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Teacher telling 7yo that Father Christmas not real

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 11/12/2024 22:33

Is it reasonable for a RE teacher to tell 7 year olds that Father Christmas isn’t real?

My 7 year old DS has just told me that his RE teacher told the class Father Christmas “isn’t real” today. He isn’t one to over-exaggerate. I asked if any of the kids prompted it by asking and he said no, she just said it.

If you think it’s unreasonable, would you say anything to the school?

YABU - teachers are fine to say FC is not real at the age of 7

YANBU - let the kids / parents decide if FC is real. Just don’t say anything!

OP posts:
CrazyGoatLady · 16/12/2024 08:39

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 16/12/2024 07:27

Just gonna say that in 13 years working in schools and CAMHS in child educational psychology and mental health, trauma from finding out Santa isn't real never made it into the therapy room.

Nobody is saying it's this extreme.

But you're being a little disingenuous if you're saying a young child wouldn't be bothered at all by finding out Father Christmas isn't real just days before Christmas itself.

Nobody is suggesting it's going to create long term trauma, mental health issues or result in a stolen childhood.

But an adult purposefully telling a child Father Christmas isn't real is unkind

I agree it's unkind to do it deliberately, and I don't doubt a child would be upset. But we seem to believe these days that if children get upset about small things it's the end of the world and they won't get over it.

Also, as @Nolegusta says, if parents are going to choose to lie about Father Christmas, they can't police others' decision not to lie, therefore they also take the risk that their kids will find out that it's a lie at some stage before parents decide to tell them.

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 08:22

thepariscrimefiles · 16/12/2024 08:20

Alternatively, the RE teacher might be a religious zealot like the JW father of the above poster who delighted in telling his 10 year old grand-daughter with Downs Syndrome that Santa doesn't exist.

We can all make up our own version of events but I normally take the OP's description of the issue they are raising at face value and don't automatically think that their account of events is untre.

I take OP at face value but I'm not sure her child's version will be 100% accurate.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/12/2024 08:20

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 07:36

'According to OP'.
The child may be recounting the events inaccurately to OP, or even missed something said previously or as part of another conversation in the classroom.

Alternatively, the RE teacher might be a religious zealot like the JW father of the above poster who delighted in telling his 10 year old grand-daughter with Downs Syndrome that Santa doesn't exist.

We can all make up our own version of events but I normally take the OP's description of the issue they are raising at face value and don't automatically think that their account of events is untre.

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 07:36

thepariscrimefiles · 15/12/2024 19:49

According to the OP, nobody asked the RE teacher about Santa. She wasn't answering a question asking whether Santa is real, so it wasn't that she didn't want to lie. She just told the class unprompted that Father Christmas isn't real.

Obviously she wasn't lying, but it wasn't her place to tell a class full of 7 year olds that Santa isn't real just before Christmas. The vast majority of children stop believing by the time they go to secondary school, so it wasn't necessary for the teacher to do this.

'According to OP'.
The child may be recounting the events inaccurately to OP, or even missed something said previously or as part of another conversation in the classroom.

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 07:33

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:22

Yeah, but it’s not going to ruin Christmas is it? Seriously

That's not your call though is it?

Why do something that has the potential to upset a child unnecessarily?

You could say that about starting the needless lie in the first place though.

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 07:32

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:11

An adult knows exactly what telling a child just before Christmas would do and the child certainly wouldn’t consider it to be kind.

An adult also knows the potential repercussions down the line when they chose to start the lie. Their choice, of course, but they cannot police others different choices.

Nolegusta · 16/12/2024 07:30

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 15:51

Ad adult might think that not lying is being kind.

If it involves telling a child Father Christmas doesn't exist then, in my opinion, that makes you a pretty horrible person.

That's me being honest.

I'm not keen on the lying about santa thing to start with, but I don't label those who choose to lie as horrible.
DS was never lied to about santa. He accepted that some people's parents did lie and was versed in the 'we all believe different things' reply.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 16/12/2024 07:27

Just gonna say that in 13 years working in schools and CAMHS in child educational psychology and mental health, trauma from finding out Santa isn't real never made it into the therapy room.

Nobody is saying it's this extreme.

But you're being a little disingenuous if you're saying a young child wouldn't be bothered at all by finding out Father Christmas isn't real just days before Christmas itself.

Nobody is suggesting it's going to create long term trauma, mental health issues or result in a stolen childhood.

But an adult purposefully telling a child Father Christmas isn't real is unkind

LOveLaughToasterBath · 15/12/2024 23:57

My father is a JW and derives great satisfaction from attempting to tell my now 10 years old daughter with Down's that Santa isn't real. It started about 5 years ago. Thankfully we don't see him very often, and she's usually not paying enough attention to him to comprehend what he's saying. I've lost my shit at him so many times, he takes no notice. He's blindingly self righteous, and walking on everything ice.
This teacher is basically the same. WHY does she feel the need to bring this up? Because of HER opinions. Everyone has them, they're like arse holes, as the saying goes. If she doesn't agree, she should just belt up and "scroll on by".

