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(CW Child abuse) Why do mothers not protect their children from abusive boyfriends

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OutWithTheMule · 14/12/2024 00:43

There has been another horrific child abuse death and I have noticed in the majority of these cases the mothers boyfriend has been abusing the child, and the mother is aware and allows it to happen, and usually protects them by trying to cover it up from the police after the fact.

In the awful case that has been in the news today the mother had only been with her boyfriend for 36 days. She allowed the abuse to continue because she didn't want him to leave her. How the fuck can you choose someone you have known 36 days over your own child!?

I just can't understand why these women choose their boyfriends over their children, if anyone laid a finger on my daughter I would flay them!! Even if you wouldn't physically intervene you would take your child and leave surely? If the boyfriend isn't the child's father they have no access to them if you just take them somewhere else. I know women are sometimes scared to leave abusive partners but often in these stories the partner is not abusing the mother, they are only abusing the child and the mother either passively allows it or sometimes joins in.

I understand that the fault lies with the boyfriends obviously, they are monsters and there is no excusing their actions, it's horrific. But it makes sense, violent men abuse children, it's straightforward as disgusting as it is. What I cannot understand for the life of me is why a mother would allow a boyfriend to harm their child or actively choose a boyfriend over their child. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Can anyone shed any light on these women's behaviour?

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schmeler · 15/12/2024 00:58

LoremIpsumCici · 15/12/2024 00:45

Or the data shows that the justice system catches male abusers more often than female abusers.

When you look at crime surveys, not convictions, the rates of reported child abuse by survivors and perpetrators are pretty even between the sexes.

They don't though as the system has quotas to actively let male perpetrators go! The data isn't even between the sexes at all. 99.3% of males are not sexually assaulted by the time they are 18.

aliasname · 15/12/2024 00:51

Ponoka7 · 14/12/2024 09:43

"how can a woman who works in a nursery and looks after her own child we'll end up pushing a dead child around for 3 days after letting someone she barely knows kill them"

The conclusion was drugs. The type that most posters, on a thread last week wanted legalising. It would mean the death of a lot of children.

This is the only way I can understand it - they were both high on crack cocaine. I’ve seen similar cases, and the only way it makes sense is if they are literally out of their minds on drugs.

HRTQueen · 15/12/2024 00:50

Some women are being abused and everything becomes distorted

some women will value their relationship more, they are often addicted to these high drama relationships where it becomes all about themselves and their new partner and really their children should be taken away from them but as will work with the mother to become a better parent but many simply don’t want to be

LoremIpsumCici · 15/12/2024 00:45

schmeler · 14/12/2024 20:37

It certainly does! It shows that most who are abused do not go on to abuse others or else the data would show most females are abusers. It doesn't. It is just an excuse rattled out to excuse the behaviour of abusers.

Surely if abused ppl abuse ppl then this would show in females abusing others significantly more than males but yet the data shows the opposite.

There will be some who have been abused who do go on to abuse but that is a choice behaviour as all abuse is. It is also controlled by the abuser as they do not do it to all so it shows that this is not an uncontrollable thing or they would do it to all they come across.

Or the data shows that the justice system catches male abusers more often than female abusers.

When you look at crime surveys, not convictions, the rates of reported child abuse by survivors and perpetrators are pretty even between the sexes.

5128gap · 15/12/2024 00:41

OutWithTheMule · 15/12/2024 00:00

As far as I am aware data is not collected on this.

This is what happens in the majority of cases where mothers partners who are not biological parents of the children, as seen by several family members who work in social services and the police. If you want to tell people that what they see happening on a daily basis doesn't happen because you can't find a study on it because my guest.

This study shows that children with step parents are 40 times more likely to be abused than children living with both their parents and unless you want to claim that their mothers simply don't notice it is happening, then the mothers allow their partners to abuse their children. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0162309585900123

I googled it myself and they do indeed collect the data. It shows that the vast majority of abuse is carried out by parents. Step parents (ie married partners) carry out 12%. I've no UK stats for mothers boyfriend, but US stats for unmarried partners (presumably both sexes) is 7%. No stats at all for percentage of mothers who lie to protect their boyfriends, but i think its fair to assume its single figures. I'm not suggesting for a moment it 'doesn't happen'. I questioned your claim it happened in a majority of cases when I had always believed otherwise, which data appears to support.
I think with such an important issue we need to be accurate and not throw about unsubstantiated claims. If we wrongly believe that this is all about women colluding with and lying for boyfriends, then we are not looking at what is happening to the other 90% or so of abused children.

