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TW To notice that a lot of child murders have one thing in common

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Worldinyourhands · 14/12/2024 00:01

Has anyone else noticed the chilling common theme in the child murders that keep being reported (it feels like) in recent times? There's another today, and as soon as I read the heartbreaking report, that same factor jumped out yet again.

An unrelated partner being involved in the child's life. A parent and a boyfriend/girlfriend or (less commonly) new husband/wife.

Before anyone jumps on me, I'm obviously OBVIOUSLY not saying that step parents are all evil. Nor am I saying that biological parents can't be evil. In all the cases I'm thinking of, the biological parents were totally complicit.

But I am wondering if there needs to be some more red flags raised when school or social workers or whoever become aware that a child is having to live with a parent's romantic partner. Particularly a young child or a new partner, though I'm aware of at least one case involving a teenager (it broke my heart - I'm not naming any of the children on this post, but there have been multiple over the past few years). Not doing a poll either as it's too flippant.

But has anyone else noticed this factor coming up time and time again? And does anyone else think that this aspect of safeguarding seems to be missed - presumably because we place far too much value on the parent's perceived 'right' to have a live-in romantic partner and not enough weight on the chlld's right not to live with an unrelated adult who doesn't love them?

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CheeseTime · 14/12/2024 07:06

Userxyd · 14/12/2024 07:02

Agree with all of this. @Feelinglow27 totally with you. Men just seem to be getting more and more violent and crazy- extremism all over the place, porn addiction, brutal to partners and children. Bring back hunter gatherers! Or mining! They need physically draining and need a purpose in life - left to their own devices they seem to create war and misery.
@CrocsNotDocs agree re funding I don't get why there's infinite provision for shared secure accommodation with catering, entertainment, guest facilities etc for the elderly but none for single mums. I know these old folks homes are private and cost a bomb but how great would this be for single mums - could make separate ones for single dads but you have to move out if you want new partner to move in so it stays a safe and well provided for housing resort. Football pitch, basketball, gaming rooms, exercise classes for the mums, homework rooms, etc etc so it's a welcoming place that supports kids and mums to get on with life. Bet it would help kids feel settled if they made them really nice and they stayed long term.

That’s a fun idea. Wouldn’t work though as some women would try and bring men in to the place. Older boys would have to be kicked out. Older girls couldn’t have boyfriends over.

I have often wistfully thought about communes for women!

Amba1998 · 14/12/2024 07:03

I saw something about not mentioning you have kids on tinder or leaving it until a few dates in to mention kids as some men specifically target women to date who have children

makes me sick to my stomach

Startinganew32 · 14/12/2024 07:02

Hateam · 14/12/2024 06:40

Lesbian relationships are renowned for high levels of violence.

Errr no they aren’t unless you go by self reporting figures. I do know that we very rarely if ever hear of women being killed by a female current or former partner whereas we constantly hear of men killing their partners (and almost never women killing men).

Userxyd · 14/12/2024 07:02

Agree with all of this. @Feelinglow27 totally with you. Men just seem to be getting more and more violent and crazy- extremism all over the place, porn addiction, brutal to partners and children. Bring back hunter gatherers! Or mining! They need physically draining and need a purpose in life - left to their own devices they seem to create war and misery.
@CrocsNotDocs agree re funding I don't get why there's infinite provision for shared secure accommodation with catering, entertainment, guest facilities etc for the elderly but none for single mums. I know these old folks homes are private and cost a bomb but how great would this be for single mums - could make separate ones for single dads but you have to move out if you want new partner to move in so it stays a safe and well provided for housing resort. Football pitch, basketball, gaming rooms, exercise classes for the mums, homework rooms, etc etc so it's a welcoming place that supports kids and mums to get on with life. Bet it would help kids feel settled if they made them really nice and they stayed long term.

Startinganew32 · 14/12/2024 07:00

leia24 · 14/12/2024 04:19

I mean.. Beinash Batool was stepmother. Emma Tustin was a stepmother. Victoria Climbies aunt was in a mum role.
It's almost always men but unfortunately there are plenty of high profile cases of women murdering children too.

Yes but there’s also high profile cases of biological mothers killing/harming kids or standing back and letting others do it - Constance Marten, Tracy Connelly, Veronique John, Christina Robinson.
Basically there will always be examples but overall, males in a child’s life (biological and step parents) are a higher risk to them (not just of murder but also sexual abuse) than females in their life.

CheeseTime · 14/12/2024 06:56

Isn’t the gender breakdown the gender of the victim not the offender?

Hateam · 14/12/2024 06:47

Source?

MyPithyPoster · 14/12/2024 06:44

Hateam · 14/12/2024 06:40

Lesbian relationships are renowned for high levels of violence.

No, they are renowned for higher levels of reporting violence. And something being done about it.

Hateam · 14/12/2024 06:40

Feelinglow27 · 14/12/2024 00:06

Tbh I'm just sick of fucking male violence. What the fuck is wrong with them? I feel like they're another species and want to move away to a female only island.

