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AIBU to be upset that my end of year bonus is significantly less than last year?

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laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 20:49

I've worked for my company for 7 years. My bonus last year was 4% of my salary. This year I got 3%, even though we've had a particularly hectic year and I feel like I've worked just as hard, if not much harder, than last year. I'm behind on my workload and my requests for help have fallen on deaf ears. I'm being asked why xyz is not done, but when I say I don't have enough hours in the day, I'm told I just have to get on with it like everyone else. I've loved working for this company and have been happy, albeit a bit overwhelmed of late. I'm wondering if I should say something about the reduction in my bonus.

YABU - say nothing and work harder
YANBU - ask why my bonus was so much less this year

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SleepPrettyDarling · 12/12/2024 22:55

How was your bonus communicated to you? Places I’ve worked in the past had a one/on/one conversation with the good news and the bad news, and areas for improvement. Is it a US company with an Irish office?

laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:54

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/12/2024 22:43

I work in financial services where bonuses are the norm. A couple of pieces of advice:

  • It’s fine to ask what the bonus is based on but get a sense of the culture before pushing any further. In my sector pushing for a higher bonus is expected but in yours it might not be.
  • Never run your budget based on getting a bonus. If you get one great then you can enjoy it (I usually save half and spend half) but if you don’t get one you won’t be in a mess.
  • Salary increases are more valuable than small bonuses because it’s harder to cut salaries than bonuses. So if you have to pick your battles go for the salary not the bonus. If the bonus was much higher or performance related it might be different but based on what you say it’s just a small % of your salary.

Thank you.

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laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:52

Viviennemary · 12/12/2024 22:15

If you are behind with your work that might explain why your bonus is lower. If you feel underpaid then perhaps it's time to look for a new job.

That's what I'm afraid of.im not sure what else I can do to get all my work done. I used to work late into the night and weekends to get on top of things if I was behind, but I had a baby a few years ago and that's just not possible anymore. I do some work in the evening and at weekends still, whenever possible, but the time I have available to do that now is drastically reduced.

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laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:47

MolkosTeenageAngst · 12/12/2024 22:38

Did everybody in your company get a 3% bonus? A bonus is just that, a ‘bonus’ so I’m not sure you can really complain unless a specific amount was mentioned in your contract/ salary.

I don't know what others got and I can't ask. It would be awkward given my position.

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laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:44

Rosiecidar · 12/12/2024 22:38

It could be because of the increased NI costs for employers from April next year and the increase in the minimum wage. Companies tend to have a "pot"for bonus payments and that is split among employees. Where I work the bonus while being discretionary is seen as part of the overall renumeration package, we are told the total value of our package in terms of pension, bonus, salary, other benefits all added together.

I'm in Ireland so no increased NI costs. I'm hoping the decrease is due to less cashflow rather than a perceived drop in my performance.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/12/2024 22:43

I work in financial services where bonuses are the norm. A couple of pieces of advice:

  • It’s fine to ask what the bonus is based on but get a sense of the culture before pushing any further. In my sector pushing for a higher bonus is expected but in yours it might not be.
  • Never run your budget based on getting a bonus. If you get one great then you can enjoy it (I usually save half and spend half) but if you don’t get one you won’t be in a mess.
  • Salary increases are more valuable than small bonuses because it’s harder to cut salaries than bonuses. So if you have to pick your battles go for the salary not the bonus. If the bonus was much higher or performance related it might be different but based on what you say it’s just a small % of your salary.
Cynic17 · 12/12/2024 22:42

A bonus is not about how hard you work, OP, it's about how well the company is doing. Most of us work for organisations that never pay a bonus (certainly if we are in the public or voluntary sectors). Even in the private sector, there are no guarantees and a bonus is not a "given", so I think you should consider yourself extremely fortunate.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 12/12/2024 22:42

If it means your overall renumeration is lower than normal and it's an expected part of the package then yanbu. Though it's probably everyone and not just you

It also sounds as if your working conditions are getting worse - too much work with insufficient time to do it.

Biker47 · 12/12/2024 22:40

I mean, if you have no idea on how the bonus is actually calculated, you can't really complain on why it's lower than last years, that should have been your first port of call, to find out from someone how it is determined.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 12/12/2024 22:38

Did everybody in your company get a 3% bonus? A bonus is just that, a ‘bonus’ so I’m not sure you can really complain unless a specific amount was mentioned in your contract/ salary.

Rosiecidar · 12/12/2024 22:38

It could be because of the increased NI costs for employers from April next year and the increase in the minimum wage. Companies tend to have a "pot"for bonus payments and that is split among employees. Where I work the bonus while being discretionary is seen as part of the overall renumeration package, we are told the total value of our package in terms of pension, bonus, salary, other benefits all added together.

AmberAlert86 · 12/12/2024 22:35

slightlydistrac · 12/12/2024 22:31

One place I worked at would usually give the staff a decent bonus each Chrismas but one year it was much lower and everyone was really cheesed off. The financial director and I both knew the disastrous truth that the company was teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, but we couldn't exactly tell them that.

