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AIBU to feel a bit fobbed off by response to complaint?

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SummerBaby8 · 12/12/2024 18:43

Sorry for long post, trying to give context.

I attended a&e at 9 weeks pregnant due to dehydration. I’m in my 30’s and my partner is listed as my next of kin. My mother became aware of my admission and contacted a&e. The treating Dr informed my mother I was pregnant. I had not and did not intend to disclose my pregnancy to family for various reasons.

Dr immediately realised their error and informed me. I was very unwell but expressed how upset I was. Following this my partner had to leave for work. When I woke, my mother had attended and been informed of where I was and allowed to sit and wait for me to wake.

Following my discharge, I submitted a complaint. The hospital completed an investigation but didn’t contact me to ask about the impact this has had on me as part of this. Their response is that the Dr is sorry and has been spoken to.

Whilst I understand the pressures the NHS are facing and that people make mistakes, and cannot undo what has been done, AIBU to feel their response is a bit half hearted?

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Helpme100 · 15/12/2024 23:04

bugalugs45 · 12/12/2024 22:12

So how did your mother find out ? You didn't answer the question . I'm guessing she is listed as your next of kin legally , as you're not married ?

Your next of kin is whoever you say it is. There is no legal definition.

Aranciata · 13/12/2024 19:29

TheyCantBurnUsAll · 13/12/2024 17:11

I have a mother who seems able to get private medical information repeatedly. She's done it to me when I'm in hospital and she's done it to an aunt phoned their GP and got all sorts of information under the guise of "concerned relative" wasn't even an emergency situation ffs. I used to be furious with staff for giving her the information but then I consider that I heard her on the phone getting info on my aunt and she seems so caring and worried really pulls their emotions makes them think telling her will set her mind at rest and she will use the information to better support the patient herself. you have to be rather cold to hold firm and say not your business I can't tell you that when in the face if it doing so looks cruel to the relative and would disadvantage your patient. I don't think most people expect the person they are talking to to be a raging manipulative narcissist when on the face of it it looks like a concerned relative.

But if everyone was refused information and admittance to bust unless on a list of acceptable people the patient gives there would be more complaints. Particularly in emergency situations where the patient is unable to give the list

Sorry I strongly disagree. People have training and are supposed to understand the consequences of sharing information with people other than the patient. It’s not about being cold, it’s about doing your job properly and I’m sorry you’ve come across several people apparently willing to breach patient confidentiality.

SummerBaby8 · 13/12/2024 19:12

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 15:45

So somebody has told your mother and you are blaming everyone else. You need to look at yourself and the trouble you've caused. . My mind boggles at the content of this post.

A third party told my mother I was in a&e and I completely understand that is not the fault of the hospital. However my post was around the Dr then disclosing my pregnancy and my mother being admitted to the ward whilst I slept after I had expressed my distress at my mother being informed, and stated only my partner should be consulted with as my named next of kin.
I am not sure what trouble this has caused for anyone else, but I have made it clear that I do not wish for the Dr to face disciplinary action. What I do wish for is that no other patient has a similar experience and was hoping my complaint would contribute to achieving that.

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TheyCantBurnUsAll · 13/12/2024 17:11

I have a mother who seems able to get private medical information repeatedly. She's done it to me when I'm in hospital and she's done it to an aunt phoned their GP and got all sorts of information under the guise of "concerned relative" wasn't even an emergency situation ffs. I used to be furious with staff for giving her the information but then I consider that I heard her on the phone getting info on my aunt and she seems so caring and worried really pulls their emotions makes them think telling her will set her mind at rest and she will use the information to better support the patient herself. you have to be rather cold to hold firm and say not your business I can't tell you that when in the face if it doing so looks cruel to the relative and would disadvantage your patient. I don't think most people expect the person they are talking to to be a raging manipulative narcissist when on the face of it it looks like a concerned relative.

