To be annoyed at being told to be considerate of disabled people

This doesn't make sense to me. So whenever I'm in the queue at the loo (for the ladies) and someone new joins the line, we should be trying to suss out whose need is more urgent.
You, elderly lady in the middle, how is your muscles after all these years. Oh no wait you're freshly postpartum are you, mam? Sure, you go first. Ahh sorry I missed you there at the back, you have a 4 year old? She's not good at holding it, yes maybe you go first?

Why would a disabled person automatically need the loo more urgent than a baby/toddler.
Sounds a bit ableist to me.
"Ahh disabled are you, poor you, can't keep your wee in for very long, tsk , sorry let this lady come through she's disabled!!"

Some people do all sorts in these kinds of spaces, too - call people, put make up on.

Maybe they don't want to change a baby in front of everyone else? I agree on the first point though.

Just behind those of disabled people. Not absolutely everyone else. Just the people who struggle to use a normal loo and don't want to shit themselves because you're in there taking longer than you may need to to change a nappy. Fine if you just get on with it but some people take ages.

Apologies if you felt my statement was rude.
I meant no offence and didn’t make any offensive remarks
I was simply repeating myself as you also felt the need to.
There is no law against using any accessible toilet. Whether labelled accessible, ambulant or disabled. It’s irrelevant
( Some toilets have keys which are only available to disabled people but still no law against the use by others even though they can’t get in them. )

Consideration for others is everything but if you’re desperate and right next to a disabled toilet you’re not breaking any laws by using it.

Mums and dads please remember to put your needs and those of your child behind absolutely everyone else who exists, less you be judged as entitled for using basic amenities like toilets

Ambulent toilets can be used by anyone who needs more space - mums with pushchairs or disabled people who need more space to manoeuvre. Stand alone toilet rooms are not legally defined as accessible toilets. They are designed to accommodate more than one person so that disabled people and their carers can have access. Many stand alone toilet rooms require a radar key to be accessed. They are meant exclusively for use in this way. And I’m not an idiot - no need to be offensive, I may be in a wheelchair but I think I know the difference between a toilet and a parking space.

@IVFmumoftwo anyone who is not disabled purchasing a radar key is behaving disgracefully.
Most toilets have baby changing areas. If they do not meet your needs, campaign for better.

I've had plenty of times when nappy changes were urgent (leaking or exploding nappies) and I wouldn't have appreciated anyone jumping the queue in those circumstances, nor would I have offered, sorry. Not every disabled person needing to use the toilet is going to need it urgently either. If specifically asked and if my nappy change wasn't urgent then I'd accommodate.

And I shall repeat also @Rosscameasdoody
no it isnt
Accessible toilets are just that
Whether standalone or not. There’s no difference. Anyone can use them
Theres no law against people using an accessible toilet no matter where it is located
It’s not a parking space, there’s a difference.

You're seriously trying to claim that parents are treated like second-class citizens??

Radar keys are so toilets can only be accessed by disabled people. These toilets are only for disabled people.

It's a real shame the mother felt as though she had to breasfeed in the toilets. Society need to be more accepting of breastfeeding so mothers don't feel they have to hide.
Also babies need changing, people would soon complain if a mother changed babies nappy at the table. It's a shared facility for disabled and mothers so yet again pitted against each other.

This needs repeating as often as possible. An accessible toilet which anyone who needs it can use, is a larger cubicle within a standard facility of smaller cubicles. A stand alone separate toilet room is not an accessible toilet. It’s exclusively for the use of disabled people. If it’s separate from the standard facility you are not entitled to use it unless you have a disability.

It is very annoying when you need a wee but can't access the disabled because you need a key and the baby change has no toilet so having to take the pushchair into the ladies and wee with the door open to keep an eye on your pram.

It is very annoying when you need a wee but can't access the disabled because you need a key and the baby change has no toilet so having to take the pushchair into the ladies and wee with the door open to keep an eye on your pram.

If the biggest problem someone has is not being able to eat in a certain restaurant because they deem the number/quality of disabled toilets inadequate - they're doing better than most people, disabled and otherwise.

I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that's not my biggest problem in life, and if you had the misfortune to be forced to navigate the world in a wheelchair, you would probably think twice about making comments like this one. But as I said, I hope you never have to find out.

I'm out because it's just too depressing.

And I shall repeat also @Rosscameasdoody
no it isnt
Accessible toilets are just that
Whether standalone or not. There’s no difference. Anyone can use them
Theres no law against people using an accessible toilet no matter where it is located
It’s not a parking space, there’s a difference.

Reading these comments I'm certain I'll be flamed for this, but as a new parent they make for depressing reading. I'm surprised to see such a lack of understanding that facilities for babies are often woefully inadequate, only the constant 'disabled needs trump anyone and everything' mantras.
No one is disputing that. And I'm absolutely not suggesting disabled facilities should be sacrificed for baby-related spaces, but that doesn't mean I think it's right that infants and new mothers/pregnant women are always pushed to the back of the queue and seemingly never have suitable provision.

My sister (who's 30 weeks pregnant) recently had to board a train with my 15 month old niece, in a pram and with a weekend bag. It was a 2 hour journey but no stops between where she got on and where she was alighting. The only place she ccould sit with the pram was in the only wheelvhair spot on a 10 carriage train (no wheelchair user on board). She was told to move- which meant trying to find a home for her bag, collapsing the pram and storing it all while juggling a toddler, and then wrestling with her on her lap for 90 minutes. This is despite no wheelchair user needing that space.

So whilst I appreciate that disabled person's do have needs that should always be treated with consideration, it's a shame that so many people don't see how inconsiderately we treat young children and their parents and how often they're made to feel unwelcome. It's not a race to the bottom.

Reading these comments I'm certain I'll be flamed for this, but as a new parent they make for depressing reading. I'm surprised to see such a lack of understanding that facilities for babies are often woefully inadequate, only the constant 'disabled needs trump anyone and everything' mantras.
No one is disputing that. And I'm absolutely not suggesting disabled facilities should be sacrificed for baby-related spaces, but that doesn't mean I think it's right that infants and new mothers/pregnant women are always pushed to the back of the queue and seemingly never have suitable provision.

My sister (who's 30 weeks pregnant) recently had to board a train with my 15 month old niece, in a pram and with a weekend bag. It was a 2 hour journey but no stops between where she got on and where she was alighting. The only place she ccould sit with the pram was in the only wheelvhair spot on a 10 carriage train (no wheelchair user on board). She was told to move- which meant trying to find a home for her bag, collapsing the pram and storing it all while juggling a toddler, and then wrestling with her on her lap for 90 minutes. This is despite no wheelchair user needing that space.

So whilst I appreciate that disabled person's do have needs that should always be treated with consideration, it's a shame that so many people don't see how inconsiderately we treat young children and their parents and how often they're made to feel unwelcome. It's not a race to the bottom.