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to be a bit annoyed at the way this body search was done?e

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CharlotteRumpling · 12/12/2024 08:36

So I was just body and hand searched at Heathrow. I dont object to that at all. I object to the demeanour of the woman security guard. A lot of tutting, rolling eyes, snappy tone because I was apparently holding my hands the wrong way/ not getting into position fast enough. I left home at 5 am so a bit sleepy. On the other hand I recognise it's a very hard and intense job. But the women after me was body searched because she had coins ( I didn't) and she got a pleasant please and thank you. She also did not have her hands checked.

I am brown btw.

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SleepToad · 24/12/2024 07:44

SummerSnowstorm · 23/12/2024 23:08

I think ive seen the oceans films a long time ago but can't remember an airport scene. That's a very niche genre.

What crime movies/TV... hardly niche.

SummerSnowstorm · 23/12/2024 23:08

SleepToad · 13/12/2024 15:50

What no kojac, Starkey and hutch, the bill, ncis, Hawaii 5-0, Juliet bravo, etc, etc, that is any police drama.
Any crime film, such as the godfather, James bond, oceans 11/12/13.

And surely the people going in front of her in the security que.

I think ive seen the oceans films a long time ago but can't remember an airport scene. That's a very niche genre.

clodethewindie · 14/12/2024 14:29

pikkumyy77 · 14/12/2024 02:10

Its not an unheard of insult or beyond the bounds if reasonable inquiry to discuss race, racism, and racial profiling in the absurd security theater that we are forced to undergo in airports. There has been plenty of respectable sociological research and legal inquiries into inequitable and racist practices in screening procedures.

Who said it was “unheard of”? I’m just making the point that attributing every slight made to you and instantly assuming it’s because of your race in my opinion waters down genuine incidents of racism.

The OP said themselves they weren’t getting into the right positions asked of them because they were sleepy so the person probably get irritated. Yeah it would be kinder for the person to have given OP patience but none of us know how busy the airport was, how long that person had been working, if they’d had numerous bad interactions that day etc - the OP may have been been unintentionally rude back by pulling a face. Who know? We weren’t there.

I’m assuming the person searched afterwards was white, which kind of moves more towards saying OP wasn’t profiled for her skin colour. And was OP there for the full encounter of a different person being search? Who hangs around that long at the security check point?

CeeJay81 · 14/12/2024 05:19

Oh dear. Currently at a airport hotel, flying in a few hours. Hoping we don't have an experience like that. It's not a great start to any holiday but glad your enjoying your holiday now.

endofthelinefinally · 14/12/2024 05:00

I am nearly 70, white and my hand luggage was swabbed for drugs and I was patted down quite thoroughly on a recent short flight. First time it has ever happened to me. I suppose pensioners must be being used as drug mules these days. It isn't a pleasant experience and I am sorry that happened to you OP.

Pinkpurpletulips · 14/12/2024 04:45

I had some dreadful agressive woman when I was visiting London for the day flying in from France. I explained we were holidaying in France and I was flying over for a day to have lunch in London with an old school friend. She implied my husband and I were planning a new life illegally in the UK armed with only the contents of my handbag and despite a flight booked back to Paris that night. She couldn't grasp the concept that I wasn't dying to stay longer in the UK. I didn't tell her that she was deluded about the delights of the UK and I have the right to live in the UK even though I was travelling on a foreign passport. I was polite because I thought she was dying to snap out a pair of rubber gloves. Both my husband and I are white.

Wakeywakie · 14/12/2024 02:29

pikkumyy77 · 14/12/2024 02:10

Its not an unheard of insult or beyond the bounds if reasonable inquiry to discuss race, racism, and racial profiling in the absurd security theater that we are forced to undergo in airports. There has been plenty of respectable sociological research and legal inquiries into inequitable and racist practices in screening procedures.

Exactly, agree with @SoNiceToComeHomeTo too.

mumsnet is appalling sometimes.

If this was a woman saying she was treated badly (especially by a man)in some way and felt it was a gender /sexism issue I’m sure far less posters would immediately rush to the airport staffs defence or say it wasn’t about sex/gender.

It would be more 50/50 at least.

Why is your first port of call to invalidate a woman of colours experience?

@CharlotteRumpling I don’t know this woman’s motivation and I obviously wasn’t there but it’s well known many brown people are treated worse especially at airports. And the fact she was polite to the (presumably white?) woman after you is obviously further indication some racial bias could’ve involved.

Sometimes people just know in their guts, so you will probably know deep down either way.

YANBU to be annoyed but that said forget it for now at least and Enjoy your holidays!

