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Being made to feel bad because I can't go to after work drinks or Christmas parties at the moment

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twokittlepumpkins · 14/12/2024 12:11

I have a new job and couldn't make the Christmas party and it's been pointed out how it's really important to make social occasions.

I'm barely keeping things together as it is- now I am going to be made to feel bad for not being able to go to the party ?

I only have so much energy in a day and I need my sleep to function - I have to sleep by 9 pm if I want to be able to get up at 6 to do the school run and then get to work.

I suffer from a chronic illness which causes fatigue ( MS ) work don't know and I don't want to say.

I also have two kids, 2 and 5. Just the fact that I'm working my arse off at this new job, I am working harder than I've probably ever worked in my life. I am working full time and 3 days in the office. I'm chatting to everyone and putting myself out there when I'm there. There aren't any working parents in my particular role / team. I just don't think they get it at all. The MD has now asked on three separate occasions if I am going to the party and then if I went. Each time he made me feel rubbish about it. Raising his eyebrow and pointing out how important it is to make these events.

I just feel like he has no idea how hard this is, otherwise he would show some understanding. I made it clear that I love socials but having a Christmas lunch would be more appropriate for me at the moment. I had only a week or so notice of the party and couldn't find anyone to pick up the slack the next day- which is what would have been required.

My husband can't just take a day off work because I'm too tired to get up from the Christmas party. He also would have needed more notice.

I'm super sociable and actually love social stuff with colleagues but this just wasn't possible this time. I'll try and plan it next time but I'm sick and tired of being made to feel bad about this.

I can not come to after work drinks often as I need to pick up my kids. Surely it's more important that I'm able to function the next day to do my job? Where's the understanding of people's circumstances?

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mrspresents · 16/12/2024 07:26

I worried about disclosing my mental health condition to my company when I started, but decided to tell my line manager. He was great about it, and reassured me that the company would support me, which in all fairness they have.

Mumlaplomb · 16/12/2024 07:22

OP if you disclose you have MS it would give them a duty to make reasonable adjustments and you would have some protection legally for things like not going to the Xmas party, which you will not have if they don’t know. Tell HR and explain about the boss wanting you to go to the party and why you are not.

AnImaginaryCat · 16/12/2024 07:15

You say the MD has asked three times -twice before and once after; and made you feel rubbish about it by raising his eyebrows and saying you should have gone?

If no one else is bothered you didn't attend. You are in control of that feeling rubbish side of things. It suggests it's not the culture of the organisation but just your MD is the twit witj poor management skills. (Or more kindly, possible born from the fact he's only experienced men in your role, so only experienced the level of men's childcare responsibilities.)

Ask your line manager if you've made a major faux pas about not going to the party. He/she could very well say something along the lines of that's it's just the MD has thing about it.

Regarding informing the company about the fact you have MS. You don't have to, but if you don't the company don't have to give you any accommodations regarding it. I understand a lot of people only reveal chronic illnesses after passing probation out of fear they might lose their job, but that's the exact reason people should because the company are aware they can't fail probation over something down to a genuine medical illness.

twokittlepumpkins · 16/12/2024 06:47

FrenchandSaunders · 16/12/2024 06:44

Why is the school run and all the kid stuff down to you? Even without an illness it doesn’t seem fair that this is all on you. What does your DH do?

The school run is up to me on work from home days, of which there are two. In addition I do all the pick ups.

If they'd had the party on a Friday, I would easily have been able to attend. Which I also mentioned. A lunch time thing or on a Friday would have been fine for me to go. But not during the week, this time.

My line manager didn't bat an eye lid. Just the big boss.

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FrenchandSaunders · 16/12/2024 06:44

Why is the school run and all the kid stuff down to you? Even without an illness it doesn’t seem fair that this is all on you. What does your DH do?

Toodaloo1567 · 16/12/2024 06:30

CassandraWebb · 14/12/2024 12:28

Why aren't you telling them about your MS?

It's a protected condition under the Equality Act , they have a duty to make adjustments

But if they don't know they can't be expected to mind read

She may have signed a form saying ‘I have no health conditions’ (a pre-requisite for working at this company).

Zanatdy · 16/12/2024 06:28

I’d just say ordinarily you’d go, but you can’t get a sitter at Christmas with one week’s notice. Very unfair for them to be making people feel bad. Your LM should know about your health issue, adjustments may be able to be made. Some companies place great importance on social’s, sounds like this is one of them

CrazyGoatLady · 16/12/2024 06:25

Sympathy OP - pressure to attend a social event outside working hours isn't ok. There are lots of reasons why going to those isn't possible for many people. Childcare, elderly care, disability, neurodivergence, chronic illness, being a non-drinker - it should just be possible to say no to outside work events. Unless there's a requirement of the job to occasionally socialise out of work with clients, pressure to socialise in other ways is not ok.

