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Am I supposed to care about friends of my sister?

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Bonkersworknonsense · 14/12/2024 03:56

My sister has a few close friends that she met as an adult (no one from childhood). I’ve got more of a mix of childhood friends and adult friends. Consequently she knows a few of my friends, but I know none of hers.

She’ll tell me about her friends’ lives, so and so got divorced, other friend tripped and broke her arm. On and on. And if I don’t show visible concern and ask about them (for weeks following whatever incident) I can tell she thinks I’m unfeeling, she’ll repeat the story and tell stronger details till I feign massive concern. Our mum did this too, expected me to get upset that old Tommy lost his favourite pipe, or Barbara got dropped from the knitting club.

Am I a monster? In all honesty, I don’t care about these people any more than I’d care for strangers in the next town, or Nepal, or on Jupiter. Sad about the pipe, but sort of theoretically, not emotionally engaged with it. Is this normal? My sister doesn’t think so.

I am a bit depressed (for years), but also am
a different temperament than my mum and sister. Neither is right or wrong … or maybe I am? It seems kind of exhausting to be invested in strangers, but perhaps others don’t find it so?

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Bonkersworknonsense · 16/12/2024 23:54

A few people have assumed I talk to her about my friends: I don’t, with the exception of one friend she’s known for years and who she asks about. I prefer to talk to her about current affairs and work and (lately) listen to her tell me how her house renovation/plans to move are going. Yes she’s single, and yes she does work.

She’s a very serious person, and quite prim, so while a good person she’s not much of a storyteller. This is exacerbated by going on about her neighbour’s cousin’s friend’s fridge being on the blink.

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Bonkersworknonsense · 16/12/2024 23:35

Scautish · 14/12/2024 08:23

YANBU OP

I bet your sister describes herself as a super empathetic or a highly sensitive person but is probably a closet narcissist who just wants attention.

it really does not make any sense for you to have to show interest in mundane features in the lives of those you have never met.

some people are so weird.

She absolutely does describe herself as a highly sensitive person. And she is good, she’ll do anything for friends and family - just I don’t want to hear about it when it involves people I don’t know. It’s not like she makes it amusing, it’s more like a newscast of tales of the damaged and sad.

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Flyhigher · 16/12/2024 23:21

Yes.

TheBluntTurtle · 15/12/2024 23:15

It seems kind of exhausting to be invested in strangers
you answered your question in your first post OP. It is a complete waste of your energy to invest in strangers. Focus that energy in your own life or at least people you know! Saying that I am here commenting on a mumsnet post written by a stranger! 😂
by and chance does your sister/ did your mum watch soaps? I ask because my mum is a drama llama and will get so caught up talking about the lives of others and being over dramatic and I really think this is from 40+ years of watching soaps and their behaviour has rubbed off on her

2Rebecca · 15/12/2024 23:11

My mother's now dead and I think our relationship may have been better if she gave fewer long phone monologues about people I don't know and I hadn't just switched off and disengaged when she did this.
She used to complain I didn't tell her anything but she rarely gave me a chance to say anything and if I managed a few words she'd then divert on to yet another long story about a random.
It wasn't even "this has happened to X and I'm really upset about it because she's a close friend" which would have given a personal element to it.
I think now I'd have been more assertive and tried to get her more engaged in a 2 way conversation by interrupting her or changing the subject and asking her stuff. Then I just found our phone calls depressing and frustrating which is a shame as we lived several hours apart.

Yankadoodledoo · 15/12/2024 22:45

This behaviour has really damaged my relationship with my mum. I avoid her and i feel really sad about it. I’ve spoken to her extensively about it over the years and it’s made no difference at all.

I regularly ask her if she thinks the person she’s gossiping about would be comfortable with what she’s saying.I share very little with her as I know she’ll gossip about me to others. I see less and less of her as there is no real conversation beyond the gossip and mindless details of other peoples lives.