What with these kids, Gisele, the poor nurse who was murdered by oral rape. God they are disgusting.

There something seriously wrong going on in modern society. I will never go near a man again and I hope my daughter turns out gay. I'm just sick of it all.

Fully expect the "not all men" responses. Don't care.

Lesbian relationships are renowned for high levels of violence.

HelmholtzWatson · 14/12/2024 06:36

Feelinglow27 · 14/12/2024 00:06

Tbh I'm just sick of fucking male violence. What the fuck is wrong with them? I feel like they're another species and want to move away to a female only island.

What with these kids, Gisele, the poor nurse who was murdered by oral rape. God they are disgusting.

There something seriously wrong going on in modern society. I will never go near a man again and I hope my daughter turns out gay. I'm just sick of it all.

Fully expect the "not all men" responses. Don't care.

Recent statistics from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) regarding Child Homocide.
Key Statistics:
Gender:

  • Male: 29
  • Female: 19

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arcticpandas · 14/12/2024 06:25

Drearycommuter · 14/12/2024 00:08

the possible risks to the child is a significant part of why I stay single with two young children. Lots of my friends think that’s mental but I think it can wait till they’re older

It's good to be cautious but you do not have to live like a nun until your children are adults (unless you want to). You can be in a relationship without living together. And after time when you feel you can trust him around your then older children you can live together. Not all men are predators. Most of them aren't thank god. I think what's problematic when "mum meets new man" is that they move in together too soon instead of taking things slowly.

sashh · 14/12/2024 06:23

Garlicwest · 14/12/2024 00:26

A biological mother and father both love and care deeply for their child and want the best.

You never met my Dad, then.

Or my mother.

I think one thing to look at is not just the stats about step parents but that abusers will find ways to abuse.

Abusers will go in to careers / hobbies to get access to children, getting in to a relationship with a woman with children is an easier way to access children.

CheeseTime · 14/12/2024 06:21

We are all animals. Highly intelligent apes but driven by the same primal urges as other animals. We use our intelligence to control our impulses but they can’t be ignored.

Animals protect their offspring. Often males will destroy existing offspring as the primal urge is to reproduce but not to support the offspring of another male. in fact nurturing their own young isn’t as much of a priority as trying to seek status amongst other males and find more females to reproduce with.

Ridiculous over simplification I know but the human evolution mostly led us to customs which recognised the importance of careful selection of a mate before commitment to childbearing (marriage). The current ‘anything goes’ attitude to family structures is risky for many children. I am baffled why so many women don’t think it’s important to be with someone for at least a couple of years and ensure commitment before risking a child. I suppose the benefits system removes much of the risk.

Mothers and children are vulnerable and men are risky! Choose wisely. Especially if you already have children. But if it all goes wrong it’s (probably) not your fault. I hate that argument that women should have picked a better man. We are (almost all) doing our very best.

ASimpleLampoon · 14/12/2024 06:17

If you're talking about Sara Sheriff then the other thing they have in common is that Family Court gave contact \custody to the abuser so went on to kill them.

But homeschool is being blamed because the Children's Commissioner for England has it in for SEND children and their families

CanelliniBeans · 14/12/2024 06:16

Meadowfinch · 14/12/2024 06:02

You are correct, OP.

For that reason, since being a single mum, I have never allowed a man to have any status above 'visitor' in my house and that will continue until my DS goes to university or has his own home.

The only man I have got closer to in the last 10 years actually told me to 'get rid of my DS half the time if I wanted our relationship to progress'. Ds was 9 at the time.😡. It took me a nanosecond to take that decision and dump him. Just one more arrogant selfish creep found his arse on the pavement.

Urghh, men !

Dating is now always away from our home and is never more than light hearted and superficial.

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Good for you and other women should take note. This is how you do it.

LaPam · 14/12/2024 06:08

It is not always the stepdad, if you look at figures from WomensAid, you will find that non resident parents score high as well.

The problem is that women with abusive men in their lives, tend to model “love” on the male figures around them, so if you have an abusive dad or husband, you are likely programmed to believe that control, anger, etc is a sign that someone “cares”.

Breaking this cycle without professional intervention is extremely difficult. While you may be indirectly placing the blame on single mums finding a new partner, the truth is more complex than that:

If you allow your children to be abused by choosing to stay with your abusive husband/partner, if you insist they have a relationship with grandparents or other relatives who you know are horrible, you are teaching your kids that abuse is a normal part of a relationship and that something is lacking if no drama is involved.

Meadowfinch · 14/12/2024 06:02

You are correct, OP.

For that reason, since being a single mum, I have never allowed a man to have any status above 'visitor' in my house and that will continue until my DS goes to university or has his own home.

The only man I have got closer to in the last 10 years actually told me to 'get rid of my DS half the time if I wanted our relationship to progress'. Ds was 9 at the time.😡. It took me a nanosecond to take that decision and dump him. Just one more arrogant selfish creep found his arse on the pavement.