Manara · 15/12/2024 00:34

snakeface · 15/12/2024 00:32

Same here
It suited her. She didn't have to work and could do her hobbies. Only had to put up with the beatings twice a year as my father was a binge drinker. Both narcissists.
She also cared more about what people would think than the welfare of her children. What people? We had no friends or social life.
She's now 96 and I care for her and sort out her life so she doesn't have to live in a home but I hate her. I have to pretend she's just an old lady that it's the right thing to do to care for her. I have to break the cycle for my own sanity and to prove I'm not the person they could have made me be.
Another thing that I think about these women who put men first over their children. I know they have had lacking childhoods, but why do they have to be the worst of the person they could be, and not the best. Break the cycle
And once he left, cos that's another thing these men don't stay forever. Their children will hate them

That’s horrible. I’m sorry that happened you. I’d let her go in the home.

snakeface · 15/12/2024 00:32

MrsSethGecko · 14/12/2024 08:52

My mother kept us with our violent and alcoholic father because "we wouldn't have been able to live in that big house with the lovely garden if I left. We'd be in some horrible council house. What would people think."

So basically, for her, appearances and what other people thought was more important than stopping her children being abused and beaten.

Same here
It suited her. She didn't have to work and could do her hobbies. Only had to put up with the beatings twice a year as my father was a binge drinker. Both narcissists.
She also cared more about what people would think than the welfare of her children. What people? We had no friends or social life.
She's now 96 and I care for her and sort out her life so she doesn't have to live in a home but I hate her. I have to pretend she's just an old lady that it's the right thing to do to care for her. I have to break the cycle for my own sanity and to prove I'm not the person they could have made me be.
Another thing that I think about these women who put men first over their children. I know they have had lacking childhoods, but why do they have to be the worst of the person they could be, and not the best. Break the cycle
And once he left, cos that's another thing these men don't stay forever. Their children will hate them

CleverGreyDuck · 15/12/2024 00:22

Just unfathomable

Dash0Cal · 15/12/2024 00:19

I think some women cannot function except in a couple- I don’t mean they like having a boyfriend, bit that there’s some deep a nd fundamental flaw that means they prioritise their partner over everything else. The result is that they become complicit.

Manara · 15/12/2024 00:12

It’s shocking that within 36 days, Isabella’s mum went from a seemingly good mum to one that allowed her daughter to be kicked, stamped and punished with cold showers.

I think it’s a case like Star Hobson, her mother had a low IQ but was seemingly a good mum
until her girlfriend moved in.

The BBC say Isabella’s mum needed learning support.,

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/12/2024 00:09

JadedVeryJaded · 14/12/2024 09:29

I’ve never understood why mums move new boyfriends in so easily and quickly. It’s a recipe for disaster. The DC feel resentful and pushed out, and if he has children from a previous marriage it creates so many problems.

Of course the bigger question is why are some men abusive, dangerous, violent arseholes?

My ex is living with a woman who he (apparently) had known for about 6 months before the decided to move in together and he was regularly doing her young child's bedtime routine with them (and they, apparently, met two months after the gf broke up with her child's dad). He has a lot of abuse tendencies including violence which would have showed on a Clare's law if she'd bothered to do it - shes very lucky he isn't a paedo (as far as I know) she's not stupid academically but she is very naive and I think was desperate after her marriage breakdown.

Elizo · 15/12/2024 00:06

OutWithTheMule · 14/12/2024 00:43

There has been another horrific child abuse death and I have noticed in the majority of these cases the mothers boyfriend has been abusing the child, and the mother is aware and allows it to happen, and usually protects them by trying to cover it up from the police after the fact.

In the awful case that has been in the news today the mother had only been with her boyfriend for 36 days. She allowed the abuse to continue because she didn't want him to leave her. How the fuck can you choose someone you have known 36 days over your own child!?

