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What is it with people being so dismissive ?

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twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:07

I was seeing some family the other day and they asked me how a new job was going. I mentioned a lot of positives and then also some negatives, in particular that someone had said some things to me and I was a bit worried as a result about the company culture and whether I was going to fit into it as a working parent. The thread isn't about what was said, it's about the reaction of the person I was speaking to..

The person was at first very reluctant to even actually respond and then they said ' oh I'm sure that person didn't mean it. Oh I'm sure they say that to everyone.' It really wasn't a situation where I misunderstood something. I felt totally dismissed. I would literally NEVER respond like this to anyone. Even if I disagreed, I would still say something like ' oh that sounds difficult. I understand how that wasn't a helpful thing for that person to say. Do you think there's any chance they're just a bit clueless? '. Or something along those lines, to not entirely dismiss that person's concerns.

I've noticed this kind of thing has happened a few times and it always makes me feel rubbish. And no before you come for me, I'm not always sitting around complaining any more than anyone else in the extended family.

Often this has happened with younger family members, could it be an age thing ? Occasionally my MIL also does it to me. I never open up and tell her anything anymore because she always dismissed my feelings immediately anyway.

But the thing I told the other member of the family the other day would have been something MIL would have totally agreed with me with. She wouldn't have brushed it off like that at all. The thing I was concerned about came from the most senior person in my office and not from some random. It's definitely not ideal.

I feel like it's toxic positivity mixed with just poor social skills. Or they just think I'm a whiney idiot. I promise you that I do not complain about things any more than any other person in the family whatsoever. I'm just talking about my life and experiences.

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Fridgetapas · 15/12/2024 07:59

I know exactly what you mean OP - my granny used to do this all the time and it was so difficult to have meaningful conversations with her!
I think for her she was almost afraid of strong emotions and just wanted everything to be ‘nice’. So anytime I wanted to talk about something not being all roses and kittens she’d try and dismiss my emotion.

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 07:57

smokeandflame · 15/12/2024 07:53

I get what you are saying OP but I think it's just wasted energy on your part to be upset about this. Having expectations about how other people should respond to you is really only going to cause misery most of the time.

It would be nice if people were more empathetic and knew what to say, but sometimes they just aren't.

You have to build your personal resilience and not expect others to validate you or do what you expect.

You know that the company is behaving in a shit way, so that's enough really. Just have confidence in your own opinion/ belief. You don't need others to say it as well, you know it.

Also I'm sorry you are going through that at work!

I totally understand this. But it makes me dislike that person. It just puts me off.

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MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 15/12/2024 07:56

I May have this wrong but do you think they are either trying to play devil’s advocate to try and help you see the other side? Or, that they have agreed/sympathised with you in the past and somehow it has made it worse for you and fuelled the flames of your unhappiness dragging an issue out for longer?

What I’m trying to say is if my children had an issue that I see they were het up about, sometimes I would downplay it or not overly sympathise with, simply because it seemed to exacerbate matters if I engaged too much or asked too many questions. It is a fine line and I have been accused of not taking their side, if that happened I would apologise and say of course I am, perhaps that is they part you feel you are missing in support from your family?

Moving forward, perhaps discuss work less or more lightly unless it is a real tangible issue you need support with?

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 07:55

Eh what I meant with that reply was that at some point when you're talking about someone's cancer, there may be a time to say something positive.

I didn't mean that someone tells you they have cancer and you reply with ' don't worry about it '..

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smokeandflame · 15/12/2024 07:53

I get what you are saying OP but I think it's just wasted energy on your part to be upset about this. Having expectations about how other people should respond to you is really only going to cause misery most of the time.

It would be nice if people were more empathetic and knew what to say, but sometimes they just aren't.

You have to build your personal resilience and not expect others to validate you or do what you expect.

You know that the company is behaving in a shit way, so that's enough really. Just have confidence in your own opinion/ belief. You don't need others to say it as well, you know it.

Also I'm sorry you are going through that at work!

