believing that the crumbs I got from was him being nice is painful for me to bear!

I don’t know what Im going to get out of this my Solicitor says I should go for everything 50/50 but I’m so nervous about the whole thing, I know it’s not my money and feel bad asking for it especially the inheritance money he got from MIL. My MIL gave me money when my daughter was born without telling anyone and made me promise I would never tell. I don’t know if he knows. She said that was my “rainy day gift” and I’ve invested that. She also publicly left abit of money for my DD as a gift on her will.
My conscious just isnt liking the idea of taking money off him and him starting allover again as he did with the ex wife, that crippled him financially.
When we met his parents were supporting him financially a lot. Then they sold their home which was beautiful and gave him money to start allover again.
I just feel like I should leave and take what belongs to me and leave him to it, if I work out from what his salary is what he will pay for CM for our DD it’s a lot of money and I feel that should be enough. 😢
My solicitor says it’s my money too and I’m money naive. 😢 but there is more to life than money really and it causes so much hurt 😢

It is your money too.
I bet your MIL would encourage you to go for half - especially knowing how sh*tty his kids have been to you. If she’d have known about the financial support to the ex-wife I also suspect she’d be livid!

You’ve got this!!!! 💪🏻

Mamana127 · 28/12/2024 11:05

CandidHedgehog · 28/12/2024 10:57

If you won’t go after the money you are entitled to for yourself, you should do it for your daughter. Your (not so) DH has demonstrated she will always come very much behind her half-siblings. After all the ways you’ve been lied to and financially exploited by this man, I suspect the only way she will get any sort of inheritance from her father is if you get money in the divorce and invest it for her.

@CandidHedgehog,
This is true and my Solicitor has said the same, I just wish deep inside I can feel this and be ok with it without feeling any guilt. I know it’s the right thing to do but my conscious is really heavy on it. I don’t want to feel this way, I feel rage for the way he has treated us and I also know he will never be fair or treat me any better, even though he is promising now that he now realises how unfair he has been and things will change.

OP posts:
FreebieWallopFridge · 28/12/2024 10:59

Your solicitor is right.

And your MIL did an absolutely masterful job of setting you up to replace her as his new emotional support human. She’s manipulated you so much that you can’t even see what she’s done.

You owe your MIL nothing.

Listen to your solicitor, stop being naive, and stop thinking your husband or his family had your best interest at heart. None of them did before, and none of them do now.