I just can't understand why these women choose their boyfriends over their children, if anyone laid a finger on my daughter I would flay them!! Even if you wouldn't physically intervene you would take your child and leave surely? If the boyfriend isn't the child's father they have no access to them if you just take them somewhere else. I know women are sometimes scared to leave abusive partners but often in these stories the partner is not abusing the mother, they are only abusing the child and the mother either passively allows it or sometimes joins in.

I understand that the fault lies with the boyfriends obviously, they are monsters and there is no excusing their actions, it's horrific. But it makes sense, violent men abuse children, it's straightforward as disgusting as it is. What I cannot understand for the life of me is why a mother would allow a boyfriend to harm their child or actively choose a boyfriend over their child. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Can anyone shed any light on these women's behaviour?

Maybe they are being abused. It is totally messed up

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/12/2024 00:03

I think the mother has been groomed, is being controlled, usually has send and complex needs herself (usually in serious case reviews there is DV addiction and mental health issues)

Cattenberg · 15/12/2024 00:03

I don’t understand it either. There was a family living near me in which the man sexually abused his girlfriend’s daughter. The girlfriend chose her paedophile boyfriend over her own child, so her daughter was taken into care.

Less importantly, the man was a physically unattractive drug-addict who was unpleasant to everyone and treated his girlfriend like crap. No, I will never understand that woman. The paedophile was in very poor health and physically weak, so I don’t think she stayed with him out of fear.

OutWithTheMule · 15/12/2024 00:00

5128gap · 14/12/2024 23:46

Can you link to the evidence that in the majority of cases of child abuse the abuse is carried out by the mothers partner with her full knowledge and that she then goes on to lie to the police to protect him? That's what you said and I'm interested in the research that you've based that on. I'm not 'acting shocked' that women can be bad people. I'm shocked that this is the situation in 'the majority' of cases, and thought you may have some evidence to support that.

As far as I am aware data is not collected on this.

This is what happens in the majority of cases where mothers partners who are not biological parents of the children, as seen by several family members who work in social services and the police. If you want to tell people that what they see happening on a daily basis doesn't happen because you can't find a study on it because my guest.

This study shows that children with step parents are 40 times more likely to be abused than children living with both their parents and unless you want to claim that their mothers simply don't notice it is happening, then the mothers allow their partners to abuse their children. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0162309585900123

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LouH1981 · 14/12/2024 23:46

In some cases (not all) the mothers are groomed first. By the time the children are being harmed they are unable to keep them safe.
While I was on my training contract I represented many Mum’s who stayed with their partners despite what was happening to the children. It’s often a very complicated situation.
Not saying it’s acceptable, just what I’ve experienced. Incredibly sad.

5128gap · 14/12/2024 23:46

OutWithTheMule · 14/12/2024 23:30

Are you under the impression that when women's boyfriends beat their children black and blue and break their bones the simply don't notice?

It is well known that when men are reported to the police for domestic violence their partners often say it's not true to get them released.

Almost all the child abuse cases that make the news are perpetrated by the mothers boyfriend which means she moved him into the childrens home, then allowed it happen. If women didn't cover up their boyfriends child abuse there would be a lot more men in prison and a lot fewer abused children.

You can act as shocked as you like that women can also be bad people but you only have to look at the news and the responses on this thread to see that women know their children are being abused, and for some sick reason, allow it to continue. On a very regular basis. And yes, it is a societal issue because women put their boyfriends before their children a lot.

Can you link to the evidence that in the majority of cases of child abuse the abuse is carried out by the mothers partner with her full knowledge and that she then goes on to lie to the police to protect him? That's what you said and I'm interested in the research that you've based that on. I'm not 'acting shocked' that women can be bad people. I'm shocked that this is the situation in 'the majority' of cases, and thought you may have some evidence to support that.

OutWithTheMule · 14/12/2024 23:30

5128gap · 14/12/2024 16:15

What is your source for 'in the majority of cases' of child abuse the mother allows her boyfriend to abuse her child, covers it up and lies to the police, please? I was under the impression that there were some cases where this occurred, but I'm shocked by your assertion this is the case in the majority of cases of child abuse. A link to the data would be really helpful to understand if we were looking at a pattern of behaviour on the part of women, or isolated cases, as the first indicates something on a societal level (in a similar way to patterns of male behaviour are a societal problem) the second an individual issue/s with a particular woman or women.

