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What is it with people being so dismissive ?

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twinklefar · 15/12/2024 06:07

I was seeing some family the other day and they asked me how a new job was going. I mentioned a lot of positives and then also some negatives, in particular that someone had said some things to me and I was a bit worried as a result about the company culture and whether I was going to fit into it as a working parent. The thread isn't about what was said, it's about the reaction of the person I was speaking to..

The person was at first very reluctant to even actually respond and then they said ' oh I'm sure that person didn't mean it. Oh I'm sure they say that to everyone.' It really wasn't a situation where I misunderstood something. I felt totally dismissed. I would literally NEVER respond like this to anyone. Even if I disagreed, I would still say something like ' oh that sounds difficult. I understand how that wasn't a helpful thing for that person to say. Do you think there's any chance they're just a bit clueless? '. Or something along those lines, to not entirely dismiss that person's concerns.

I've noticed this kind of thing has happened a few times and it always makes me feel rubbish. And no before you come for me, I'm not always sitting around complaining any more than anyone else in the extended family.

Often this has happened with younger family members, could it be an age thing ? Occasionally my MIL also does it to me. I never open up and tell her anything anymore because she always dismissed my feelings immediately anyway.

But the thing I told the other member of the family the other day would have been something MIL would have totally agreed with me with. She wouldn't have brushed it off like that at all. The thing I was concerned about came from the most senior person in my office and not from some random. It's definitely not ideal.

I feel like it's toxic positivity mixed with just poor social skills. Or they just think I'm a whiney idiot. I promise you that I do not complain about things any more than any other person in the family whatsoever. I'm just talking about my life and experiences.

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GretchenWienersHair · 15/12/2024 08:51

It sounds to me that they think you’re over-reacting and don’t have the energy to coddle it. Whether you are over-reacting or not is impossible to say without knowing the context, but the person you were speaking to clearly thinks you are.

5128gap · 15/12/2024 08:51

Its not a particularly helpful response from a therapist, mentor, best friend or partner. But from a young relative in a social situation, then it's fine. It's well meaning enough, coming from a place of trying to reassure, when they probably can't think of anything constructive to say and don't want to be negative. When people ask these questions, unless they're one of the people I mentioned, theyre typically not expecting to have to show active empathy, validate your feelings and spend the next hour exploring it with you. Its just a chat.

sometimesmovingforwards · 15/12/2024 08:50

Maybe they’re just trying to help you think positivity.

Or they’re bored and want to wrap things up quickly to avoid getting dragged into a pointlessly negative conversation with a whole load of ‘he said, she said’ details normally supplied in someone else’s work related micro drama. We’ve all been there, glancing at a wall clock thinking ‘ffs when will this stop, I wish I’d never bloody asked…’.

Barleypilaf · 15/12/2024 08:49

In your doctor example, it’s a lot easier to do that with your friend as you are not going to lose sleep over whether their child is vaccinated or not.

However, would you be so blasé if it was your grandchild?

It is easy to validate friends, therapy clients etc as you’re not that emotionally invested. It’s much harder when it’s a close relative.

Barleypilaf · 15/12/2024 08:46

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:42

Yeah even if I thought the person was being a bit dramatic, I wouldn't ever dismiss them if I cared about them.

I had a friend who just hated doctors. They could never get anything right. Vaccines are all poison, every reaction her kids had to things was caused by evil medicine and vaccines,

I didn't agree with her but I still cared about her enough to not just dismiss her immediately when this stuff came up. It was important to her and I cared about my friend. I would listen and try to understand and make her feel heard, especially when she was explaining something and seemed upset about it. If then in general conversation, when she wasn't emotionally charged, I would challenge her perhaps on some things if I felt it necessary for the greater good. I don't know, I just think if you're trying to have a connection / friendship with someone , it's what you do.

Again, black and white thinking. Only one valid response.

SchoolDilemma17 · 15/12/2024 08:44

You are blowing this out of all proportions now. In the grand scheme of things nothing major happened and you can’t change your relatives. Your expectations are clearly not met, so either let them know or move on and keep your conversations to small talk.