But if everyone was refused information and admittance to bust unless on a list of acceptable people the patient gives there would be more complaints. Particularly in emergency situations where the patient is unable to give the list

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 16:00

Mumofacertainage · 13/12/2024 12:40

So the doctor apologized. For the phone error , then someone whom? Made another error in a& e. Shows what the sorry was worth.
I would want to know
1 what has been done to stop this happening , as current practice not working
2 was there a data breach? That is serious as well
one wonders if the doctor thought he was behaving in an acceptable manner, how many other patients have had info passed on? I love my family , but would not have wanted my private details passed on in this manner.
It is a privacy issue for all not just because you and mother are estranged.
I really would take this further.
i worked for a bank and we would have risked strong disciplinary action for giving an account holders info to Anyone else

If you work for a bank you have NO idea how the NHS functions.!

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 15:57

verycloakanddaggers · 12/12/2024 20:32

A patient's right to confidentiality is a longstanding principle in medicine.

Tell that to the mothers friend who told her about her daughter being in a and e ! The medical staff were probably quite busy trying trying to sort OPs ailments not take a history who she isn't talking to. Ridiculous.

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 15:45

SummerBaby8 · 13/12/2024 11:16

I don’t speak to or see my mother that regularly, so she wouldn’t have been aware of the changes to my health to have known I’d been unwell.

My mother became aware of me being at a&e I believe as one of her close friends happened to be in the waiting room with her husband. I appreciate this is not the fault of the hospital and is just one of those things.

I’m not expecting financial compensation and most definitely not for the Dr to face disciplinary proceedings or for their career to be impacted. I just felt the complaints process didn’t take into account the individual impact of the breach. Given the fact that culturally our relationship is not accepted by certain members of our families, there has been a lot of pressure both ways regarding the pregnancy. If we’d had chance to make a decision ourselves without pressures from family or their knowing, it would’ve been much easier.

I’d have hoped that after the Dr informed me of the initial breach and I expressed how distressed and upset I was, that care would’ve then been taken to ensure my mother was not allowed to simply turn up and sit in my cubicle as I slept.

I appreciate everyone’s thoughts.

So somebody has told your mother and you are blaming everyone else. You need to look at yourself and the trouble you've caused. . My mind boggles at the content of this post.

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 15:27

What I want to know and probably a lot of people on here also, how did the mother know she was in a and e. Nobody seems to know this and the OP has disappeared. Hope she's ok.

jellykitkat · 13/12/2024 15:26

Did you not share the impact when you made your complaint? I’d have expected you to say everything you wanted to when you sent it.

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 15:21

Absolutely, I think inveterate needs to imbibe. For the last time WHO TOLD THE OP's MOTHER? THEY ARE ACTUALLY TO BLAME FOR STARTING THIS. Summerbaby seems to have disappeared.

Mumofacertainage · 13/12/2024 12:40

So the doctor apologized. For the phone error , then someone whom? Made another error in a& e. Shows what the sorry was worth.
I would want to know
1 what has been done to stop this happening , as current practice not working
2 was there a data breach? That is serious as well
one wonders if the doctor thought he was behaving in an acceptable manner, how many other patients have had info passed on? I love my family , but would not have wanted my private details passed on in this manner.
It is a privacy issue for all not just because you and mother are estranged.
I really would take this further.
i worked for a bank and we would have risked strong disciplinary action for giving an account holders info to Anyone else

Lurkingandlearning · 13/12/2024 12:02

Periperi999 · 13/12/2024 11:57

You think A&E doctors have the time to meet and greet relatives at reception and escort them down to the bedside of a mildly unwell patient?!

The doctor will have had nothing to do with this part of OP experience. OP mum would have rocked up at reception and told them that her DD was already inside. Receptionist will have pressed button to release doors, OP mum will have wandered in and taken a seat at OP bedside, end of. OP needs to work on boundaries with her mother. A&E are not there to adult for adults who have the mental capacity to do it themselves.

The doctor has admitted their mistake and apologised.

Well I didn’t say any of that and I’m guessing you can’t see you have just proven my point.

Periperi999 · 13/12/2024 11:57

Lurkingandlearning · 13/12/2024 11:49

I can see why you feel the response was halfhearted but I’m surprised you got a response at all based on my own experience.

