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To just cancel the meeting if this friend doesn't confirm tonight?

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suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 16:48

I have a new friend who tends to change plans all of the time. Let's say we decided to meet for coffee a week ago and chose a time, date and place. She will then contact me several times throughout the week to make changes and adjustments.

I do believe that she wants to meet me because she initiates most meetings, but the change of plans is driving me crazy. I have already told her that it would be great if she'd confirm earlier, because her last minute planning is difficult for me to manage as I also want to spend time with family and have chores to do. I don't have many friends here yet and that is maybe why I'm trying again and again but wondering if I should just not bother anymore? She is a nice person, but even though I have told her that this is hard for me it doesn't seem to change.

Our most recent conversation for a meeting tomorrow went like this:

She wrote on Monday if I would like to meet this weekend. I said: "Sure" and asked her if she had something specific in mind. She said she'd like to go for coffee and suggested a cafe she likes. I asked her if time X fit her and she said "yes". So for me it was arranged and I looked forward to it. I have a busy week and she contacted me on Wednesday again asking if I wanted to do something else (bowling) at a different time and in a different place instead. I told her that I would prefer to stick to the original plan as I know from experience she always tries to change things and I'm stressed out by it, which she knows. She said "okay". On Friday she contacted me again saying that she couldn't get a table at this cafe. I had previously asked her if I should make the reservation as I have done lots of bookings for our meetings before, but she said she'd take care of it. So she told me we'd have to go to another place and she picked one that is two tube stations away from the original place so that was fine by me.

Today she contacts me again and says that she wants to meet earlier because the new cafe is further away and she wants to spend more time with me. But for me it is inconvenient to change the time yet again and the new cafe is less than 10 minutes away from our original meeting place. It also closes at 8 pm so we'd have lots of time. The replies to my last thread also helped me stay strong and not cave in again, so thanks for that (it is here, if you'd like to read it, I listed another conversation that we had earlier so you can see how it always goes: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5229148-planning-a-day-and-some-red-flags-am-i-the-problem?reply=140495090 )

She is now not repyling anymore, since I told her that I want to stick to the original time. Would you just go there tomorrow at time X or not? If she confirms tomorrow, should I go or cancel due to her giving me such short notice? She knows it stresses me and that I can't plan the rest of my day, e.g. go for breakfast with my family or book a sports class.

Sorry, this thread probably doesn't portray accurately how stressful it is, maybe also read our conversation before this one in the other thread. She always does this and it's so hard for me not knowing when we will meet and if we will meet as I can't plan things around our meetings. It's like she wants me to sit around all day and wait and not be able to arrange other things. We're also in London, so if she changes the location this can add lots of time to the journey as it is a huge city.

Thanks a lot for helping. It feels so good to just tell someone. She often doesn't write either, but sends long voice messages and it just stresses me out to listen to them several times per week and rearranging plans again and again.

What do I do? Go there? Wait for a reply? Cancel if she doesn't answer tonight? Or should I tell her again?

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I have a new friend whom I've known for a few months. She's a nice person, but we've met a few times now and the way she plans meetings is driving me...

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suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 16:19

@Looptop thanks for sharing your story! that was helpful!

@NeverOneBiscuit thanks, it was interesting to read it from another perspective!

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Looptop · 06/05/2025 13:18

I used to have a similar friend. My issue was she’d arrange to meet at say 10am for a coffee but she never wanted to leave! So every time I made moves to leave she’d say “oh let’s just get another drink! Let’s go to that pub over the road for one! Let’s go into that shop on the way home!” I always felt kind of bad saying no when I didn’t really have anything else to do. But some days I’d still be with her at 5pm! It was almost as long as a working day when we’d only arranged a “coffee”. If I ever suggested meeting in the afternoon she’d moan that we wouldn’t have long to talk. Honestly, after 7 hours on a weekly basis we were rapidly running out of things to talk about anyway! She was also an “overstayer” if she came round. Would arrive at midday and occasionally was still there at midnight! It got to the point I used to get stressed whenever she’d ask to meet because even when I’d told her I couldn’t do these “all day” meets, she would insist this time she only meant a coffee/lunch and she’d always invent a reason she also needed to leave, but when it came to it I’d get guilt tripped into staying longer and her “reasons” for leaving had miraculously been changed or cancelled.