CrazyGoatLady · 15/12/2024 21:01

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:28

Perhaps, but it’s not Christmas ending.

Indeed, most people do still manage to enjoy Christmas even after learning Santa isn't real. And look back on whatever made them find out and it's just a childhood memory like any other. If they even do remember at all.

Just gonna say that in 13 years working in schools and CAMHS in child educational psychology and mental health, trauma from finding out Santa isn't real never made it into the therapy room.

PureBoggin · 15/12/2024 20:20

Honestly isn't always a kindness.

thepariscrimefiles · 15/12/2024 19:49

Nolegusta · 15/12/2024 09:43

Folk here are outraged that teachers don't lie though.

According to the OP, nobody asked the RE teacher about Santa. She wasn't answering a question asking whether Santa is real, so it wasn't that she didn't want to lie. She just told the class unprompted that Father Christmas isn't real.

Obviously she wasn't lying, but it wasn't her place to tell a class full of 7 year olds that Santa isn't real just before Christmas. The vast majority of children stop believing by the time they go to secondary school, so it wasn't necessary for the teacher to do this.

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:30

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:28

Perhaps, but it’s not Christmas ending.

They would get over it, of course. Doesn’t take away how mean it is of the adult though.

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:28

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:25

Quite possibly. It certainly isn’t going to be a nice memory, is it? It will always be the Christmas that the teacher spoiled for them.

Perhaps, but it’s not Christmas ending.

EvelynBeatrice · 15/12/2024 16:27

Not the teacher’s place. Unacceptable.

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:25

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:17

Yeah, but it’s not going to ruin Christmas is it? Seriously

Quite possibly. It certainly isn’t going to be a nice memory, is it? It will always be the Christmas that the teacher spoiled for them.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:24

Kids get over things quickly. Of course, it’s lovely to keep Christmas magical for them, but finding out Santa is not real doesn’t mean that Christmas is ruined.

But why would you want to ruin the magic on purpose though? Especially for a child that's not even yours!

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:22

Yeah, but it’s not going to ruin Christmas is it? Seriously

That's not your call though is it?

Why do something that has the potential to upset a child unnecessarily?

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:21

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:16

@SleepyHippy3
It absolutely would taint that Christmas. It would cause upset.
It wouldn't be a happy memory would it?

However, I didn't say it would 'steal their childhood' or create Armageddon. That's a tad over dramatic.

Kids get over things quickly. Of course, it’s lovely to keep Christmas magical for them, but finding out Santa is not real doesn’t mean that Christmas is ruined.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:20

There are children who have never been told about Santa and still manage to have a wonderful Christmas.

Clearly that's not the same is it?

If, as a child, you genuinely believe Father Christmas is visiting you and you get told it's all a lie just days before Christmas, that's going to be upsetting for them.

If you never believed them of course it's not going to be the same.

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:17

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:12

A child that is excited about Santa coming? Of course it would ruin it for them.

Yeah, but it’s not going to ruin Christmas is it? Seriously

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:16

@SleepyHippy3
It absolutely would taint that Christmas. It would cause upset.
It wouldn't be a happy memory would it?

However, I didn't say it would 'steal their childhood' or create Armageddon. That's a tad over dramatic.

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:12

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:11

To quote you;

”I was referring to people who think ruining child's Christmas is acceptable.
It's a horrible thing to do.”

Now, isn’t that a tad dramatic, saying that a child’s Christmas is ruined because they were told a fictional character is not real?. Hardly

A child that is excited about Santa coming? Of course it would ruin it for them.

SouthLondonMum22 · 15/12/2024 16:11

Nolegusta · 15/12/2024 15:45

Ad adult might think that not lying is being kind.

An adult knows exactly what telling a child just before Christmas would do and the child certainly wouldn’t consider it to be kind.

SleepyHippy3 · 15/12/2024 16:11

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/12/2024 16:06

So absolutely all of Christmas- the run up, the duration and the after math, will be completely ruined, wiped out, if a child is told that Santa doesn’t exist, and then and there their childhood has been stolen, because someone commented that this lie is not true? Yes, ideally maybe the teacher shouldn’t have said it, but she did and it’s going to be ok, Armageddon will not happen, and the child who found out the truth will be ok also.

Are you always so dramatic?

To quote you;

”I was referring to people who think ruining child's Christmas is acceptable.
It's a horrible thing to do.”

Now, isn’t that a tad dramatic, saying that a child’s Christmas is ruined because they were told a fictional character is not real?. Hardly