LockForMultiball · 14/12/2024 02:16

SleepToad · 13/12/2024 15:50

What no kojac, Starkey and hutch, the bill, ncis, Hawaii 5-0, Juliet bravo, etc, etc, that is any police drama.
Any crime film, such as the godfather, James bond, oceans 11/12/13.

And surely the people going in front of her in the security que.

People don't necessarily pay that much attention to the exact hand position etc. of actors pretending to be searched in a TV show (or make sure to closely observe real people currently being searched who'd probably rather not be stared at, and are most likely on the other side of a crowd of queuing passengers). I could probably see TV body search scenes dozens of times and not take note of whether people were facing their hands forwards, backwards, or side-on. Just as you've probably seen the word "queue" thousands of times (including in several posts above yours) and still managed to leave half of it off.

Edit to add: if you're thinking of coming back with a "well actually I'm dyslexic" or whatever, well done, that's the fucking point. People are different, choose different media to consume, notice different things, remember different aspects, have differing levels of ability to apply knowledge in different situations, and so on.

pikkumyy77 · 14/12/2024 02:10

clodethewindie · 13/12/2024 16:11

Why have you instantly tried to make out this was because of race?

I’ve rarely come across any “friendly” people in security, they are dealing with never ending long queues, people not following instructions and the pressure of their decisions/checks having huge repercussions if not done correctly.

Let it go or make a formal complaint.

Its not an unheard of insult or beyond the bounds if reasonable inquiry to discuss race, racism, and racial profiling in the absurd security theater that we are forced to undergo in airports. There has been plenty of respectable sociological research and legal inquiries into inequitable and racist practices in screening procedures.

clodethewindie · 14/12/2024 01:55

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 13/12/2024 19:03

Because the white person who followed was treated quite pleasantly.

Were they? Or was it just perceived that way?

Who is still hanging around after their search to listen and watch intently on the next person who’s a stranger?

FictionalCharacter · 13/12/2024 19:52

SirCharlesRainier · 12/12/2024 09:46

On the other hand I recognise it's a very hard and intense job.

I think you're giving them a bit too much credit here. It's not that it's a hard job, it's just that some of them are total arseholes.

Yep. It's absolutely possible to do a hard and intense job without being rude and unpleasant to people. I'm sure that tutting and being grumpy doesn't make their day any better. And they should never shout at passengers, that isn't ok .

Sunnnybunny72 · 13/12/2024 19:14

I once saw a poor elderly chap get barked at to remove his braces going through security. He then waddled through the machine with his pants round his ankles. I've never forgotten it.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 13/12/2024 19:03

clodethewindie · 13/12/2024 16:11

Why have you instantly tried to make out this was because of race?

I’ve rarely come across any “friendly” people in security, they are dealing with never ending long queues, people not following instructions and the pressure of their decisions/checks having huge repercussions if not done correctly.

Let it go or make a formal complaint.

Because the white person who followed was treated quite pleasantly.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/12/2024 16:37

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 12/12/2024 08:38

I once got body searched in Morocco and the woman put her hands right between my legs and squeezed! Definitely felt violated.
Most customs/security at airports are not very happy/smiley IME

I'm so sorry that happened to you, MyOtherCar, but I guess at least it was a woman

The worst one I ever saw was at Luxor, where naturally each search was done by someone of the same sex ... until that is a family with a very pretty teenage daughter came through and a huge guy came forward practically slobbering and proceeded to give her a very handsy search

I felt awful for her, but almost worse for her poor dad, who stepped up to say something and was met with a smirk and a tap of the security guy's gun Sad

AgnesX · 13/12/2024 16:26

Any time I've been in an airport it's been rammed for various reasons including holiday season but invariably Security didn't have time to be nasty or nice. They were trying to get people through as fast as possible - and people are absolute dingbats sometimes, faffing about with no self awareness when there's a horde of people behind them.

clodethewindie · 13/12/2024 16:11

Why have you instantly tried to make out this was because of race?

I’ve rarely come across any “friendly” people in security, they are dealing with never ending long queues, people not following instructions and the pressure of their decisions/checks having huge repercussions if not done correctly.

Let it go or make a formal complaint.

romdowa · 13/12/2024 16:10

I'm disabled and met the most unpleasant man in Birmingham Airport who was quite annoyed that I couldn't walk though the scanner without the crutches. He kept shouting surely you can take a few steps. It was actually one of the most mortifing experiences of my life. In the end a supervisor came over and he was sent else where and she finished the pat down / scan and was lovely.