TheBobbysAreSurly · 15/12/2024 22:38

DP's mum does this -

"You know old Fred?"
"Yes, you do - lived down Station Road, next to the chippy"
"You do! He had that dog that used to do that thing with it's feet. His brother was allergic to cheese"
"He sold your dad that car with the squeak"

Ans so on and so on for half an hour until DP cracks and admits that he might know Old Fred just to get to the point ...

"Well, he's dead"

I have a friend who's a bugger for it too, but she's has a bit of a Savior complex and wants to point out where everyone's going wrong. They both do my head in!

Oldraver · 15/12/2024 22:09

I know it seems mean to those who don't understand...but I had bloody years of hearing about Baxters bloody arsehole.

Baxter is the woman who lives downstairs, daughters dog

Oldraver · 15/12/2024 22:03

My Mum will whittle on for ages about people I don't know (while not giving a hoot about us or her grandchildren)

I pointedly ask her now ...do I know these people ? She will still whittle on

2Rebecca · 15/12/2024 21:25

It’s quite sad all these people with so little going on in their own lives that they get over enmeshed in the lives of other people. I do tend to stop my older relatives who do this and try and get them discussing current affairs, what they've done, what they've watched on TV. Anything except trivia about people I don't know. I want to hear about them not randoms

LightDrizzle · 15/12/2024 21:25

NavyOrca · 14/12/2024 03:58

How is the arm now?

🤣🤣🤣

Bernardo1 · 15/12/2024 21:23

No!
Not at all.

XWKD · 15/12/2024 20:21

If it's something that I think my family would find interesting, I'll tell them. Otherwise I wouldn't. Why would they care?

Callipygion · 15/12/2024 20:15

My MIL (now deceased) used to do this all the time, it drove us bonkers.
”D’ya remember Breda Kelly?” No, don’t know that name.
”Lives down xxx Road, No. 32” No, I don’t know her.
”Always goes to 10 o’clock mass, sits on the right near the sacristy” No, we don’t go to that mass.
”Little woman, black hair” (grrrr)
”Well, she … blah blah blah”

MadeInYorkshire69 · 15/12/2024 19:08

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 14/12/2024 06:54

This is definitely a mum thing. Assume sisters too after a certain age. My mum seems to forget I moved out 20 years ago and gives me in depth monologues about what's happened to her friends that I've never met and sometimes, it gets to the point where I have to say "honestly, I don't care". If it was something big then of course but it's usually "you know Matthew (internally I'm thinking no, not at all) well he's got a new job at so at so". I don't know Matthew's last name and I couldn't pick him out of a crowd but I know a lot about his life.

I assume I'll do the same.

Haha my retired parents do this, giving me the full blow by blow account of the widowed neighbours love life etc. I’m sure he’d be horrified if he knew how much juicy goss I had on him 😆

MoonWoman69 · 15/12/2024 18:36

I agree with that statement @asrl78

MoonWoman69 · 15/12/2024 18:33

As a side note, having read all the comments, I think people are taking this subject too far the other way!
Of course, myself and others are going to be concerned if friends talk about something serious, either about themselves or friends and family. That goes without saying really.
But I personally do not want to be subjected to the other small, boring ins and outs of their lives.
I am an empathetic person, I just don't see the interest in people I neither really know, nor care about, it's nothing to do with being socially uncivil or unaware!

asrl78 · 15/12/2024 18:32

Flyhigher · 14/12/2024 17:53

It's showing an interest in her life.
It's not about the friends. It's about her.
You should try to be a bit interested.

If the sister is talking about other people then it isn't her life. I wouldn't normally have a problem if it were me on the receiving end, it can be interesting to hear about other people's life experiences that are different from mine, but in this case, if the sister is unloading doom and gloom, I can see how that could be emotionally draining. People have enough things to worry about in their own lives without taking on the problems of people they have no connection with.