Urghh, men !

Dating is now always away from our home and is never more than light hearted and superficial.

User37482 · 14/12/2024 05:55

lastminutetrip · 14/12/2024 00:47

I don’t disagree that women and mothers can be abusers.

However “allow it to happen” is loaded

could that be the child is in the step partners care whilst she goes to work, as that may be the ONLY childcare option available due to lack of support.

lack of support which probably placed her in a position vulnerable to a predatory man in the first place

I get this but I remember text exchanges in one case where the partner said things like “I smacked her one” and the mother was like “give her another for me” sort of thing, child was beaten to death.

I think there are a lot of mothers who once aware that someone is a danger to their children will risk abject poverty to prevent harm coming to their children. It takes something to ignore a grown man beating your toddler. So yeah once you know and you keep putting your child into harms way you are allowing it to happen. If an adult male left bruises on my DD and I shrugged and kept leaving her in his care I would not be doing my job as a mother, who else will do it if I don’t?

I do think these women are often vulnerable but some of them literally do not care about their children more than they care about having a boyfriend. I can’t stop men from being violent and they own their own behaviour but my job is to safeguard my child, it’s the most fundamental of parental responsibilities. I mean if you know someone is a paedophile would you leave your kid with them?

If anything happened to DH theres no way I would have a man in my house until DD was gone. It’s not worth the risk.

MyPithyPoster · 14/12/2024 05:52

catscalledbeanz · 14/12/2024 00:22

In a way the "evil stepmother" trope is almost trolling the reality. Because it's not often women or step mothers. It's step men. But there aren't many pop culture references to the evil step dad. Whereas the evil stepmother is a trope.

No I’ve met a few evil stepmothers along the way as well. One that used to grab the baby by the mouth and pull her mouth apart so that the kid couldn’t eat or speak for days without pain but there wasn’t a mark on her.

And just general bad treatment, not allowing them to use the toilet making them look after their younger siblings that were her children not related to the little girl. It’s just awful.

TeaAndStrumpets · 14/12/2024 05:51

catscalledbeanz · 14/12/2024 00:22

In a way the "evil stepmother" trope is almost trolling the reality. Because it's not often women or step mothers. It's step men. But there aren't many pop culture references to the evil step dad. Whereas the evil stepmother is a trope.

Excellent point.

Lentilweaver · 14/12/2024 05:45

Harshtruth1111 · 14/12/2024 05:40

Looks as though you know yourself very well. Which is highly commendable!!

Well I am in my fifties now, so easy for me to say as I don't expect anyone will have me! I am ok on my own, if anything happens to my marriage.

I have found parenting much tougher than I expected, so I assume other peoples kids- even adult ones- are super challenging.

Harshtruth1111 · 14/12/2024 05:44

Daisy12Maisie · 14/12/2024 05:23

I do also think that the parent that walks out in the children, provides no maintenance or child care should also be held responsible as they have out the resident parent in a very vulnerable situation.
I'm a single parent but my 15 year olds dad pays maintenance and my family are local and I have a well paid job but I have often thought of how difficult things would be without that. Also the emotional impact of being dumped and being left alone with children. It's a massive gift to have children but also hard when they are ill and there is no one to go and pick medication up so the sick child has to come out as well etc etc etc. I can see why these parents then end up in vulnerable situations with the first person that comes along and wants to "help" with the children and "love" all of them.
Obviously different if the biological parent knows about the abuse. In my opinion if the parent leaves and has no further contact with their children and then they end up getting abused that biological parent is as responsible as the biological parent that has let the abuser into the house. Obviously the actual abuser is main person to blame.
I've chosen to live without a partner whilst my teenagers live at home although I do have a boyfriend I see outside the house a couple times a week. Someone with young children and no babysitter couldn't do that. So I think it's huge for a parent to walk out condemning the other parent to a life on their own for at least 18 years if they want their children to be safe. Some people manage amazingly but for those who are vulnerable anyway and have no support it's a difficult situation to be left in.

I think it's very noble of you to put your children first above all. You looked at the risks and made a decision. Hope it all works out for you.

Harshtruth1111 · 14/12/2024 05:40

Lentilweaver · 14/12/2024 05:36

I would be a terrible stepparent. I wouldn't abuse anyone physically but I would probably inflict mental abuse withiut knowing it. I would never love anyone else's kids like my own, so I will never get into a relationship with someone who has children.

Looks as though you know yourself very well. Which is highly commendable!!

Harshtruth1111 · 14/12/2024 05:39

Dramatic · 14/12/2024 00:03

Yes I always say to my husband that it's almost always the step dad.

Agree.
Females are more emotionally manipulated.

Lentilweaver · 14/12/2024 05:36

I would be a terrible stepparent. I wouldn't abuse anyone physically but I would probably inflict mental abuse withiut knowing it. I would never love anyone else's kids like my own, so I will never get into a relationship with someone who has children.

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