Are you under the impression that when women's boyfriends beat their children black and blue and break their bones the simply don't notice?

It is well known that when men are reported to the police for domestic violence their partners often say it's not true to get them released.

Almost all the child abuse cases that make the news are perpetrated by the mothers boyfriend which means she moved him into the childrens home, then allowed it happen. If women didn't cover up their boyfriends child abuse there would be a lot more men in prison and a lot fewer abused children.

You can act as shocked as you like that women can also be bad people but you only have to look at the news and the responses on this thread to see that women know their children are being abused, and for some sick reason, allow it to continue. On a very regular basis. And yes, it is a societal issue because women put their boyfriends before their children a lot.

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Bananarama83 · 14/12/2024 22:07

As someone whose mother repeatedly moved in "boyfriends" she'd known a matter of days, some of whom were horrifically abusive. She made me apologize to them for shouting at them when they were assaulting my little sister. She ultimately chose to turn a blind eye to the one who sexually abused me. When that delight left her for another crap mother, she took to stalking him, begging him to come back.

I look at my own child and there is no fucking way on Earth I would do the above. So no, being abused yourself does not make you an abuser. Having low self-esteem does not make you an abuser.. That's just bullshit people tell the judge, hoping for a lighter sentence.

Being a selfish arsehole, choosing to put your own need to feel young and still attractive, to not feel tied down by the responsibility of parenthood, allowing your "need" for a boyfriend to trump any empathy or understanding of how vulnerable children are...that's why women allow men to abuse their children.

Cableknitdreams · 14/12/2024 21:47

Everlygreen · 14/12/2024 21:26

Other reasons can be quite complex, such as mental health illness, trauma, being neurodivergent, the complexity of domestic violence, vulnerability, etc. Some men are very good at finding women like this for the sole purpose of abusing children..

You could use every one of those excuses for a man too! He could be all of those and then whose top trumps?

Culturally, though, men tend to feel more entitlement over women and children and their aggression tends to be based on that, whereas women tend to be socialised to victim roles.

AliasGrace47 · 14/12/2024 21:46

I read that book v recently. It really wrenched at me in a way few books have. Dorothy Allison passed recently, & reading articles, I learnt that in real life, her mother didn't send her to the aunt, & the abuse continued until she was 15.
My own mother would never have put my abusive father before me, but she wasn't besotted my him the way the mum is in the book- she left at the first sign of violence. From threads on here, I v much doubt many mothers would stay w a man who they knew was SAing their daughter- in the book, the mother literally walks in & denies it. But I have read awful threads where emotional & mental abuse of the children are outweighed by the mother's attachment to the man. I still think most mothers would do the right thing, but maybe I'm too hopeful..Cases like Constance Martens are an extreme example of this, but I wonder how common lower level ones are..

Edingril · 14/12/2024 21:35

Twilight7777 · 14/12/2024 21:27

Because they have been groomed

No because they can't think for themselves and make choices

TempestTost · 14/12/2024 21:31

Years ago when I was a young teenager, I read Bastard Out of Carolina, which I found quite shocking at the time. In it the mother marries a new man who is a bad provider, a poor father, an all round pathetic excuse for a man, and eventually sexually abused one of the girls. The mother in the end leaves the girl with an aunt and goes off with the man, and the aunt observes something to the effect that it is never a good thing for a woman to have to choose between her man and her child - with the implication that she will often choose the man and if she chooses the child she may well be resentful.

I thought that was very cynical and not true most of the time, but as a middle aged woman I have found it to be the case far more often than I would have thought.

Twilight7777 · 14/12/2024 21:27

Because they have been groomed

Everlygreen · 14/12/2024 21:26

Other reasons can be quite complex, such as mental health illness, trauma, being neurodivergent, the complexity of domestic violence, vulnerability, etc. Some men are very good at finding women like this for the sole purpose of abusing children..

You could use every one of those excuses for a man too! He could be all of those and then whose top trumps?

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