MoonWoman69 · 15/12/2024 18:06

My friend, of 30 odd years, constantly does this and it bores the absolute crack off me! She meets up with her old neighbour every few weeks or so (who I have never met and by the sound of her and her weird antics, wouldn't want to!)
I then get the nth degree on everything the friend's said and done since they last met up, none of which interests me in the slightest.
She does it about her family members too (and there are a lot, with a lot of drama!) who I do actually know, but again, have very little interest in the minutiae of their lives.
And the same, if I don't show the emotions I'm supposed to apparently show, I get an indignant look and the story gets repeated again, more dramatically, until I am forced to show some interest to make it all stop! I have tried subtle subject changes, but no, it goes on!
I don't know what is wrong with people that feel the need to do this?! My friend has enough drama in her own life without having to go into every little detail of someone elses shit existence!
I did think it was me being a miserable cow, but I really don't think it is!

Yankadoodledoo · 15/12/2024 11:16

Virtuous gossips.

People like this used to be avoided or told to stop gossiping about everyone. So they’ve adapted and worse turned it into a virtue signalling event. Look what a caring person they are worrying about everyone. And look what a cold uncaring person you are for not being concerned as well or attempting to shut it down. There’s examples of it on this thread.

It’s not acceptable to break confidences or to gossip but it is if you’re doing it out of concern. We know it’s gossip when we hear someone gleefully exclaims Omg have you heard Julie’s getting divorced. It looks different when someone relays it in a concerned way but it’s still the same.

LonginesPrime · 15/12/2024 10:52

Yankadoodledoo · 15/12/2024 02:02

Your sister is a gossip. Gossiping isn’t socially acceptable so people like your sister present it as if they are concerned. And they need to manipulate you into also being concerned otherwise it’s obvious they are just gossiping.

This makes so much more sense.

And it means if you don't play the game with them, they can accuse you of being unfeeling rather than having to admit that you've rumbled their ruse.

Yankadoodledoo · 15/12/2024 02:02

Your sister is a gossip. Gossiping isn’t socially acceptable so people like your sister present it as if they are concerned. And they need to manipulate you into also being concerned otherwise it’s obvious they are just gossiping.

Firefly1987 · 15/12/2024 01:34

MaybeALittle · 14/12/2024 09:02

What good do you think your concern does, @Firefly1987? If you’re concerned about suicides or homelessness, do something — see if you can train as a Samaritans listener, or volunteer for a local soup run. You being devastated because someone you’ve never met broke their collarbone mountain biking is pointless for you and for theM.

In the OP’s case, her sister doesn’t appear to have much going on in her life for her conversation to consist of ‘X person you never met has shingles’ and ‘Y person you never met had their gall bladder removed’. My mother is like this. She’s not a grief vampire, just a not very happy or confident person who prefers to have around her those who are ill, unhappy, unlucky etc because they make her feel needed. They call her to tell her about their ailments or disasters, and because she has little else going on in her life, that’s what she tells me when I see her.

It doesn't do any good but it's not like I can help it? Like a PP said, some people just get more affected by these things than others. I'm not saying I'm devastated by someone breaking something but I'd be momentarily upset to hear and enquire about how they're doing for a few weeks afterwards. By your logic no one would be upset over anything in the news if they couldn't personally do anything about it. Are people just expressing faux grief over tragic news stories then?

Flyhigher · 14/12/2024 17:53

It's showing an interest in her life.
It's not about the friends. It's about her.
You should try to be a bit interested.

JLou08 · 14/12/2024 11:57

HoppityBun · 14/12/2024 10:34

If you were so exquisitely gifted with a higher level of empathy than the rest of us, you’d understand the OP’s pov. As it is, you seem unable even to pretend a little. You’re more invested in empathising with the people the OP is writing about at 2nd hand than with the OP whose post is right in front of you, asking for support.

I think you've been triggered by this for your own reasons. I don't think there's anything wrong with not caring about people you don't know and there's nothing in my post that says that. It just basically says people have different levels of empathy, not that either is right or wrong.