Oh no, what a heavy secret to carry. Did the company pull through?

AmberAlert86 · 12/12/2024 22:33

I've worked for both tight fisted and more generous with bonuses companies. All were based on how much cash is in the kitty, or how much shareholders have allowed to distribute between everyone.
Have you asked your colleagues if their bonus is same as last year or less?
It might well be that you didn't brown nose enough in the past year.

justasking111 · 12/12/2024 22:32

Perhaps the company hasn't done as well as a whole this year, so bonuses are being trimmed. If you're behind in your work are you less efficient or short staffed?

slightlydistrac · 12/12/2024 22:31

One place I worked at would usually give the staff a decent bonus each Chrismas but one year it was much lower and everyone was really cheesed off. The financial director and I both knew the disastrous truth that the company was teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, but we couldn't exactly tell them that.

PoundlandColumbo · 12/12/2024 22:28

JudgeJ · 12/12/2024 21:30

Is the truth not acceptable on this site then?

Of course it is, where is relevant to the discussion.

It's like all the threads asking for advice/info re furlough during lockdown. They got cluttered up with folk saying "I'm a [insert occupation], no furlough for me". So what? It adds nothing.

SabrinaThwaite · 12/12/2024 22:19

PoundlandColumbo · 12/12/2024 21:24

I knew it wouldn't be long before one of these posters came along. They appear on every thread like this.

Thread re work xmas parties..."I've never worked anywhere that had xmas parties"

Thread re tea & coffee facilities at work..."I've been working since I was 12 years old and no employer has ever provided tea or coffee"

Is it supposed to make the OP feel grateful for what she has?

Yes, OP should appreciate that the company pays a bonus. Many companies don’t.

The counterpoint may be that OP has taken a lower base salary with the aim of topping up with the bonus, but that’s a calculated risk.

But OP has clarified that it’s a discretionary bonus and not specified in the contract, so fuck me, they’re bloody lucky and should appreciate it.

Viviennemary · 12/12/2024 22:15

If you are behind with your work that might explain why your bonus is lower. If you feel underpaid then perhaps it's time to look for a new job.

laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:14

I'm seeing a lot of posts assuming I'm in the UK, so for clarification I want to add that I'm in the Republic of Ireland.

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Thewrongdoor · 12/12/2024 22:12

PoundlandColumbo · 12/12/2024 21:24

I knew it wouldn't be long before one of these posters came along. They appear on every thread like this.

Thread re work xmas parties..."I've never worked anywhere that had xmas parties"

Thread re tea & coffee facilities at work..."I've been working since I was 12 years old and no employer has ever provided tea or coffee"

Is it supposed to make the OP feel grateful for what she has?

Yes.

Spirallingdownwards · 12/12/2024 22:11

laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 21:38

Thanks all for comments so far. I work in IT earning well above minimum wage. My contract states a discretionary bonus of up to 10% of my annual salary. There is no mention of how it is calculated or what it's based on. We don't have targets or anything like that. I don't know what our profits are this year or how it compares to last year.

It does however say it is discretionary. Therefore they can choose not to give one at all. I think be thankful for any bonus at all bearing in mind all the additional costs employers have been put to including pension payments and increased NI. I very much suspect increased overheads have cut into the amounts they can afford to give as bonuses.

JacJac77 · 12/12/2024 22:10

I'm facing the same this year, despite working my socks off and doing lots of additional hours (no I don't get paid overtime). My workload has grown as we haven't replaced people who have left, I'm behind, and it's generally been a nightmare. But my bonus will be lower because overall company profits are down slightly!

laylababe5 · 12/12/2024 22:10

JackGrealishsCalves · 12/12/2024 22:02

So if you don't know how it's calculated or what your profits are how can you complain about it?
Sounds like your gripe is workload related but you are projecting and making assumptions your bonus is lower because you missed your targets.
If it's stated as up to 10% and you got something you can't complain.
I also work in IT and we get a bonus, part is company performance and part is personal performance , we all understand how both elements are calculated

I'm not complaining. I suppose I expected it to be at least the same as last year considering it's increased every year I've been there as my salary has increased. I'm posting because I'm looking for other peoples' perspective about whether I should talk to them about it or not, and wondering how it works for other peoples' companies. I'm new to the field. This is the first company I've worked for that has a bonus scheme. Every other company it's been a Christmas bonus of a couple of hundred euro at the most, not an end of year bonus in my contract as a percentage of my salary.

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Franjipanl8r · 12/12/2024 22:07

Have you missed the news where companies need to pay shit loads more in NI contributions? I know of companies making redundancies to find the extra cash. Yours has clearly decided to pay less in bonuses.

MasterBeth · 12/12/2024 22:03

magicalmrmistoffelees · 12/12/2024 21:46

The OP works in a role where bonuses are paid. You don’t. Everyone makes choices.

Yes. And if you choose to work in a place where you get a discretionary bonus, don't be upset if it fluctuates from year to year.