Garlicwest · 15/12/2024 07:53

friendconcern · 15/12/2024 07:41

I wonder if this is an indicator of why this might be happening. You seem to be saying here that it is more acceptable to blindly reassure someone with cancer that it will all be fine than your potential work culture concern.

I realise that you said you don’t have form for being over dramatic or over thinking, but this post suggests otherwise. I wonder if you do t notice how you come across.

Agree. That reply was really jarring to read! It makes me think that OP perhaps isn't the type of person she believes herself to be.

Imafraidtosayctr8 · 15/12/2024 07:48

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 07:40

@Imafraidtosayctr8 they're not that sort of upper class person you describe but I totally know the type you mean ! You describe them so well.

What's going on in the other person's head ? Honesty I think it's about the women and working women and the whole motherhood thing.

I think she thinks it's just old bats meaning and I am starting to think she's even anti feminism or something. She doesn't have kids yet, although she does want to be a mum and is in a committed relationship.

It could be total lack of comprehension and understanding in that case.

Before I had dc I knew my working life was going to change. But I had no clue about the extent of the impact.

Upstartled · 15/12/2024 07:44

Nobody likes a whinger

ThePotholeHelpdesk · 15/12/2024 07:43

Maybe you're right then and they just think you're a whiny idiot

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 07:42

ThePotholeHelpdesk · 15/12/2024 07:39

Maybe they just asked how the new job was to be polite and you responded with a 20 minute monologue.

People just switch off as, (sorry, but), they don't actually really give a shit how your new job is.

In future just say, 'yeah it's alright, a few weirdos y'know'. If they want to know more detail they'll ask.

No I already explained that we talk about each other's work a fair bit, as we are in a similar field.

We ask questions about it in detail.

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friendconcern · 15/12/2024 07:41

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:23

I can actually understand that more, even though of course it's not an ideal response.

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I wonder if this is an indicator of why this might be happening. You seem to be saying here that it is more acceptable to blindly reassure someone with cancer that it will all be fine than your potential work culture concern.

I realise that you said you don’t have form for being over dramatic or over thinking, but this post suggests otherwise. I wonder if you do t notice how you come across.

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 07:40

@Imafraidtosayctr8 they're not that sort of upper class person you describe but I totally know the type you mean ! You describe them so well.

What's going on in the other person's head ? Honesty I think it's about the women and working women and the whole motherhood thing.

I think she thinks it's just old bats meaning and I am starting to think she's even anti feminism or something. She doesn't have kids yet, although she does want to be a mum and is in a committed relationship.

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ThePotholeHelpdesk · 15/12/2024 07:39

Maybe they just asked how the new job was to be polite and you responded with a 20 minute monologue.

People just switch off as, (sorry, but), they don't actually really give a shit how your new job is.

In future just say, 'yeah it's alright, a few weirdos y'know'. If they want to know more detail they'll ask.

biscuitsandbooks · 15/12/2024 07:37

When most people ask how your job is going, it's just small talk and they don't actually care all that much.

They were probably expecting you to say "yeah, really good thanks" or "well, work is work!" - they don't want to hear you ranting and complaining about company culture or some colleague they know nothing about about.

It sounds to me like you saw it as a question that required an honest and detailed answer whereas they were just being polite and making small talk with you.

Pandasnacks · 15/12/2024 07:36

If you no the relative is like this when why give them such a story when they are just making small talk? They clearly didn't want a big drama conversation. Maybe it's a case of over sharing on your part, some people will be ok with all the detail and others won't.

YourTurnForTheTree · 15/12/2024 07:35

I once told a newish friend about my difficult family dynamics. She said, ‘I am sure it’s not that bad’. I felt irritated and dismissed so never confided in her again. I had supported her through some serious crises by then and am very emotionally responsive. I think it’s poor social skills on her part.

I don’t think it’s worth overanalysing. Just don’t tell them important stuff any more.

arcticpandas · 15/12/2024 07:33

SchoolDilemma17 · 15/12/2024 07:25

And some with good social skills understand when to have small talk and when to have detailed conversations about work grievances. And when it’s time to move on.

