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School removed GCSE for yr 11 student?

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LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 09:03

Posting here for traffic as i really need advice.

My daughter is in year 11, she is very strong in maths and science so picked the triple award science in her year 9 options as this would give her 3 strong GCSE grades. Today she has gone into school and we have been informed the school have withdrawn triple science as an option, and all year 11 students will be entered in to the double award instead. This means my daughter is now doing 1 less subject at GCSE than her peers, and now potentially cant get on to the college course she wanted as she was counting on the 3 sciences for the 5 grades 5+ she needs to be accepted.

Is there anything we can do? where do we stand? How can a school take away a GCSE from students 6 months before they finish?

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SanFranByAir · 13/12/2024 10:52

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 09:17

7 in maths, 3/4 in English

Doesn't she need a 5 in English for college?

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:50

Bluevelvetsofa · 13/12/2024 10:46

I’m not clear why she’s doing one subject less than her peers now, if the triple Science option has been removed for all students. Surely that must mean that all previously triple award students will do one fewer.

I think the focus should be on what she can now do to get on to the college course she wants and how to achieve that. As difficult and unfair as it is, I doubt the school will change again, although I imagine all the triple award students and their parents will be angry.

I think contacting the college to explain and see what they say is a good idea. Does the course she wants have a qualification with a lower threshold, so she could do that and then move to the course she initially planned for.

If she achieves the 5 or above in Maths, two Sciences and Geography, she has four and the college may accept that under the circumstances.

Talk to them and you then have a plan.

because not all the kids are doing triple science, and the college intake is from all the high schools across the town where the majority of kids are still going to be sitting the 9 GCSE's where as my daughter and the children doing triple are now doing 8...

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Bluevelvetsofa · 13/12/2024 10:46

I’m not clear why she’s doing one subject less than her peers now, if the triple Science option has been removed for all students. Surely that must mean that all previously triple award students will do one fewer.

I think the focus should be on what she can now do to get on to the college course she wants and how to achieve that. As difficult and unfair as it is, I doubt the school will change again, although I imagine all the triple award students and their parents will be angry.

I think contacting the college to explain and see what they say is a good idea. Does the course she wants have a qualification with a lower threshold, so she could do that and then move to the course she initially planned for.

If she achieves the 5 or above in Maths, two Sciences and Geography, she has four and the college may accept that under the circumstances.

Talk to them and you then have a plan.

wombat15 · 13/12/2024 10:40

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 13/12/2024 10:35

Top medical schools don't require it simply because so many schools are switching to double, and the universities realise that it would be discrimination. It is not because they really don't like them having three sciences at GCSE. It is no comfort for you OP but my dd did triple science and said it was such an advantage at A level compared to those who had just done double.

Yes, and it can be an advantage at degree level too.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 13/12/2024 10:35

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 09:16

Top universities and medical schools require the highest grades in a broad range of subjects. There is no preference to the GCSE subjects, specifically no requirement to study triple science. Most other schools in the trust have not offered Separate Science for some time now and have demonstrated improvement of results, as well as students moving on to excel at both A level and degree level Science related subjects.

For this reason, as a department and as a School, after careful consideration of all the information and research we have done, as well as analysis of the most recent examinations we have concluded that we will be entering all year 11 students for combined Science. This will provide your son/daughter with the best opportunity at receiving two strong grades in Science at GCSE.

This is their reasoning.

Top medical schools don't require it simply because so many schools are switching to double, and the universities realise that it would be discrimination. It is not because they really don't like them having three sciences at GCSE. It is no comfort for you OP but my dd did triple science and said it was such an advantage at A level compared to those who had just done double.

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:35

user2848502016 · 13/12/2024 10:26

What college course is she wanting to do?
For A level it's usually that you need a 5/6 in that subject at GCSEs. Talk to the college about options. She could still do 3 science A levels with top grades in double science and maths.
If it's not A levels then they might have options like an access course for a year, or consider her anyway without the 5+ in 5 subjects but with very strong maths & science results. So 4 at 6+ for example.
Also other colleges might have different requirements for a similar course

There isnt another college. There is one option here for 16-19 year olds, no schools have 6th forms, its just the one college they all feed in to. She wants to do the T level in health with the aims of either nursing or paramedic science at uni, she is still undecided for after college. The T level offers more work placements. If she doesnt get the grades then it would be the health and social care extended diploma, which offers less placements. Both give her the option to do either uni course, but she wants to do the T level and has the conditional offer on that course following her interview.