OPs have made excuses about your file not being read properly which does happen and absolutely shouldn’t. That’s how patients get muddled up.

But the doctor knew she wasn’t your NOK and still broke confidentiality and then sat her in your cubicle. To me that seems very much more like the doctor disagreed with you and believed your mother should be given your medical information regardless of your wishes and allowed to sit with you while you slept because the doctor believed that is a mother’s right.

I have been on the receiving end of medical staff talking and acting as if their personal opinions on what family dynamics should be overruled how our adult family interacted. And at the same time fucking up on the medical care.

Retraining won’t change people who believe they are so much better than everyone else that they see nothing wrong in basically meddling in other people’s families.

You think A&E doctors have the time to meet and greet relatives at reception and escort them down to the bedside of a mildly unwell patient?!

The doctor will have had nothing to do with this part of OP experience. OP mum would have rocked up at reception and told them that her DD was already inside. Receptionist will have pressed button to release doors, OP mum will have wandered in and taken a seat at OP bedside, end of. OP needs to work on boundaries with her mother. A&E are not there to adult for adults who have the mental capacity to do it themselves.

The doctor has admitted their mistake and apologised.

Lurkingandlearning · 13/12/2024 11:49

I can see why you feel the response was halfhearted but I’m surprised you got a response at all based on my own experience.

OPs have made excuses about your file not being read properly which does happen and absolutely shouldn’t. That’s how patients get muddled up.

But the doctor knew she wasn’t your NOK and still broke confidentiality and then sat her in your cubicle. To me that seems very much more like the doctor disagreed with you and believed your mother should be given your medical information regardless of your wishes and allowed to sit with you while you slept because the doctor believed that is a mother’s right.

I have been on the receiving end of medical staff talking and acting as if their personal opinions on what family dynamics should be overruled how our adult family interacted. And at the same time fucking up on the medical care.

Retraining won’t change people who believe they are so much better than everyone else that they see nothing wrong in basically meddling in other people’s families.

Periperi999 · 13/12/2024 11:23

SummerBaby8 · 13/12/2024 11:16

I don’t speak to or see my mother that regularly, so she wouldn’t have been aware of the changes to my health to have known I’d been unwell.

My mother became aware of me being at a&e I believe as one of her close friends happened to be in the waiting room with her husband. I appreciate this is not the fault of the hospital and is just one of those things.

I’m not expecting financial compensation and most definitely not for the Dr to face disciplinary proceedings or for their career to be impacted. I just felt the complaints process didn’t take into account the individual impact of the breach. Given the fact that culturally our relationship is not accepted by certain members of our families, there has been a lot of pressure both ways regarding the pregnancy. If we’d had chance to make a decision ourselves without pressures from family or their knowing, it would’ve been much easier.

I’d have hoped that after the Dr informed me of the initial breach and I expressed how distressed and upset I was, that care would’ve then been taken to ensure my mother was not allowed to simply turn up and sit in my cubicle as I slept.

I appreciate everyone’s thoughts.

Well your major issue and anger over the breech needs to be focused on the family friend.

Sadly HG ruins the pregnancy experience in more ways than one, and unfortunately it does tend to make it harder to keep things a secret. I had to tell family at 8 weeks, friends even earlier than that. It sucks not being in control but I really think your focusing your distress and anger on the wrong person. The doctor has acknowledged their mistake and apologised already.

wholettheturnipsburn · 13/12/2024 11:17

InveterateWineDrinker · 12/12/2024 19:46

My experience of UK medicine in general and the NHS in particular is that they hide behind 'lessons learned' but real world accountability is never going to be applied by the system.

Report the doctor directly to the GMC under a fitness to practice complaint. It's the only way these cunts learn.

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Wow.

Fedupmumofadultsons · 13/12/2024 11:16

Maybe who knows the age of the doctor .he maybe thought you were unmarried so your mother or father were legally next of kin .which they are that's all .your mum clearly knew you were in hospital who told her

SummerBaby8 · 13/12/2024 11:16

Periperi999 · 13/12/2024 11:01

To be fair the mother probably already knew the reason and it was only confirmed to her by the doctor.

