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1993baby · 13/12/2024 12:34

I have previously posted on here about my DD’s school constantly harassing us about attendance..
For example, my DD was in hospital, they called me every single morning asking where she was?and when she would be back in school. She had chickenpox, they wanted me to send her into school despite the governments rules about keeping her off. The list goes on...

My DD, age 5, was recently diagnosed with hearing loss and has naturally, really been struggling in school. She is waiting for hearing aids to be fitted.

She obviously struggles to hear the teacher in class. Other background noises, such as loud noises from the other children, upset her.
She can’t cope with a full day at school it is completely exhausting and draining her that whenever I pick her up, she has huge meltdowns, screaming crying and really upset 😔

In the mornings she is that anxious and worried about going to school that she is physically sick and vomits.

One morning, she didn’t want to go to school and was clinging onto my leg, the teacher came and physically dragged her off me, picked her up and took her into the classroom. She was screaming “mummy mummy” as she was dragging her away. It was awful.

I have spoken to the headteacher and the SENCO. They have not been supportive either.

They sent me a message saying that a plan needs to be put in place in order for her to return to school..Then the next day sent me a message asking where she was and why she was not at school

  • As if they were completely oblivious to everything, despite having multiple conversations with the SENCO, headteacher, attendance officer.
They knew why she wasn’t at school but pretended not to? It’s crazy

Yesterday, 2 police officers came to our house and said the school had called 999 as an emergency and said that they have had no contact with us and that they are extremely worried for the safety of my child.

However, I had messaged the school in the morning giving an update.

I immediately showed the messages to the police officer, who checked the time of the report and told me that they had definitely reported us AFTER I sent that update.

They called 999 at half past 3, after school had finished. I messaged in the morning, they even replied to me and said “thank you for the information”

So the school has been caught out with their lies.

The police officer said in her professional opinion, someone at the school has a personal vendetta against us and has maliciously reported us to the police.

The police officer said she will record this as being a malicious and fraudulent complaint.

She said that whoever reported us from the school was very aware and it was definitely orchestrated as she said they deliberately used all the “trigger words” that would mean such a response from the police.
So they knew what they were doing, it wasn’t a normal or genuine concern.

The police offers were actually shocked by the behaviour of the school. I explained everything the school has done and they said it is definitely harassment.

Does anyone know if it’s possible to take any legal action against the school for this harassment/false report to police etc ?

OP posts:
Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 15:25

spirit20 · 13/12/2024 15:06

Because it's very easy to pull the wool over someone's eye if they just visit for a short period of time and don't back up what they see. It's also easy to forge messages etc. to make it look like they were received and sent at different times.

Look at some of the most high-profile child abuse cases over recent years and you'll see most of their homes had been visited by someone in authority but who was fobbed off. I'm not saying this is what happens in the OPs case, but I am saying that in general if police or social workers are investigating a concern, they shouldn't just accept what the carers say on an initial visit as gospel without digging deeper.

OK I see your point but it's likely that since the police officer made a clear report that the police can investigate that phone and the school, it's the law a school is not above the law. Particularly since they are not following protocol re assisting a child with disabilities. I mean that they are critisizing a parent regarding attendance but not advocating for that child's wellbeing in school themselves. So I think they do have a case to answer. It's already been said, no one wants to send a child into a building where teachers are setting they're hands on them and walking off with them. That's a terrible thing to do to any child, but a deaf child? Much worse. That's why I'm saying be careful with home schooling untill you have specific help for her deafness. Whole different ball game to home school a deaf child. There are lots of deaf charities out there plus the bda who may be able to help the family directly and specifically. There is not enough information really to advise any further. I hope op has found some solace, some advice and a few practical steps to take that will help. Wishing you the very best.

spirit20 · 13/12/2024 15:06

Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:37

Why?

Because it's very easy to pull the wool over someone's eye if they just visit for a short period of time and don't back up what they see. It's also easy to forge messages etc. to make it look like they were received and sent at different times.

Look at some of the most high-profile child abuse cases over recent years and you'll see most of their homes had been visited by someone in authority but who was fobbed off. I'm not saying this is what happens in the OPs case, but I am saying that in general if police or social workers are investigating a concern, they shouldn't just accept what the carers say on an initial visit as gospel without digging deeper.

SpringleDingle · 13/12/2024 15:00

You need to look at other schools and consider Home Educating in the meantime if you can. There is a great Elective Home Educating facebook group that gives guidance on what is needed to EHE.

Squeekey · 13/12/2024 14:58

PigInADuvet · 13/12/2024 14:06

I agree that school could and should be doing more to support your daughter and I'd be looking at alternatives particularly ask questions about supporting children with hearing loss.

