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Teacher telling 7yo that Father Christmas not real

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 11/12/2024 22:33

Is it reasonable for a RE teacher to tell 7 year olds that Father Christmas isn’t real?

My 7 year old DS has just told me that his RE teacher told the class Father Christmas “isn’t real” today. He isn’t one to over-exaggerate. I asked if any of the kids prompted it by asking and he said no, she just said it.

If you think it’s unreasonable, would you say anything to the school?

YABU - teachers are fine to say FC is not real at the age of 7

YANBU - let the kids / parents decide if FC is real. Just don’t say anything!

OP posts:
PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 07:32

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:21

It is ridiculous because so many posters on AIBU are soooo desperate just to disagree with the OP, just because they can even though they quite obviously aren’t unreasonable

Ok, you seem determined to denigrate anyone who disagrees with OP because you have deemed them 'argumentative ', rather than having an alternative opinion. If that makes you happy, then I feel sad for you.
But the point stands. 7 is too old to believe in santa, so if the teacher mentioned he didn't exist, i doubt she did it to disillusion anyone, just assumed that children would be in the know

DreamW3aver · 12/12/2024 07:31

InfoSecInTheCity · 12/12/2024 07:06

DD is 10, one of the younger ones in year 6 and still believes, her class is half and half, generally it's the ones with older siblings who don't believe.

How does it come about that you know the stats on who believes but the children who do believe think half the class are lying to them?

Probably haven't explained that every well but I don't quite get how a 10 year old in 2024 would be aware of the situation and not question it

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 12/12/2024 07:30

ttcat37 · 12/12/2024 07:24

Except this teacher did tell them that Santa isn’t real. I bet they didn’t tell them that God isn’t real. Teacher massively overstepped.

The teacher possibly said it about Santa, however op is being sensible and is going to ask before getting uppity. My only comment is that there is no irony as the teacher will have to follow the curriculum which refers to a range of beliefs.

CaptainMyCaptain · 12/12/2024 07:29

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 00:27

My mother has a picture of herself dressed as the Easter Bunny from the mid 60s. I was a child of the 80s and had the Easter Bunny visit.

Did you have the tooth fairy?

Edited

Yes but not the Easter bunny.

There was imagery of bunnies but not the belief the bunny brought the Easter eggs. Parents and maybe family bought the eggs and you had to wait agonising days before you could touch them. You could even choose them yourself in the shop.

napody · 12/12/2024 07:27

MyrtleStrumpet · 11/12/2024 22:46

As RE teachers are quite happy to declare that an old man in the sky is real, I'd be annoyed that the same teacher is saying that an old man delivering lots of presents isn't real.

Personally I would have brought up kids to know it's a thing but not to believe it, just go along with it to be polite.

RE teachers (unless in a very religious school) definitely do not teach that 'God is real'. The subject is very clearly about learning about different beliefs, and has been for a couple of decades now.

OP I'm very against parental micromanagement or complaining to school over small things. But I'd mention this. If the teacher has ever met a child before they should know this isn't OK! Are they very young/new and genuinely think most 7 year olds have stopped believing?

Some kids are very keen to find out one way or another though- I teach trainee teachers now and actually tell an anecdote about a child asking me "should I look in non fiction for books about santa claus, or fiction?" Teachers, like parents, should have their 'neutral' line ready!

OneBadKitty · 12/12/2024 07:26

Children are not taught that God is real in RE. They are taught that some people believe in God and others don't.

ttcat37 · 12/12/2024 07:24

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 12/12/2024 07:22

I didn't say anything about the Santa comment. Whether you believe different aspects of RE are fiction or non fiction, it isn't ironic. It is teaching what some people believe. Santa isn't a religion, so wouldn't be likely to come up in an RE class except from a child. Most teachers would probably just brush it off.

Except this teacher did tell them that Santa isn’t real. I bet they didn’t tell them that God isn’t real. Teacher massively overstepped.

buttonousmaximous · 12/12/2024 07:24

I've worked with children for 30 plus years 6 and under pretty much all believe. 7-9 around 80% . 9-10 around 50% and moat stop believing (or are told ) by 11.

redbusbeepbeep · 12/12/2024 07:23

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:21

It is ridiculous because so many posters on AIBU are soooo desperate just to disagree with the OP, just because they can even though they quite obviously aren’t unreasonable

Quite. It’s not the 7 year old finding out he’s not real, it’s the fact it’s not for the teacher to tell. Of course it’s not acceptable

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 12/12/2024 07:23

Why?
7 is quite old enough to know the truth

But it's not a teachers job to tell children the truth about Father Christmas.
Plus 7 is still young. I would have been a little upset if someone had told my DS at 7. Figuring out themselves or another child telling them is one thing, but an adult doing this? Seems mean to me.