Normally fit and healthy young women suddenly starts experiencing crippling nausea and vomiting bad enough to lead to dehydration and hospitalisation, which if it is HG will have already been going on for several weeks by 9 weeks gestation. Mum doesn't need a medical degree to have pregnancy as her top differential diagnosis in this case!

OP, your mother wasn't born yesterday!

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I don’t speak to or see my mother that regularly, so she wouldn’t have been aware of the changes to my health to have known I’d been unwell.

My mother became aware of me being at a&e I believe as one of her close friends happened to be in the waiting room with her husband. I appreciate this is not the fault of the hospital and is just one of those things.

I’m not expecting financial compensation and most definitely not for the Dr to face disciplinary proceedings or for their career to be impacted. I just felt the complaints process didn’t take into account the individual impact of the breach. Given the fact that culturally our relationship is not accepted by certain members of our families, there has been a lot of pressure both ways regarding the pregnancy. If we’d had chance to make a decision ourselves without pressures from family or their knowing, it would’ve been much easier.

I’d have hoped that after the Dr informed me of the initial breach and I expressed how distressed and upset I was, that care would’ve then been taken to ensure my mother was not allowed to simply turn up and sit in my cubicle as I slept.

I appreciate everyone’s thoughts.

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bigkidatheart · 13/12/2024 11:10

Did the Dr make you better??

Mickey79 · 13/12/2024 11:10

thepariscrimefiles · 13/12/2024 10:32

Only because there will be hardly any patients to treat as the vast majority of the population cannot afford private healthcare, even with an insurance model.

Doesnt matter how much money or time is put in to the nhs, it no longer works. It was never designed to meet the demands it faces today. Completely unsustainable.

Paganpentacle · 13/12/2024 11:09

Mickey79 · 13/12/2024 09:58

Working in the nhs is absolutely diabolical. Private health care will vastly improve working conditions for staff.

how?
Will it make people stop being entitled vindictive cunts?

Fullblowntailspin · 13/12/2024 11:02

Of course the real question is who told your mother. Was it your partner.

Periperi999 · 13/12/2024 11:01

Paganpentacle · 13/12/2024 10:52

If your mother turned up at A/E ... without being notified by staff... they will assume that she was informed by family and asked to attend.
They probably also assumed that she knew the reason you were there.
And depending on how she asked... people can really be manipulative and imply they know what's going on.
I'm sorry she found out... but dragging some poor overworked stressed clinician through meetings and complaints for a simple human error is a bit of overkill.
No wonder NHS is understaffed.

To be fair the mother probably already knew the reason and it was only confirmed to her by the doctor.

Normally fit and healthy young women suddenly starts experiencing crippling nausea and vomiting bad enough to lead to dehydration and hospitalisation, which if it is HG will have already been going on for several weeks by 9 weeks gestation. Mum doesn't need a medical degree to have pregnancy as her top differential diagnosis in this case!

OP, your mother wasn't born yesterday!

Paganpentacle · 13/12/2024 10:53

InveterateWineDrinker · 12/12/2024 19:46

My experience of UK medicine in general and the NHS in particular is that they hide behind 'lessons learned' but real world accountability is never going to be applied by the system.

Report the doctor directly to the GMC under a fitness to practice complaint. It's the only way these cunts learn.

Edited

You nasty piece of work.

Pussycat22 · 13/12/2024 10:53

Paganpentacle · 13/12/2024 10:52

If your mother turned up at A/E ... without being notified by staff... they will assume that she was informed by family and asked to attend.
They probably also assumed that she knew the reason you were there.
And depending on how she asked... people can really be manipulative and imply they know what's going on.
I'm sorry she found out... but dragging some poor overworked stressed clinician through meetings and complaints for a simple human error is a bit of overkill.
No wonder NHS is understaffed.

Nah , mother is a mind-reader as well !