None of my relatives are interested in my work stuff beyond small talk, so maybe just save those conversations for your DH and friends.

the80sweregreat · 15/12/2024 08:44

People are generally only worried about themselves op ;(
They will dismiss it because they don't want to listen or hear it really and then shut it down.
All too familiar to how my own friends are sometimes.
It is annoying

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:42

Cakeandcardio · 15/12/2024 08:37

I have a SIL who does this. She is older than me so not a young person thing. I have no idea why she does it but it is fucking infuriating to be told it was just a 'lack of communication' when a nurse did something wrong in hospital and I lodged a complaint.

Yeah even if I thought the person was being a bit dramatic, I wouldn't ever dismiss them if I cared about them.

I had a friend who just hated doctors. They could never get anything right. Vaccines are all poison, every reaction her kids had to things was caused by evil medicine and vaccines,

I didn't agree with her but I still cared about her enough to not just dismiss her immediately when this stuff came up. It was important to her and I cared about my friend. I would listen and try to understand and make her feel heard, especially when she was explaining something and seemed upset about it. If then in general conversation, when she wasn't emotionally charged, I would challenge her perhaps on some things if I felt it necessary for the greater good. I don't know, I just think if you're trying to have a connection / friendship with someone , it's what you do.

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ChristmasEveNotChristmasSteve · 15/12/2024 08:41

I think they're trying to reassure you or make you feel better. I suppose it could be seen as toxic positivity. You might need to explain that you'd prefer brutal honesty than being coddled.

Barleypilaf · 15/12/2024 08:41

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:25

@friendconcern what does that post make you think I'm like exactly and I'll tell you if that's how I am.

I already explained how I meant it. I don't think it's ever fine to dismiss anyone with ' you'll be fine '. Ever.

OP - you are extremely black and white in your thinking. You seem to think that there is only one correct way to respond, and any other response is ‘dismissive’ and as a result you want to reduce contact.

People are all different. I wouldn’t go to my mum with work problems as she would both downplay them to me as she wanted to make them go away, but also worry about them afterwards. But friends could be great at the empathising as they were less invested.

She was a fantastic mum.

ZeppelinTits · 15/12/2024 08:39

Some people are just really emotionally unintelligent and it's really galling. I try not to expect empathy or validation from those people because they won't give it. Otherwise you are just setting yourself up to be hurt.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 15/12/2024 08:38

My husband used to do this. It's something that drives me bonkers and I asked him why on earth he does it.

He told me that he hates to see me upset or worried and he's trying to make me feel better.

Is it possible the person who's saying what you describe is doing it because they care about you and are trying to make you feel better?

(I told my husband it doesn't make me feel better. It makes me feel dismissed and angry and like he doesn't believe me and he stopped doing it. Perhaps you could have a similar conversation?)

Cakeandcardio · 15/12/2024 08:37

I have a SIL who does this. She is older than me so not a young person thing. I have no idea why she does it but it is fucking infuriating to be told it was just a 'lack of communication' when a nurse did something wrong in hospital and I lodged a complaint.

Lottapianos · 15/12/2024 08:35

'Is it an overreaction to not want to spend entire weekends with people who are cold and dismissive? I don't think so really'

No, not at all. And if you were having a moan, and blowing off a bit of steam, shouldn't that be ok? I'm sure you weren't rattling on for hours about it. No, other people's work stuff isn't always fascinating but if you care about the person, you make a bit of space for them to share what's important to them

I can absolutely relate OP and you've had some very sneery dismissive responses on this thread too.

TowerBallroom · 15/12/2024 08:35

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:26

@Imafraidtosayctr8 agreed. It's never actually OK !

Agree Op Calling yourself names isn't helpful

There are/a number of things that might make someone react like this
They feel uncomfortable
They feel you are oversharing/ complaining
They don't want to talk about the subject anymore

I would take it as a social cue and just share less, make a mental note to keep it to " good thanks"
By continuing to share, expect a different reaction to one you KNOW you won't get, you are allowing them to be dismissive to you

So stop

Apolloneuro · 15/12/2024 08:34

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:31

@Apolloneuro I've had a good amount of therapy in my life and I think everyone should have it, so I'm not offended.