That is true. But the OP stated she's not a "moaner" complaing regularly about things but that when she is, she doesn't find the suitable respons. And even if you think someone "ought to" just make small talk due to setting and that person talk about grievances good social skills is to take it in a stride and be the listener she needs rather than be dismissive;rude.

betterangels · 15/12/2024 07:32

I think they were making small talk and perhaps surprised when you brought up work issues. Not every conversation is a deep one.

Edingril · 15/12/2024 07:30

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:22

Not really at all. It doesn't happen much. But it really stands out to me when it does happen- when people behave this way towards me.

Or the way you think they behave if we could see both sides what would we be seeing?

FlakeyLurker · 15/12/2024 07:30

No idea (joke)

Imafraidtosayctr8 · 15/12/2024 07:28

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:37

I think it happens with the same couple of people. Because of their style. I don't think I'm a moaner, not any more than anyone else anyway tbh.

When they open up or ' moan ' about something, I'm just a lot kinder to them.

Are the people doing this rather posh op?

The reason I ask is that I have come across certain rather grand types, who have obviously been taught that it is impolite to moan about anything if “one is reasonably comfortable don’t you know” 😀

It’s a sort of upper class code. They communicate with total confidence and unerring positivity. And very superficially . And, rather weirdly, with almost rigid facial expressions.

It prevents any meaningful conversation about anything. And it also, rather conveniently, puts a barrier between you and them, and stops any controversial topics cropping up involving work and money.

If so, it’s not you, it’s them!

Btw op, it’s rather ironic on a thread about being dismissed, how many posters are dismissing you, No one gives anyone the benefit of the doubt any more do they?

You expressed a legitimate concern which a family member dismissed in quite an off-hand way, so it’s understandable you feel upset.

I think usually this sort of thing hzpoens because of what is going on in the other person’s head and usually, it’s not really about you.

Could they be jealous of you and your job? Are they thinking in their head “what’s she got to worry about?”

Or could you having this job suit them in some way, either financially, or because of reflected glory? Or do they worry that their circumstances will change in some way if it doesn’t work out? Or could there be another reason why they are invested in you keeping this job?

Or maybe it was about the topic of your conversation and they have some prejudices about working women? Or they struggled with childcare and wrongly think you have more help then they did, but don’t want to say that out loud? Or something similar?

Either way op, I hope your new job works out for you. It can be very hard if everything else seems right about a position but you just don’t feel at ease in the company culture. (Give it six months and make a decision maybe?) 💐

JingleB · 15/12/2024 07:26

It’s their social response - a kind of “there, there,” calming reply intended to reply to your concerns while moving the topic on to something’nicer,’ I think.

Sometimes it can be very tone deaf. But I think it’s meant in a vaguely positive way.

SchoolDilemma17 · 15/12/2024 07:25

arcticpandas · 15/12/2024 07:22

For some it is hard work to just listen to a person and validate their feelings. For those with emotional maturity it comes naturally so no hard work at all.

And some with good social skills understand when to have small talk and when to have detailed conversations about work grievances. And when it’s time to move on.

Apolloneuro · 15/12/2024 07:23

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:47

@Apolloneuro well I don't know how they react towards others. My husband also finds this particular relative cold and lacking in effort in general.

But we are quite a close family so we are really trying to make a lot of effort with this person.

But when I get this kind of response, it really puts me off them and I think I'm just going to mind my own business because I don't feel great in their company.

I think that it’s helpful to reflect and kinda work out what kind of conversation works with different people.

One person I know likes to have deep and meaningful conversations, whilst another is quite easily triggered, so prefers to keep things quite light. I’m mindful about their preferred communication style when I’m with them.

Maybe your people just can’t/don’t want to engage with what they perceive as negativity. That’s ok, just keep things quite light with them and tell other people your negatives.

I think what I’m trying to say is maybe it’s not that they’re wrong or you’re wrong. It’s not a one stop shop.

arcticpandas · 15/12/2024 07:22

SeanMean · 15/12/2024 06:50

You sound like you are quite hard work OP!

For some it is hard work to just listen to a person and validate their feelings. For those with emotional maturity it comes naturally so no hard work at all.