However. If you've not told the MD exactly why you can't go, you also can't expect him to understand your reasons either.

twokittlepumpkins · 16/12/2024 06:12

I would not talk about MS if I was on probation and wanted to keep the job (sorry, I know I'll get angry responses about that, but realistically? I would keep my mouth shut. Employers have ways of getting rid of people if they think they are going to be trouble

This is my worry. However the only thing that reassures me a bit is that it took them quite a while to find me as I have a specific skill set and just from speaking to others, they're quite desperate to keep me in the role. Recruiting is expensive and especially for my role it's taken ages. So I think unless I really mess it up, I'll most likely be ok, even if I do tell them about it.

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twokittlepumpkins · 16/12/2024 06:09

@Jumpingthruhoops I can do the job, I just couldn't go to the Christmas party. I would be able to go if I had been able to arrange for someone to wake up with my kids and take them to school the next day.

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GreenTeaLikesMe · 16/12/2024 03:16

I would not talk about MS if I was on probation and wanted to keep the job (sorry, I know I'll get angry responses about that, but realistically? I would keep my mouth shut. Employers have ways of getting rid of people if they think they are going to be trouble).

I WOULD say "My husband will be working away from home for a few days around that time and there is no possibility of getting a babysitter. I'm sorry, I do understand about the importance of in-person socializing, but I really want to prioritize my energies for my job, so I'm going to have to decline this time. Hopefully I can manage a lunch some time next year instead."

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/12/2024 02:59

twokittlepumpkins · 14/12/2024 12:58

I'm on probation and I'm worried they'll think I can't do the job.

I already feel like I need to prove myself twice as hard.

There are no women with kids doing my role.

But you have kinda admitted here that you are struggling to do the job!?

Whether we like it or not, some roles do require people to go 'above and beyond' in their job, which may, at times, involve attending meetings, socials etc. It's just how it is in business.
Doesn't make it 'right'; just makes it business.

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/12/2024 02:50

OP: 'I just feel like he has no idea how hard this is, otherwise he would show some understanding.'
Also OP: 'I suffer from a chronic illness which causes fatigue ( MS ) work don't know and I don't want to say.'

Of course he won't 'understand' if you haven't told him! Which is indeed your prerogative. However, keeping quiet, will likely make your colleagues/bosses just think you're anti-social and, in turn, not a team player.

Whilst none of us are paid to 'socialise', those who do attend after work drinks etc, will always be viewed more favourably than those who don't. That's just company culture, I'm afraid, and is unlikely to change any time soon.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/12/2024 23:31

DrZaraCarmichael · 14/12/2024 12:21

But how can you expect them to understand when you have not told them that you have a medical condition? They are not psychic.

Also the "Oh but i'm a parent" thing, most parents do manage to go out occasionally after 9pm. Yes having kids is tiring and we've all been through it, but the reason it is impacting you so much is because of your illness.

Suck up them making "you feel bad" or tell them about your medical condition, you can't have it both ways.

With sympathy I agree with this op

WulyJmpr · 15/12/2024 23:28

I look for places to work that are family friendly and flexible, ideally where people have kids. You're right, if people don't get what it's like and how busy it is to be a full time working mum with 2 kids, it's not something one can explain to an employer. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come.

Itisjustmyopinion · 15/12/2024 23:00

twokittlepumpkins · 15/12/2024 21:15

Alright so how am I going to do it then ? Go straight to the horses mouth so to speak and completely come clean about it like:

I am really enjoying my time at the company so far and I'm really keen to progress and make an impact. I noticed you didn't seem very impressed that I couldn't make it to the Christmas party and I want to start off saying that I am a very sociable person and actually love a good party, but that on this occasion I wasn't able to find anyone who would drop off my kids at school in the morning and I would simply be too tired to treck home from the Christmas party and then need to get up at 6 to take my kids to school because I suffer from MS. At the moment it's very controlled, but I need to not bite for more than I can chew and I'm already pretty busy. I have to prioritise work and rest. I hope you understand that I wish I could have been there and will make every effort to join in with other celebrations, for which I need more support around childcare. This normally isn't an issue but it was on this occasion. '

Something like that ?