The final time I saw her she had suggested a breakfast in a cafe followed by the cinema. We met at 8am because she said she needed to be home by 2 for an appointment. Well of course we had breakfast, watched the film and she suggested a quick drink in the pub (it was midday). I agreed but only had a coffee. At 1 I suggested we should get going. Her 2pm appointment had now been “cancelled” and she said we should get lunch. I agreed. (I know I’m an idiot). At 4pm I said I was leaving. I told her I did not want to get stuck in rush hour traffic. Her suggestion was waiting until AFTER rush hour to leave!! So potentially another 3 hours! Which would take me up to almost 12 hours with her!! Despite the fact she’d said she wanted to meet early because she was busy later. It was all just bollocks. I don’t know if she was unhappy or had reasons she didn’t like being at home. But anyway at 4pm I just left. She told me I was being ridiculous and boring. I haven’t seen her since. She sent me a long ranting message about me “abandoning her” and clearly not wanting to see her etc etc. I never replied.

The only time she ever left early was if she had a better offer. Once she suggested an early morning coffee at 9am. I arrived and she said she needed to leave by 9.30 as she had a date. I asked why she didn’t just cancel our coffee as it took me longer to get there than it would to drink it now. She just shrugged and said she still wanted to have a quick coffee and cake before her date.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 06/05/2025 12:43

I wouldn't message ending the friendship. Therein lies opportunity for her to promise she'll change, guilt trip you further and up the drama. She sounds very manipulative. I would wait til she contacts you then be vague, but say you don't have time at the moment. Don't ask her about her life. Don't reply straight away either. If she tries to push it, you have my permission to block her. 😊

loropianalover · 06/05/2025 12:40

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:58

Thank you for your helpful advice! I don't have many friends here yet, but I realise I must try to make new friends instead of spending time with her.

Definitely concentrate on new social settings - you’ll have so much free time now that you don’t have to be thinking of this woman and constantly rearranging things with her! Have a look and see what’s available to you locally - maybe a walking group, book club, art class? Or maybe the local library wants volunteers?

NeverOneBiscuit · 06/05/2025 12:35

Imagine she was posting here.

I’ve recently made a new friend. She seems happy for me to endlessly change our arrangements to meet up, even last minute. I’m often late, make passive aggressive comments regarding her eating habits & am happy for her to leave if another friend shows up.

I screwed up my degree, was fired from an internship & can’t accept a drug addict I was dating no longer wants a relationship with me. This latter issue has triggered my stalker tendencies, which I can see I’m now transferring onto my new friend.

I don’t know why but this friend seems to accept my poor treatment of her. Weirdly she even seems to feel sorry for me, & guilty if she doesn’t continue to see me. I’m wondering if she’s a rescuer?

This whole friendship is deeply unhealthy. I’d simply block her. You don’t need a farewell, you don’t owe her an explanation. If you can’t bring yourself to do this you seriously need to ask yourself why.

Imagine how much better your life will be without her.

Shakeyshakeyshake · 06/05/2025 11:53

Personally I’d say no need to message to end the friendship. Just say whatever days don’t suit and don’t initiate any meet ups. It’ll fade out rather than bring her on you, as such.

If you feel the need then block her number. But I’d just let it fade out…

Cardinalita90 · 06/05/2025 11:39

From what you've said, I doubt slow fading her will work. You probably need a direct message and then immediately block. If you don't she'll harass you, you'll feel guilty, she'll suck you back in or you'll reach out when you don't have anyone to meet and think "she couldn't have been that bad could she?" And you're back to square one.

I get that making friends in London can be hard but thats what you need to focus on. Its been 5 months since you first posted so what efforts and progress have you made in cultivating other friendships in that time? It's the perfect time of year for outdoor activities, open air theatre, lates at museums - focus on finding someone who shares your interests and isn't so self absorbed.

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 11:31

SelinaPlace · 06/05/2025 11:21

But her behaviour, boundaries, preferences etc are outside your control. The only behaviours you can change here are your own. You were writing exactly the same thing back in December. If you don’t alter things, I can guarantee you’ll be writing similar posts in December 2025. It’s your choice to engage or not.

You’re just not compatible, and you sound vulnerable, otherwise you wouldn’t be ‘stressed out all week’ by a possible coffee at the weekend, or trailing around London to be on the same tube and engaging in endless faff about booking café tables to have a cup of tea and a croissant with someone you don’t appear to like. You mention having breakfast with family and a sports class as things impacted by changing weekend arrangements —why not prioritise those? I could see someone else being ok with more fluid arrangements or clashing communication styles, but this doesn’t work for you, so just stop choosing it.

Thank you, the first part is really helpful.

I wasn't stressed all week by a possible coffee, I was stressed because she sent never ending voice messages every day altering arrangements and it felt like a chore having to listen to/reply to them on top of everything else (job, family). I also didn't trail around London to take the same tube (that was her) so I think you misunderstood that part.

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suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 11:27

Lighttodark · 06/05/2025 11:15

You’re also showing a lack of boundaries and ability to look after yourself. Seriously, it feels off, you know it’s off, you don’t need advice from the internet, you should trust your gut instinct.

