Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

we all agree on the need for more houses but just not here !!

269 replies

billysboy · 12/12/2024 16:25

As title really , everyone seems to agree on the need for more houses regardless of type but doesnt want them here ,
Green belt is supposed to ring fence existing settlements , I like the idea mooted this morning about Wild Belts to encourage wildlife etc ,
I cannot see how this government or any other hopes to build there way out of a crisis where in a lot of places it seems to be 10 x income to get a foot on the ladder
Ultimately it would seem lower house prices would be good for everyone apart from those in negative equity or using housing as an investment rather than a place to call home and the only way to achieve this is to oversupply the market causing prices to remain static whilst wages / income catch up
I thinks its unreasonable how long planning can take on a small domestic extension let alone 300k + house s needed per annum so cannot see how Angela Raynor thinks she will achieve this

No easy answer on this one

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
MereDintofPandiculation · 12/12/2024 21:33

Jellycatspyjamas · 12/12/2024 18:19

I want to downsize there are 3 of us rattling around in a 6 bedroom house but DH uses moving expenses and solicitors fees as an excuse for us not to move.

But downsizing would presumably mean a cheaper property which would more than cover the costs of moving, the resultant reduction in utility costs and lower council tax would repay the moving fees in time.

I wouldn't want to live in a smaller space if all the savings are being eaten up in moving expenses.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/12/2024 21:28

I don't really understand why rather than building huge soulless new housing estates with no amenities, where everyone has to drive and use the existing services of the nearest town, they don't spread it around. So each village gets say 15 new houses, each large village 20, small town 100, medium sized town 150.. then it would be easier to deal with and nowhere would feel overwhelmed or like their services can't cope. That wouldn't meet the housing targets. Villages round us are having entire estates built, making a huge difference to the community. My small town had a housing target of 5000.

Estates on greenfield are popular with developers because building costs are far lower.

Councils already have the powers to compulsorily purchase long-term-unoccupied properties.

louddumpernoise · 12/12/2024 21:26

ExpressCheckout · 12/12/2024 21:23

Two suggestions

Build more affordable 1-2 bedroom homes so older folks like me can release our 3-4 bedroom houses for families. Many of us do not want retirement flats etc., we want an affordable bungalow or small home.

Second suggestion - in new towns, make it a condition of planning permission that Tesco, or whoever want to move in, also build a GP surgery or contribute to building a primary school.

Another ill thought out contribution - any ideas where we will get the builders to build these? staff them? where we get the money for the scanners and equipment required?

oh lets import more people into the UK...

We need to stop migration, we are building houses to house, mainly, low skilled immigrants & their families.

Itsmyopinion · 12/12/2024 21:25

We don’t need houses to be built - we don’t want green sites to be built on. We do not want are countryside destroyed. What this government needs to get a grip on is all the illegal immigrants coming across on boats. I fear this is why the government want to build houses for / which is just not acceptable.

louddumpernoise · 12/12/2024 21:24

DdraigGoch · 12/12/2024 21:18

We need more mid-rise density. I'm sure that many people covet the 3 bedroom suburban semi with a big garden but what's the point if you can't afford it? We should look at Dutch cities as an example.

No we don't, we need to stop importing people to pay the taxes needed to pay people to sit on their arses.

The millions of people coming here from SE Asia and Africa, with families etc will need pensions, care & long past their old age, what to do? oh lets import millions more to look after them....

Its utter madness

For housing, ban second homes, just force people to sell, give them 12months to get rid.

ExpressCheckout · 12/12/2024 21:23

Two suggestions

Build more affordable 1-2 bedroom homes so older folks like me can release our 3-4 bedroom houses for families. Many of us do not want retirement flats etc., we want an affordable bungalow or small home.

Second suggestion - in new towns, make it a condition of planning permission that Tesco, or whoever want to move in, also build a GP surgery or contribute to building a primary school.

DdraigGoch · 12/12/2024 21:20

TwinklyAmberOrca · 12/12/2024 17:21

Part of the problem is WHERE people want live - the South East/London! Which is why house prices are remaining inflated in these areas as space is at a premium.

Go further up north, to say Sheffield, and you can get a nice 3 bed family home for £200k. The median full time salary in the UK is about £35k, so this is perfectly affordable. Even up north this median is still over £30k.

So people need to vote with their feet and move! There are LOTS of available properties up north too.

I often see people living in London earning minimum wage and wonder why they don't move up north where they can earn the same and live in a much nicer property. A friend tells me she grew up in London so that's where her family are, and as train travel is so expensive across the UK then it would be too expensive travelling to see her family at weekends etc... (but said she would happily move up north if she could travel back to London cheaply)

Train travel between the North and London would be faster and cheaper if the last government hadn't cancelled HS2 to Manchester and Leeds.

DdraigGoch · 12/12/2024 21:18

We need more mid-rise density. I'm sure that many people covet the 3 bedroom suburban semi with a big garden but what's the point if you can't afford it? We should look at Dutch cities as an example.

louddumpernoise · 12/12/2024 21:18

lljkk · 12/12/2024 20:08

I never thought i'd leave the UK but that time is coming soon.

Er, so you yourself can become an unwelcome immigrant elsewhere?

Thats a good point and one i accept but i would move to country with 3x the land mass but a similar population, plus i would bring with 700k euros and a monthly income, plus health insurance.

If our Uni sector cannot survive without 300k foreign students + dependents, then it needs to shrink to a level that is suitable for our own population plus around 50k foreign students... you know much like most of Europe.