However, needing to call daily to report absence is very normal. Messages and emails may not get picked up in a timely manner. Our schools policy is that a parent must call daily regardless of the absence reason (i.e. things that will naturally require more than one day off still need a daily call) before 8:45am, and if you don't they're on the phone by 9am. They have a clear escalation policy for what happens if there is no communication.

You've only got to look at the news to get an idea of why schools have strict policies on such things. Heaven forbid on that one occasion they don't follow up and a child was at risk of harm.

Are you saying that the mum of a kid in intensive care has to make sure she remembers to ring the school every day at 8:45? Bonkers!

Frequency of contact should depend on the nature of the illness just like it would for an adult. You wouldn't expect the NOK to someone in a coma to ring their work daily to say 'still on life support' so it's ridiculous that anyone would expect that with a child.

It's just common sense really. Thankfully my children's school is sensible about this - is a child is of fire 2 days because of a vomit, they don't need a phone call on the second day as it's a waste of time. Same for the first few days of chickenpox.

Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:56

IkeaMeatballGravy · 13/12/2024 14:22

I can absolutely believe that a police officer could say something so unprofessional, but in these circumstances I am glad they did. OP has enough to think about without worrying about police involvement.

You shouldn't have to OP, but it's probably best that you homeschool your daughter until she has her hearing aids and you have found her a better school. I wouldn't be surprised if school have planned it this way to make you leave or drag your daughter in.

Dont agree that homeschooling is the answer. Her socialisation with others is important. I'd leave her in untill you've spoken to county. She'll ve more isolated than ever if she's taken out.

DowntonNabby · 13/12/2024 14:52

A teacher has potentially assaulted said child, what would you do about that?

OP should've reported it there and then. My OH is a primary school teacher and you just cannot put your hands on a child like that. If the teacher did drag her DD as OP is claiming, she would've been suspended pending an investigation. There presumably would've been witnesses too if it was at morning drop-off.

1993baby · 13/12/2024 14:48

@Mamabearsmile

thank you! 🥺
this is exactly the situation

OP posts:
Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:46

MyPithyPoster · 13/12/2024 14:38

Its tricky because now there are safeguarding concerns documented they will no doubt block home schooling

No, I meant why are the police negligent? They investigated and found the school to be harassing the parents. There was proof in the comms record that this was so. Thats a waste of police time. Deaf children need advocacy in the school environment, she wasn't getting it. A teacher has potentially assaulted said child, what would you do about that? The school are not supporting this family.

MyPithyPoster · 13/12/2024 14:38

Its tricky because now there are safeguarding concerns documented they will no doubt block home schooling

Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:37

spirit20 · 13/12/2024 14:26

Whatever the real version of this story is, schools are absolutely correct to report any concerns to the police. Just because a parent messages a school saying child has x appointment or has x illness does not mean it's true, and the school are absolutely correct to flag any concerns.

Schools are advocates for children whose carers are not treating them correctly and they absolutely need to take whatever steps necessary to fulfil this duty. If more schools took the action that this school took, there may be fewer cases of horrific events happening to children.

If the police genuinely did visit the OPs house and accept what they saw there at face value without any further investigating, I would see that as negligent on the part of the police.

Why?

1993baby · 13/12/2024 14:36

@housethatbuiltme

if you are in fact disabled, then personally attacking a mother of a child with a disability is a bit hypocritical..

You are completely twisting my words to find any excuse to write your poison

OP posts:
SmellyNelliey · 13/12/2024 14:35

I would personally deregister your child from the school until you find somewhere else for her to attend make it clear on the email this is with immediate effect,moving forward when finding a new school express your worries sounding you child explain her needs and work with the new school.
I would also make a formal complaint in writing, non of this is acceptable your child isn't safe , get a copy of the police report and send a copy with your complaint so they get a better understanding of the malicious behavior from the school. Op you are also entitled to request via email a copy of the complaints and concerns you have had with the school regarding your daughter.

Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:33

ChishiyaBat · 13/12/2024 14:20

I remember your last thread, it is time to move her from that school for your own and your daughters sake.

I dont necessarily agree with that, schools are not allowed to harass parents into leaving. That's unfair. If the vendetta is real then that needs rooting out first. Who ever is at the bottom of that needs to be identified. It's unprofessional. You can approach a governer of the school and ask them to help too. They will help you to get to the bottom of it Im sure.

You haven't done anything wrong so sort this out first then, if you want to leave when everything is in place and the record is set straight go then. You don't want them sending adverse reports about you to a new school, they'll currently be recording everything from their point of view and that's not fair. Stand your ground and then make a decision on what to do next.

TreeSquirrel · 13/12/2024 14:31

Frankly schools have more than enough to do as it is without making false reports to police. Clearly something has gone on to make school staff concerned.

DH is a headteacher at a free school and says a 999 call would only be made in absolutely exceptional circumstances.

spirit20 · 13/12/2024 14:26

Whatever the real version of this story is, schools are absolutely correct to report any concerns to the police. Just because a parent messages a school saying child has x appointment or has x illness does not mean it's true, and the school are absolutely correct to flag any concerns.