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 12/12/2024 07:22

ttcat37 · 12/12/2024 07:07

So, not to teach about Santa then, only other fictional stories.

I didn't say anything about the Santa comment. Whether you believe different aspects of RE are fiction or non fiction, it isn't ironic. It is teaching what some people believe. Santa isn't a religion, so wouldn't be likely to come up in an RE class except from a child. Most teachers would probably just brush it off.

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:21

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 07:18

This is aibu
However, beeing told your opinion is ridiculous provokes a reaction
But, Merry Christmas (no f'ing this time!)

It is ridiculous because so many posters on AIBU are soooo desperate just to disagree with the OP, just because they can even though they quite obviously aren’t unreasonable

Nolegusta · 12/12/2024 07:18

Things that did not happen, part 296.
🤣

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 07:18

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:16

Bit of an over the top reaction. Same to you I guess Confused

This is aibu
However, beeing told your opinion is ridiculous provokes a reaction
But, Merry Christmas (no f'ing this time!)

redbusbeepbeep · 12/12/2024 07:18

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 06:36

Why?
7 is quite old enough to know the truth

So you would be happy for a teacher to tell your young child Father Christmas isn’t real just weeks before Christmas?

RedHelenB · 12/12/2024 07:16

DameKatyDenisesClagnuts · 11/12/2024 22:49

This

Not really. We know FC doesn't deliver presents to every child in the world, no one knows for certain that God(s) do or do not exist.

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:16

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 07:10

Oh how lovely you are
Merry fucking festive season to you and yours

Bit of an over the top reaction. Same to you I guess Confused

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 07:10

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:06

because it’s not her place? Do not realise how ridiculous you sound?

Oh how lovely you are
Merry fucking festive season to you and yours

Everydayimhuffling · 12/12/2024 07:08

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice did you read those articles? I couldn't read the Telegraph one, but I did read the other two. That wasn't what any of those studies said.

mids2019 · 12/12/2024 07:08

We have to ask the question though Wenger the want our 7 year olds thanking parents for their presents and coming up with ways to justify gifting for reason of time of the year alone. I think removal of Santa being capatilsim to the fore early on in a child's life with the realisation children from richer families get more then the poor to some extent.

Maybe we do need to think about gifting to children and when it is done? I don't know really.

To my mind without Santa the gifting at Christmas makes children obliged to feel grateful to parents for their largesse and I don't think I'd that is necessarily a good thing.

ttcat37 · 12/12/2024 07:07

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 12/12/2024 06:55

It isn't, as has already been explained. The job of anyone teaching the current RE curriculum is to teach the children about what some people around the world believe and what traditions and values are included with those beliefs.

So, not to teach about Santa then, only other fictional stories.

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:06

PoupeeGonflable · 12/12/2024 06:36

Why?
7 is quite old enough to know the truth

because it’s not her place? Do not realise how ridiculous you sound?

InfoSecInTheCity · 12/12/2024 07:06

DD is 10, one of the younger ones in year 6 and still believes, her class is half and half, generally it's the ones with older siblings who don't believe.

Pippinsdiary · 12/12/2024 07:04

x2boys · 11/12/2024 22:53

Lots do but this is mumsnet so you will get posters insisting their toddlers have worked it out and other posters insisting their child beleived untill they were 13

This made me laugh because my 3yo doesn’t believe in Santa or elf on the shelf Confused she’s quite confident they are both pretend no matter what we say

mids2019 · 12/12/2024 06:58

I'm also think that from an 'RE perspective Senta is not a part of the Christian relgion. There is obviously a historical/mythical root to Santa with Saint Nicholas but it actually a tenuous one. I don't think the RE teacher has a responsibility to consider Sanata as part of a belief system.

However if it is thought generally stating Santa does not exist to young primary children is going to cause upset both to children and parents maybe this has to be codified into policy.

Christmas is an important tradition in this country and I think we all have an obligation to respect it at some level even some of the more strange traditions!

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