My point, which your post ignored, is the UK has millions of the young and sick NOT in work, meanwhile we import millions of people per decade... that in a country as small as the UK and with terrible infrastructure is unwise and as well as unsustainable.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/12/2024 21:16

Ultimately it would seem lower house prices would be good for everyone apart from those in negative equity or using housing as an investment rather than a place to call home And apart from developers, who release houses at a rate that won't cause prices to drop.

MikeRafone · 12/12/2024 21:11

BoobyDazzler · 12/12/2024 20:19

Quite.

there’s not a housing shortage, too many cars on the road, not enough doctors, dentists or school places.

Theres too many fucking people.

764000 net migration

9% Indian, which is the highest, Polish next

there is a reason we have such large numbers of Indian

LarkinAboot · 12/12/2024 21:07

The country is full of empty houses or houses being used ineffectively.

Plenty of apartments and houses in London are sold entirely as investment to foreign investors and not used.

Flats getting built are rarely family homes or indeed accessible to most/ those struggling.

I did a project quite a while ago now that covered the number of empty council properties due to damage and disrepair ( in the city I lived in then and it was eye watering.)

Also scrap air bnb. Probably second homes altogether tbh.

Building houses comes at great environmental cost and should be a last resort. We certainly shouldn't be squandering precious greenbelt land on it.

We don't have a shortage of homes, the country prioritises wealth over people and the environment.

They tried to build a new development near me a while ago - the promised number of social housing flats kept mysteriously going down. Those would have a separate entrance and no access to the gardens. The flats themselves were really only suitable for single adults possibly couples.

suburburban · 12/12/2024 20:59

@FeegleFrenzy

Yes I have heard that before

FeegleFrenzy · 12/12/2024 20:58

But we have about half a million empty ones and way over 1 million second homes.

think we should ban holiday cottages and get them back into full time occupancy housing stock.

FeegleFrenzy · 12/12/2024 20:56

suburburban · 12/12/2024 20:27

It really doesnt help when the government withdraws the NHS bursaries so that the young people from the UK could train to become health care professionals

It helps even less when newly qualified nurses and midwives can’t get jobs because the nhs trusts don’t have money to increase staffing 🤷‍♀️

Tedsnan1 · 12/12/2024 20:50

Anyone born after the war would have been 16 in 1962 so this isn't very likely 🙄

notedbiscuits · 12/12/2024 20:35

If any empty homes are too dangerous to live in. Knock them down and build on the land. Brownfield homes.

notedbiscuits · 12/12/2024 20:34

Wish building developers stop building or converting buildings into studio flats. People are WFH/remotely and need a separate room to work and to chill.

dynamiccactus · 12/12/2024 20:32

I take issue with the premise of your OP but not because I disagree with houses built near me, I take issue with houses built full stop.

The narrative seems to be that we need more houses.

But we have about half a million empty ones and way over 1 million second homes.

Before building new ones, I'd bring the empty ones back into use and use carrots and sticks to encourage people to rent out their second homes. And while doing that I'd carry out some research to make sure that we do need more homes, and if we do, what we need and where to build them.

As someone said on another thread, we need more bungalows (and houses for smaller families).

And I am fundamentally opposed to green field development. We do not need it.

suburburban · 12/12/2024 20:27

It really doesnt help when the government withdraws the NHS bursaries so that the young people from the UK could train to become health care professionals

dreamingofsun · 12/12/2024 20:20

PuddlesPityParty · 12/12/2024 17:43

Boohoo to you. You’re literally one of the reasons we’re in this mess so I really couldn’t care less about any woe it causes you.

I dont believe i was asking for any sympathy. but if you want people to sell houses (especially if they own several) you shouldnt make it increasingly expensive from a tax perspective to do so.

BoobyDazzler · 12/12/2024 20:19

Xenia · 12/12/2024 20:13

900,000 new people a year come here. We are second only to the US on numbers of immigrants. We also have 18m more people in the UK than when I was born here. I preferred it with 18m fewer. Perhaps we should start by encouraging 18m people to leave before we decide to make the countryside a housing estate.

Quite.

there’s not a housing shortage, too many cars on the road, not enough doctors, dentists or school places.

Theres too many fucking people.

MikeRafone · 12/12/2024 20:19

louddumpernoise · 12/12/2024 19:27

Rural areas have terrible services, always have, just even worse now.

England is quickly being destroyed.

We are completely changing the make up of the country and not for the better either, with no roads, schools, health services for the 100s of 1000s we invite into the UK each and every year... meanwhile millions claim benefits and dont work who should be.
We've shocking numbers of sick and young people not working... why???

Our political parties are so wrong on this.

Migration solves nothing, its like continually painting over a damp wall.

I never thought i'd leave the UK but that time is coming soon.

Edited

We invite nurses and doctors into our country, as we don’t have enough. Go into any hospital and you’ll see immigrants running the NHS & they have been since the 1960s

48% rises in immigrants being sent away in 2024 compared to 2023

unemployment is 1.49 million, millions may well claim benefits - but they are working claimants not being paid enough by their employers

if migration to other countries is like painting over a damp wall - what will you be if you migrate elsewhere?

suburburban · 12/12/2024 20:13

Xenia · 12/12/2024 20:13

900,000 new people a year come here. We are second only to the US on numbers of immigrants. We also have 18m more people in the UK than when I was born here. I preferred it with 18m fewer. Perhaps we should start by encouraging 18m people to leave before we decide to make the countryside a housing estate.

So did I

Why does it have to be like this. It's not achieving anything

suburburban · 12/12/2024 20:13

Yes definitely