Schools are advocates for children whose carers are not treating them correctly and they absolutely need to take whatever steps necessary to fulfil this duty. If more schools took the action that this school took, there may be fewer cases of horrific events happening to children.

If the police genuinely did visit the OPs house and accept what they saw there at face value without any further investigating, I would see that as negligent on the part of the police.

housethatbuiltme · 13/12/2024 14:24

ASimpleLampoon · 13/12/2024 14:10

@1993baby I believe you. There are some innocent little blessed hearts who believe in just systems and has never encountered this. Ignorance is bliss!

I'm a parent of a disabled child and while I have fared slightly better, I have seen this happen to other families.

I'm complex disabled (and grew up in a time where disabled right where REALLY not great) and I have an autistic DS, one with complex disabilities and one under investigation for autism.

I'm massively outspoken across mumsnet on disabled rights which you can easily check. Assuming I'm ignorant of disability (which is absoloutly nothing to do with this which is OP saying the police have decided all this insanely personal offense against the school and will block future safeguarding concerns) is literally hilarious.

IkeaMeatballGravy · 13/12/2024 14:22

I can absolutely believe that a police officer could say something so unprofessional, but in these circumstances I am glad they did. OP has enough to think about without worrying about police involvement.

You shouldn't have to OP, but it's probably best that you homeschool your daughter until she has her hearing aids and you have found her a better school. I wouldn't be surprised if school have planned it this way to make you leave or drag your daughter in.

ChishiyaBat · 13/12/2024 14:20

I remember your last thread, it is time to move her from that school for your own and your daughters sake.

Mamabearsmile · 13/12/2024 14:20

You need legal advice and quickly. The contract for your childs education is between you and the education authority, the school merely delivers it. You need to speak to someone at county who supports deaf and hard of hearing children. Theyll advise you how to proceed here. Perhaps they don't know how to support her in school so they are seeing your journey with her as troublesome. Go to your clinical support at paediatrics with her hearing and explain her plight at school. They will definitely want to help you both at home and at school. Once the hearing aids are present all of her behaviours will diminish in time. They'll help you and the school. The school need to be careful that they are not discrinating against your child with a disability. That is illegal and can constitute a hate crime. But mostly liaison from paediatrics will help your child. Stay strong and keep a detailed diary of everything that happens with comms from the phone, letters and direct contact with the school; Depending upon what county say you may have help from them too. Thank goodness the police officer was so professional. Keep her informed of all developments. Because you may need her later on. The best case scenario is to have everyone working together to help your child. I think that will happen when you have all the above ducks lined up. Just keep telling yourself that you're on the way to all the support you need and spend lots of quality time with your little girl. You're her safe space. Good luck and keep us updated.

Sparklfairy · 13/12/2024 14:20

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police officers will see it was recorded as malicious.

Police will see this call was recorded as malicious, which is useful information to have. I don't think OP is suggesting that she's now got a get out of jail free card for any future police involvement, but certainly the police can and should be approaching future calls with an open mind, now that a history has been recorded - once.

ChristmasFluff · 13/12/2024 14:18

I believe you.

I lived in a small town which had 2 primary schools; the 'posh' one that all the materialistic mums wanted their kids to go to, and the 'ordinary' one near me, which my son went to.

The posh school was fine if you fitted in. But if a child had a disability, or was not white and middle class, the school allowed the other kids to bully them, and the school itself bullied the parents.

Those children inevitably ended up transferring to the school nearest me, which was a lovely school and was very helpful with my son's difficulties - as they were with any child who needed extra assistance. It was a really happy school and that's important because unhappy kids cannot learn.

So definitely get her out of there, OP. A new start will do her the world of good.

Looneymahooney · 13/12/2024 14:17

If a teacher had dragged my child into school, I would have lost my shit. For one, I would have demanded that they let go of my child immediately and reported them for laying their hands on them.

The school sounds absolutely disgusting, and yes, you definitely need to report this. You can not send a child into school in that state, fearing school every day. It is setting them up for future mental health issues. A new school needs to be found that will suit your child's individual needs. Maybe homeschooling, if you can.

My daughter was having issues with friends at school and was really worried about going in each day. It was making her dread school. She was crying each morning. I kept her off and told the school straight that I would not send my child into an environment that negatively affected her. Report me if you wish. No one tells me how to parent my child or demand they be in school. Thankfully, they were great, and went out of their way to help put things in place. But if things hadn't changed, I would have removed her from the school.

housethatbuiltme · 13/12/2024 14:15

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aloha00 · 13/12/2024 14:15

Police school liaison is for ongoing problems, not for reports of concerns for safety/or not having contact with a child.

The school liaison would have directed them to log an incident with police 101/999

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