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TooManyCupsAndMugs · 13/12/2024 10:35

We were told that the situation re physics teachers is so dire that even if every single physics graduate this year were to train to teach there STILL wouldn't be enough physics teachers. But it's all subjects now - my school even struggled to recruit for a PE post. In the past there would gave been 100+ applicants for PE!

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:28

CarefulN0w · 13/12/2024 10:21

I understand how frustrated you might be, but I do slightly understand where school are coming from. If they are struggling for teachers, there is a logic to this if it it helps a majority of pupils to get higher grades. It's really unfortunate that it could affect your daughter.

Are you able to discuss with the college she wants to go to? I'm wondering if she was predicted good grades for triple and has now been disadvantaged, if they would take this into consideration?

Im going to contact the college next week. I have emailed the head of science for clarity. But for the record - they arent short of science teachers. She has no art teacher, but the sciences are all staffed with the same teachers that taught my two older children triple science.

What has changed is the school is under a new trust as of September. A massive country wide trust with 20+ schools. So far i am struggling to see any benefit of them being in this trust as every decision made seems to be negatively impacting students. I am very glad my daughter leaves this time and that she is my last school aged child.

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TooManyCupsAndMugs · 13/12/2024 10:28

trivialMorning · 13/12/2024 10:05

Surely that decision is made in Y9 - when options are chosen and accepted.

Also think DC school tends to look at science scores over time rather than all subjects - but they may factor that in.

You don't surely decide 18 months into a two year course with your presumable better science kids to change the exam - and leave presumably your better students with one less GCSE - and after many ay have already applied for college courses for next year.

Even if they don't have a physics teacher - they'll still need to coved the physics section of double award - so they'd still need someone for that.

DD2 has an awful physics teacher - was predicted a C (Wales A*-G) but first exam sat end of year 10 she got A on that paper as we put the extra work in ie we taught her large swaths of the syllabus and made sure she did practise. So even less than stella mocks you'd think they'd be time to pull those up.

Absolutely and I am not condoning it either. But remember that state schools are exam factories who are under pressure to get good results. Poor results = poor ofsted = kiss of death for school and many people's careers. It's an awful system in a lot of ways but it is reality.

user2848502016 · 13/12/2024 10:26

What college course is she wanting to do?
For A level it's usually that you need a 5/6 in that subject at GCSEs. Talk to the college about options. She could still do 3 science A levels with top grades in double science and maths.
If it's not A levels then they might have options like an access course for a year, or consider her anyway without the 5+ in 5 subjects but with very strong maths & science results. So 4 at 6+ for example.
Also other colleges might have different requirements for a similar course

Foxesandsquirrels · 13/12/2024 10:24

Get her lightup hub for English, my DD is extremely dyslexic, has an ehcp and a stint in a specialist school and it's been godsent. Triple science is so so content heavy so I think this is actually better tbh. What I'd suggest is bringing the art grade up. Have a look at the exam board she's doing, find exemplar sketchbooks for it, make sure annotation is great and help her with that if you need to. Tons of resources. That course ends first so she'll have more time to revise the others.

Beautifulsunflowers · 13/12/2024 10:24

@LolaLouise my apologies I misread.

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:24

kaela100 · 13/12/2024 10:21

You need to be aware that many colleges don't accept a triple award as 3 seperate GCSEs to qualify for STEM A Levels if the student isn't otherwise performing well (ie has 5 other GCSEs). So if the college you're after will accept her then it's worth paying privately to sit the triple award exam.

She isnt applying for A levels and the conditional offer was based on 5 subjects at 5+ with 4+ in both maths and english. She has had her college interview already and the offer was based on the 3 sciences.

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HappyTwo · 13/12/2024 10:21

i would contact the other parents to see who else is upset
i'm very confused as presumably the booked her triple science exams already

kaela100 · 13/12/2024 10:21

You need to be aware that many colleges don't accept a triple award as 3 seperate GCSEs to qualify for STEM A Levels if the student isn't otherwise performing well (ie has 5 other GCSEs). So if the college you're after will accept her then it's worth paying privately to sit the triple award exam.

