To say no to dog on holiday

Not finding it - not mentioned on the Wiki page on the SBT.

None of the sources seem to be able to refer back to any contemporary sources. Rather, the term seems to have first appeared in the 1970s.

As a parent of a baby this age I’d say no way.

Even if it was a sweet little dog I’d want to say no actually. It’s just a hassle having a crawling baby around dogs that are not your own.

I also don’t especially love dogs so wouldn’t be getting anything positive out of the experience myself. We spent a weekend with some (nice) dogs this summer and it really annoyed me. The smell was awful and it was annoying to have half an eye on the baby’s whereabouts at all times. I believe you should never trust any animal around a baby so felt on guard the entire time. I also couldn’t leave baby with family as I know others are more relaxed about dogs and babies than me. This combined with the standard hormonal protectiveness of a newish mum just made the whole weekend uncomfortable. But to be fair, I wouldn’t even take my kids to a cafe with a pitbull.

Didn't a 10 year old boy get attacked by a staffy just last year?

You are paying for the majority of the accommodation and you don’t want a dog there.
You win.
No dogs, the dog needs to be booked into kennels or He can book his own place to stay. But ensure he does not bring the dog to your place during the day.

It would be unreasonable of you to expose your baby to a dog of unknown temperament and possibly an illegal breed. You shouldn't feel guilty about saying no!

No good deed goes unpunished OP. At least you'll know in the future just to sort your own accommodation and leave the rest of them to it. The dog would not be welcome on my holiday either.

Stick to your guns, OP. You've said they can't bring the dog. If they have already paid towards the house, give them their money back and tell them to make their own arrangements.

I agree with this completely. The dog will still be unwinding and settling, taking it into a strange place with lots of people so soon after you've got it is not a responsible thing to do and is setting the dog up to fail. It's not fair on the dog or the humans. Additionally, you need to assess a rescue dog (and listen to its background). I introduced mine to children very slowly as I watched his behaviour and if there were any signs of stress. I would not have put him in a position where he was in a house with a child/baby until I was confident he'd be ok. And even then I watch him very carefully, it's not a relaxing weekend watching your dog around young children who are strangers to each other.

I would say your BIL may not be able to leave such a new dog in kennels, but his choices are then: 1) getting someone to pet sit in his home (less traumatic for the dog who's last experience of kennels was probably negative if he was in a rehoming centre), 2) do visits for part of the day (if the dog's OK being left & he lives close enough), 3) maybe meet you for a walk while the dog is on lead, or 4) not come. Getting a dog, particularly when you have a new rescue dog, means there's some things you can't do.

Dog lover here but absolutely YANBU. Your BIL is being an arse

The breed is obviously a red flag, but regardless of breed dog shouldn't be coming.

Our dog is a big placid softie but he struggles a bit when we had our relatives young DCs in the house. Nothing happened of course, but one of us would keep an eye on him at all times. He was fascinated by niece who was learning to crawl. We're going to get a dog sitter for the family holiday this year which is a pain because it costs quite a lot, but it just makes life easier for everyone.

I’m a parent and a dog owner. I wouldn’t want a baby / toddler around an unknown young pitbull. It may be a pain for him to sort out dog care for a young dog, but I would def say stick to your guns. In my experience many / most holiday lets don’t accept dogs / puppies under the age of 1.

Hire somewhere that doesn’t allow dogs!

I didn’t say there had to be a compromise….it was in the vein of maintaining cordial family relations…..

It was a suggestion to the OP, are you the OP? Her agent?

Why does there havecto be a compromise no dog means no dog

There does ot have to be a big long back story to the reasons no means no

I get that, if I said my dog would be exercised sufficiently in the morning, would be tired and would happily stay in crate in my bedroom, bar being taken out for bathroom
breaks - then that would be the case.

I can understand though, that it may not be the case.

I personally wouldn’t take a rescue dog, it would likely be too much for the dog, if it wasn’t too far away I would travel for a dinner/ lunch something, as the rescue dog probably also shouldn’t be left for a weekend, at a kennel. But I am a respn dog owner - one can’t expect other people to welcome the dog. They didn’t chose to get the dog. BIL needs to appreciate he has 12- 14 years of being respn for this living thing!

So they're getting what is probably a Staffy cross for Christmas?

A rescue that lets someone take a dog at this time of year might not be the most diligent.

Bad idea. If the brother is unreasonable enough to suggest taking the dog with him and sulking when refused, he can't be trusted to hold his part of a deal, he would be overstepping, not-a-big-dealing, he-is-just-friendlying, you-weren't-here-ing and the OP would be anxious the whole time.

The dog can't come.

Pitbulls are banned in UK so most likely another breed . No way would I allow this - I adore dogs but I wouldn’t allow a dog of unknown temperament ( of any breed) to be around a crawling baby .Even the most placid dogs should be closely supervised and that’ll be stressful for you and BIL .

Wikipedia, and just a quick google. There are multiple sources.

I love dogs, but there is no reason they should have to come everywhere. YANBU.

Likely ddog wouldn't be allowed to stay in the house alone so all trips /meals out would have to accommodate ddog. That's rubbish imo. And I say that as a ddog owner who takes 2 on our trips. Changes the holiday entirely..

You are not at all unreasonable. Don't cave op, this is a boundary for you and your sole focus needs to be keeping you and your baby safe.

Dh needs to be protecting you both and telling his brother to respect your wishes.

They haven't got the 1 year old dog yet, it's less than 2 weeks till Christmas! Not enough time to know the dog or their temperament!

No way. I don't have a phobia but I wouldn't want to be on holiday with a bloody dog. No.

I love dogs and have two asleep next to me as I type.

If you've organised the house and are paying the lion's share then no, BIL does not get to dictate that his dog can come. He's being arrogant and thoughtless.

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The nanny dog didn’t come from the 1970s….the origins are from late 19th century England.
Could you provide a source for that, please? I have only ever found the 70s version.

" BIL wants to bring his new dog and I've said no. ...BIL has kicked off."

I love dogs. But BIL can go fuck himself.