WaveNeverBreaking · 13/12/2024 16:06

Best to not take it to heart. I got literally shouted at and then told off like a child for my underwear setting off the alarms once.

I was stood in my underwear only at that point and had been suggesting it might be a the underwire for a while...

It was the day before my partners funeral, which was also my reason for travel, so I'll grant I probably was acting a bit odd and upset.

I got over it - only remember it when I hear stories like this. As with all people acting like an arse but who have the power to ruin your month, it's best to just let it wash over you. Enjoy the beach!

OldMrBernardWhoHaveYouSilencedToday · 13/12/2024 15:55

I had one guy at JFK ask me to take my bra off. I was just putting my bag onto the conveyor, not being searched. I was startled and didn't know what to say. Then he started roaring with laughter like this whole thing was hilarious and let me move on.

Some of these staff are clearly on power trips.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 13/12/2024 15:55

CharlotteRumpling · 12/12/2024 08:36

So I was just body and hand searched at Heathrow. I dont object to that at all. I object to the demeanour of the woman security guard. A lot of tutting, rolling eyes, snappy tone because I was apparently holding my hands the wrong way/ not getting into position fast enough. I left home at 5 am so a bit sleepy. On the other hand I recognise it's a very hard and intense job. But the women after me was body searched because she had coins ( I didn't) and she got a pleasant please and thank you. She also did not have her hands checked.

I am brown btw.

It does sound racist if the woman after you was given a more pleasant approach. Grim.
As well as that, I don't think the people doing these searches take into account how unpleasant and intrusive it is to be groped by a stranger, even one of the same gender doing her job. It isn't always clear what they want and people are often stressed or tired at airports and need a bit of slack.

SleepToad · 13/12/2024 15:50

SummerSnowstorm · 13/12/2024 09:25

It.depends what type of tv people watch, I can't think of a single programme where I've seen someone being searched.

What no kojac, Starkey and hutch, the bill, ncis, Hawaii 5-0, Juliet bravo, etc, etc, that is any police drama.
Any crime film, such as the godfather, James bond, oceans 11/12/13.

And surely the people going in front of her in the security que.

Dearg · 13/12/2024 10:59

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 12/12/2024 08:38

I once got body searched in Morocco and the woman put her hands right between my legs and squeezed! Definitely felt violated.
Most customs/security at airports are not very happy/smiley IME

Travelling with my friend (female), we got stopped at Schiphol , for a pat down.

Friend came through trying hard not to cry. The woman searching her was so ‘thorough’ her bra had been undone. Apparently the agent needed to ensure that the wires were just that!

That said, I don’t know anyone who relishes airport security 🤷🏻‍♀️

user2848502016 · 13/12/2024 10:55

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 12/12/2024 08:38

I once got body searched in Morocco and the woman put her hands right between my legs and squeezed! Definitely felt violated.
Most customs/security at airports are not very happy/smiley IME

Omg I had this in Belfast airport!

I don't think airport security are known for being friendly....

CharlotteRumpling · 13/12/2024 10:05

Anonymus89 · 13/12/2024 09:56

Airport security staff deal with an endless stream of people every day—some pleasant, some downright awful—all while trying to clear massive queues as quickly as possible. Throw the madness of Christmas into the mix, and it’s chaos on a whole new level.

I travel a lot and honestly never give situations like this much thought. One time in Canada, they accused me of carrying metal in my luggage which I didn't declare. It turned out to be a rock I’d bought as a souvenir. The staff definitely weren’t nice to me during the whole ordeal, but you should’ve seen their faces when I opened my bag and pulled out a rock 😂🤣

Seriously, though, there’s so much more to worry about in life than whether an airport security worker said 'thank you' to someone else and not you. It’s not that deep, and it’s definitely not personal.

Yes; you are right. It rubbed me up the wrong way- something about all the tutting- but I am over it now and on a sunny beach!

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Anonymus89 · 13/12/2024 09:56

Airport security staff deal with an endless stream of people every day—some pleasant, some downright awful—all while trying to clear massive queues as quickly as possible. Throw the madness of Christmas into the mix, and it’s chaos on a whole new level.

I travel a lot and honestly never give situations like this much thought. One time in Canada, they accused me of carrying metal in my luggage which I didn't declare. It turned out to be a rock I’d bought as a souvenir. The staff definitely weren’t nice to me during the whole ordeal, but you should’ve seen their faces when I opened my bag and pulled out a rock 😂🤣

Seriously, though, there’s so much more to worry about in life than whether an airport security worker said 'thank you' to someone else and not you. It’s not that deep, and it’s definitely not personal.