CarefulN0w · 13/12/2024 10:21

I understand how frustrated you might be, but I do slightly understand where school are coming from. If they are struggling for teachers, there is a logic to this if it it helps a majority of pupils to get higher grades. It's really unfortunate that it could affect your daughter.

Are you able to discuss with the college she wants to go to? I'm wondering if she was predicted good grades for triple and has now been disadvantaged, if they would take this into consideration?

user2848502016 · 13/12/2024 10:20

If all else fails can you ask the school to enter her for the triple exam anyway (or enter her privately), she could do science lessons in school and then get a private tutor to cover the extra material needed for triple science?

trivialMorning · 13/12/2024 10:20

Tropicalsunshine · 13/12/2024 10:09

Something to bear in mind...
Its slightly harder to get good grades in triple because the grade boundaries are higher. For example- last year a grade 5 was 64% on the combined but 67% on the single. You might find that 2 better grades is just as valuable as 3 less good ones. Especially as there will be less to revise.

2 7s and one 6 in her mocks is on track to do well in all three sciences - 5 months out those could go higher.

The OP issue is her DD needs 5 GCSE above grade 5 and with one less science GCSE she at higher risk of not meeting that.

So already doing well with the triple science - she doesn't need higher grades - she needs 5 GCSE above 5 - which this discussion puts her at risk of not getting.

I assume that the school logic - higher grades in double - but if you mess kids round like this they may decide other subjects take priority and those higher grades may not appear.

Startinganew32 · 13/12/2024 10:19

Those going on about how only high flyers get to sit triple science - nobody from that school is sitting triple science due to the schools decision. It has nothing to do with whether the OP’s DD is good at English - nobody is getting the option and it’s very poor form from the school as it sounds like she’d do well in them.

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:19

MaybeMrs · 13/12/2024 10:13

You could pay for her to sit them at a private centre?

I could you're right. However i cant really afford that alongside tutoring for english. Im a single parent of 3 teens, i struggle most months, i have no savings, (dads been MIA for a decade before he is mentioned) and i shouldnt HAVE to pay when it was offered as an option 2 years ago nearly by the school and she was accepted on to the course.

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BourbonsAreOverated · 13/12/2024 10:18

Tropicalsunshine · 13/12/2024 10:09

Something to bear in mind...
Its slightly harder to get good grades in triple because the grade boundaries are higher. For example- last year a grade 5 was 64% on the combined but 67% on the single. You might find that 2 better grades is just as valuable as 3 less good ones. Especially as there will be less to revise.

This.

sounds mad but for some they come out with higher double than they would for triple. My dds school swaps pupils around after mocks to play the system to get the better grades (with agreement though!).

this is terrible at this late stage for the school to do this though, they have 5 months left of school. Can you look at her sitting it in college instead? Some do this.

I do appreciate some courses you absolutely need triple (doctors /vets) so it really is awful for the school to pull that chance from the young people.
as completely anecdotal and useless information for you, I got accepted having done double on a science based animal degree (almost, vet level)

MaybeMrs · 13/12/2024 10:13

You could pay for her to sit them at a private centre?

Hankunamatata · 13/12/2024 10:13

Approach school and have a conversation. Plus I'd approach the college with dd and have a chat with them

user2848502016 · 13/12/2024 10:12

I'd be furious!
No advice really apart from saying you're right to be angry.
Science was my strongest subject too and I did all science A levels - so would have been at a disadvantage when I started A levels if I had done the double science option (or the equivalent of that in the 90s!)

LolaLouise · 13/12/2024 10:12

Tropicalsunshine · 13/12/2024 10:09

Something to bear in mind...
Its slightly harder to get good grades in triple because the grade boundaries are higher. For example- last year a grade 5 was 64% on the combined but 67% on the single. You might find that 2 better grades is just as valuable as 3 less good ones. Especially as there will be less to revise.

But thats irrelevent when she needs 5 to get to her college course not 4 and the school have reduced the likelyhood of that happening.

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