I came to this forum seeking perspective, not judgment. Ending a friendship is not always that easy and asking for an outside view helps clarify things.

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SelinaPlace · 06/05/2025 11:21

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:57

I don't have many friends here yet and was trying to make it work. I felt lonely.

I mentioned the relationship because she showed a lack of boundaries by not accepting the decision to just stay friends in one case and not accepting that someone doesn't want daily contact in the other.

But her behaviour, boundaries, preferences etc are outside your control. The only behaviours you can change here are your own. You were writing exactly the same thing back in December. If you don’t alter things, I can guarantee you’ll be writing similar posts in December 2025. It’s your choice to engage or not.

You’re just not compatible, and you sound vulnerable, otherwise you wouldn’t be ‘stressed out all week’ by a possible coffee at the weekend, or trailing around London to be on the same tube and engaging in endless faff about booking café tables to have a cup of tea and a croissant with someone you don’t appear to like. You mention having breakfast with family and a sports class as things impacted by changing weekend arrangements —why not prioritise those? I could see someone else being ok with more fluid arrangements or clashing communication styles, but this doesn’t work for you, so just stop choosing it.

Lighttodark · 06/05/2025 11:15

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:57

I don't have many friends here yet and was trying to make it work. I felt lonely.

I mentioned the relationship because she showed a lack of boundaries by not accepting the decision to just stay friends in one case and not accepting that someone doesn't want daily contact in the other.

You’re also showing a lack of boundaries and ability to look after yourself. Seriously, it feels off, you know it’s off, you don’t need advice from the internet, you should trust your gut instinct.

Imbusytodaysorry · 06/05/2025 11:03

@suzettenoisette join the gym a class a workshop and club . Anything but spend time with her . Make yourself busy then you may actually be too busy for her.

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:58

loropianalover · 06/05/2025 10:37

OP she is using your good nature against you. It’s obvious you feel very strongly about not wanting to do anything that will be perceived as ‘mean’ ‘not right’ - she knows this and is pushing the limits with you to see how far she can get.

You really just need to stop replying to her. Explanations and sorrys and messages are never going to get through to her. She has been rude and inconsiderate towards you and you need to toughen up and shrug her off. You’ve had 2 threads on her now, she has so much hold over you and it’s not normal. Focus on your family, sports classes, good friends etc. and just forget about her. She will move on to someone else.

Thank you for your helpful advice! I don't have many friends here yet, but I realise I must try to make new friends instead of spending time with her.

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suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:57

I don't have many friends here yet and was trying to make it work. I felt lonely.

I mentioned the relationship because she showed a lack of boundaries by not accepting the decision to just stay friends in one case and not accepting that someone doesn't want daily contact in the other.

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SelinaPlace · 06/05/2025 10:38

OP, I remember your other threads. To be honest, you’re coming across equally oddly here. The ‘friendship’ simply doesn’t work for you, and never has — not just the way she makes and changes arrangements, her transport preferences, her desire for particular patterns and duration of contact etc, but you appear frequently irritated or upset by things she says, and say your MH suffers from contact with her. Things which have no immediate relevance to you, like her most recent relationship, are clearly bothering you. You don’t like her. You don’t trust her enough to tell her where you live! And it’s a comparatively new fruendship. Why on earth have you persisted in it?

loropianalover · 06/05/2025 10:37

OP she is using your good nature against you. It’s obvious you feel very strongly about not wanting to do anything that will be perceived as ‘mean’ ‘not right’ - she knows this and is pushing the limits with you to see how far she can get.

You really just need to stop replying to her. Explanations and sorrys and messages are never going to get through to her. She has been rude and inconsiderate towards you and you need to toughen up and shrug her off. You’ve had 2 threads on her now, she has so much hold over you and it’s not normal. Focus on your family, sports classes, good friends etc. and just forget about her. She will move on to someone else.

Serpentstooth · 06/05/2025 10:32

Life's too short for this. Don't go, don't reply to any messages. Ditch her.

Imbusytodaysorry · 06/05/2025 10:26

@suzettenoisette you are going to have to decide who you put first her or yourself ? If you choose her who do you think she will
choose ?

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 10:23

Thank you. I'm wondering if she would get more intense if I wrote a message ending the friendship as this would show her that I wasn't interested in pursuing it further and therefore trigger a response/fear in her to try everything to save it. Maybe simply not suggesting anything and being busy when she writes would be better, but that would also feel mean/not right to me :(

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 06/05/2025 10:03

I’m not sure it’s worth saying anything. But she seems to have stalkerish tendencies so maybe you should so that she doesn’t start following you around.