Something has been off with this person, it's not an isolated incidence in that sense. Is it an overreaction to not want to spend entire weekends with people who are cold and dismissive? I don't think so really.

Of course it’s not, but assuming their reaction means they think you’re an idiot and not worth caring about, possibly is?

Edited - do you think you’re an idiot and not worth caring about?

candlerhyme · 15/12/2024 08:33

I may be wrong but it sounds like the crux of the matter is that this person spends a lot of time in your house at weekends yet you feel deep down they don't like you very much and therefore you're feeling a bit used.

If that is correct then cut down their visits. No need to make a big drama of it, just don't invite them around. Be busy doing other stuff, with other people.

YourTurnForTheTree · 15/12/2024 08:33

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:31

@Apolloneuro I've had a good amount of therapy in my life and I think everyone should have it, so I'm not offended.

Something has been off with this person, it's not an isolated incidence in that sense. Is it an overreaction to not want to spend entire weekends with people who are cold and dismissive? I don't think so really.

I wouldn’t want to spend an entire weekend with anyone! Who is this relative? Your own child? Otherwise why are you quite so bothered?

PastaAndProse · 15/12/2024 08:33

Eugh, even reading your posts is a bit exhausting OP. There's just a general sense of being a bit of an over thinker/reading too much into everything/wanting to justify your own actions even to complete strangers on the internet. Truth is, your relative probably finds you quite hard work. You don't think they're very kind to you. It's that simple, just spend less time with them. You can't force someone to like you who doesn't.

YourTurnForTheTree · 15/12/2024 08:32

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:19

@YourTurnForTheTree it just makes me dislike them and not want to spend time with them. It makes me feel like they think I'm not worth being nice to. Or they think I'm an idiot clearly, so why should I waste my time with someone who thinks I'm an idiot ?

It depends if they add other value to your life. The friend who dismissed my comments about my difficult family, has other qualities. So we are still friends but I don’t confide in her any more.

It’s up to you of course how much time you spend with her. Do you think she really thinks you are an idiot though? Just because she couldn’t be bothered to engage or empathise, doesn’t necessarily mean she thinks that?

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:31

@Apolloneuro I've had a good amount of therapy in my life and I think everyone should have it, so I'm not offended.

Something has been off with this person, it's not an isolated incidence in that sense. Is it an overreaction to not want to spend entire weekends with people who are cold and dismissive? I don't think so really.

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user1471538283 · 15/12/2024 08:31

I've found particularly this year that people are dismissive until it happens to them. I've been terrified and distraught this summer and one ex friend told me to take it easy. This friend had mad dramatics and outbursts over nothing. So I do hope when something life altering happens to her someone tells her the same thing.

Barleypilaf · 15/12/2024 08:27

OP - if this is your mum, she is most likely now worrying that your new job isn’t going to work out. My mum would have done the same with a new job as she wants it to go well, and wants to make sure that it does. She would have found agreeing that there’s a major concern difficult as she wanted things to go well for me.

Friends simply aren’t as invested. As a result, I shared my work concerns more with friends.

Does that mean my friends were more empathetic?

They validated my feelings much more and were very helpful. But I doubt any of them ever lay awake at night worrying about whether my job was working out.

Apolloneuro · 15/12/2024 08:27

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:19

@YourTurnForTheTree it just makes me dislike them and not want to spend time with them. It makes me feel like they think I'm not worth being nice to. Or they think I'm an idiot clearly, so why should I waste my time with someone who thinks I'm an idiot ?

Oh love, that’s quite a big reaction. Are there other things going on? I don’t want to be presumptuous, but maybe talking to a professional might be helpful (and I say this as someone who’s openly been seeing a psychotherapist for a long term. It’s changed my life, pretty much)

twinklefar · 15/12/2024 08:26

@Imafraidtosayctr8 agreed. It's never actually OK !

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