No don’t send this. First you are mentioning about picking up the kids before you mention your condition, which is the point of your message.

I would do it face to face (or at least on a video call) and not email, follow up with email absolutely but better to have a conversation

Something like “boss, I know there were a few questions around my lack of attendance at the party. One thing I think I need to make you aware of is I suffer from MS. It does not affect me on a day to day basis in relation to how well I can do my job, but it does result in fatigue at times and right now I wanted to make sure I had enough energy to focus on the work while I get up to speed with everything that is new here. Once I am more settled in the role then I look forward to getting to know the team better in a social setting”

You don’t mention, unless I have missed it, what role or seniority you are. But if you are in a leadership role then there tends to be expectations of “showing your face” at events such as this. But that shouldn’t be at the detriment of your health. However if they don’t know you have genuine reasons, then it is possible that they would think that you just can’t be bothered which is not a great early impression in a new role

Avatartar · 15/12/2024 22:54

I have after work commitments should cover it. “Caring for dependents” if they push.

Ineffable23 · 15/12/2024 22:47

I would notify HR and your line manager formally.

And then I would informally explain to the MD next time he brings it up. "Look, I didn't say anything before but I have MS. It's well managed but I have to prioritise so that I continue to deliver at work and manage at home - so this just hasn't been possible for me this time. I really hope I will be able to make it another time!"

NarnianQueen · 15/12/2024 22:41

I'd probably say something like "I would love to come but I'm afraid it's just not physically possible."

Are they all very young? Even without MS, they should understand that working parents can't drop everything to go to a party!

Thelnebriati · 15/12/2024 22:22

The problem is the culture in your workplace, they cannot demand you go to social events (or work overtime) and you don't have to explain yourself;
You might have a disability. You might have caring responsibilities. You might be in receipt of tax credits. You might have a medical appointment. The reason is irrelevant.

Mirabai · 15/12/2024 22:17

Not if you tell them you didn’t go as you couldn’t get childcare.

The arrangements you would have needed to make in order to get to the party are not reasonable regardless of whether you have MS or not.

twokittlepumpkins · 15/12/2024 21:52

@Mirabai don't you think the actual person I want to know, will never know and just think I didn't go because I couldn't be bothered ?

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Mirabai · 15/12/2024 21:27

twokittlepumpkins · 15/12/2024 21:15

Alright so how am I going to do it then ? Go straight to the horses mouth so to speak and completely come clean about it like:

I am really enjoying my time at the company so far and I'm really keen to progress and make an impact. I noticed you didn't seem very impressed that I couldn't make it to the Christmas party and I want to start off saying that I am a very sociable person and actually love a good party, but that on this occasion I wasn't able to find anyone who would drop off my kids at school in the morning and I would simply be too tired to treck home from the Christmas party and then need to get up at 6 to take my kids to school because I suffer from MS. At the moment it's very controlled, but I need to not bite for more than I can chew and I'm already pretty busy. I have to prioritise work and rest. I hope you understand that I wish I could have been there and will make every effort to join in with other celebrations, for which I need more support around childcare. This normally isn't an issue but it was on this occasion. '

Something like that ?

Far too long. You just need to notify them that you have MS, it’s well controlled, you enjoy office socialising normally but in this instance you were not able to get childcare. That’s all that needs to be said.

twokittlepumpkins · 15/12/2024 21:15

Alright so how am I going to do it then ? Go straight to the horses mouth so to speak and completely come clean about it like:

I am really enjoying my time at the company so far and I'm really keen to progress and make an impact. I noticed you didn't seem very impressed that I couldn't make it to the Christmas party and I want to start off saying that I am a very sociable person and actually love a good party, but that on this occasion I wasn't able to find anyone who would drop off my kids at school in the morning and I would simply be too tired to treck home from the Christmas party and then need to get up at 6 to take my kids to school because I suffer from MS. At the moment it's very controlled, but I need to not bite for more than I can chew and I'm already pretty busy. I have to prioritise work and rest. I hope you understand that I wish I could have been there and will make every effort to join in with other celebrations, for which I need more support around childcare. This normally isn't an issue but it was on this occasion. '

Something like that ?

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Edda09 · 15/12/2024 21:08

Isatis · 14/12/2024 15:01

I really don't want to be crass, but did you mean it when you said you had MS? Only of course it does a lot more than simply causing fatigue. Did you mean ME? It still entirely justifies your reluctance, but it may make a difference in terms of your employers' reaction.

ME is A LOT more than fatigue too. It affects the whole body in so many ways.