Dear Elsie. I’ve been reflecting on our last couple of meetings as I realised that they made me feel very uncomfortable. I don’t think we are compatible as friends. I didn’t want to ghost you, which is why I am letting you know. I know that you’ve had some difficult times recently and I hope that you are able to find the support need in the future. All the best.

Don’t fet drawn into a discussion. If she asks what the issues are you can give her a couple of examples but if she doesn’t take this as the end that it is, block her.

suzettenoisette · 06/05/2025 09:04

Little update:

I decided to give it another try, which I regret as things have not gotten better. I now want to end the friendship. How do I do this? Due to her behaviour I feel like a direct message telling her will lead to denial, blaming me and gaslighting. Any ideas? Then on some days I feel like a bad person for wanting to end the friendship as I feel that she depends on me. I just don't know what to do, but I feel drained and unhappy after every time meeting her.

Things that have happened that made me realise that things really won't change:

  • We met yesterday and she didn't reply and confirm again until I asked her to please confirm (not a horrible thing, but annoying). She was also late again even though it was an event you needed to be punctual for (cinema). She apologised this time.
  • We went for a meal afterwards and she again commented on my eating habits, saying "Wow" when I decided to get another helping at the buffet.
  • I asked her whether she was done eating after we spent a long time at the restaurant and she said that she was. Then I told her I would like to go home as I had work early the next morning. She then said she would like another dessert after all. Not a big deal in general, but she has often tried to keep me from leaving after I had announced that I wanted or needed to go home not respecting my decision.
  • I went to the station and she insisted on taking the tube with me, even though she doesn't need to go into that direction. I asked her why as it wasn't convenient for her at all and she would have to take a 25 minute walk to get home whereas otherwise she could go home directly. She said she wanted to walk, but I find it oddly controlling that she doesn't really want to let me go.
  • She told me about an ex boyfriend she was with for 2 years. She said that she hangs out in places he goes to in the hopes of accidentally meeting him there. One of the places he always hangs out at is a bar we went to a few times and that she insisted we go to even though it is not particularly nice. So she kind of used me just to hang out somewhere where she might meet her ex.
  • She told me that the ex didn't want to call her every day during their relationship and that she was angry about that as daily phone calls are normal and he should have called her from work.
  • She told me that she wanted to meet him one day and was mad that he wouldn't make time to see her. She argued that anyone who cares about you can spare 30 minutes. I tried to explain to her that people have jobs and a social life and that most people can't just take 30 minutes out of their day to see someone on short notice but she didn't understand. We live in London so not like it is small and you can just go everywhere in 10 minutes.
  • She always asks which bus I take, which station I get off, where I live exactly, where my family lives exactly (not just general area, but exact bus stop etc.). I normally would have told her ages ago where I live exactly and invited her, but her intense questions surrounding this have creeped me out and I haven't invited her to my home yet.
  • She recently had an affair with a drug addict. He then decided he just wanted to be friends. She told him she didn't want a friendship. She told me that she still writes to him every day and I asked why given that he has told her he doesn't want a relationship and she said "maybe he will change his mind, I will keep on trying".

I also feel sorry for her and I did enjoy aspects of our friendship, but I just feel like she has issues with people setting boundaries and I feel like it is not healthy for me to be her friend. What do you think? Really need some advice as I feel so torn. I want to walk away but somehow feel guilty.

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Marine30 · 15/12/2024 23:20

From reading your posts OP you sound like a nice, empathetic and caring person. Unfortunately your friend is none of these things and is preying on you because she can mess you around and you will tolerate it (or so she thinks).
But don’t put up with it any longer. Not only is it making you sad, it might be preventing you from meeting other, far nicer people because you’re busy with this head case. Cut all contact - you won’t regret it.

suzettenoisette · 15/12/2024 22:42

You're a kind friend. I personally just can't deal with it anymore. It's not just the constant changes of where and when we meet, but also the unfriendly comments. My own mental health suffers, when I constantly have to spend time on planning something as easy as having a coffee together and I only have a few free days per week, I don't want to spend them sitting around, hoping that someone decides to see me.

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Coco2024 · 15/12/2024 22:22

I have a friend like this. She has ADHD. Often changes plans and it can be very stressful. In the past I’ve tried to get her to commit to a plan so I can plan around it, but it doesn’t work.
so now I accept is as part of the parcel of friendship with her, she’s a wonderful person with so many wonderful qualities, but I know not to book anything else when I’m meeting her and keep a window of a few hours either way for lateness or changes in the plan. Sometimes I have genuinely been worried if she’ll actually turn up or not. Shes a friend I’ve known for ages and love her to bits. I don’t see her that often, I guess I can only do the above occasionally

pineapplesundae · 15/12/2024 20:25

Stick with this decision. It’s not your job to cushion her life.