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Would you get into trouble for this?

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ECJW98 · 11/12/2024 17:04

Something that happened at my sister’s work today… they found a car with 2 young children locked inside (aged around 4-5 years old), they checked the CCTV and they had been left there for approximately 4 hours at this point with no-one coming back to check on them.

They rang the police (as you do!) and around an hour later, they still hadn’t arrived as they said they was “very busy”. The children were hysterical at this point but no-one would step in and smash the windows to get them out because they were scared about getting into trouble and having charges pressed against them.

I mean, if that was me, I would have smashed the windows and faced the consequences later on but it got me thinking - based on these circumstances and the fact that 2 young children were at risk - would someone get into trouble if they did this to rescue them?

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Makingchocolatecake · 12/12/2024 09:00

I'd smash them. IF it ended up at court I don't see someone being convicted. A broken window over two lives?

I'm restraint trained (work with sen children) and we are always told a broken arm etc is better than a child getting run over or falling out of a window etc

OrwellianTimes · 12/12/2024 08:53

Yes I’d smash it after 4 hours. Poor kids must have been terrified

ilovesooty · 12/12/2024 08:47

SuperfluousHen · 11/12/2024 20:27

Maybe tell the police someone had tweeted hurty words? That might have got a quicker response 😡

Ridiculous.

MaybeALittle · 12/12/2024 08:44

Wiki suggests c.38 children die annually in the US from being left in cars, for instance — more likely to happen in hotter countries. The Tipperary case I mentioned happened on the hottest day of the year, but for obvious reasons fatalities from this are far less common in Ireland.

MaybeALittle · 12/12/2024 08:41

Teacherprebaby · 12/12/2024 08:21

Are you joking? "Forgot" their kids were in the car? Who the fuck does that for 4 hours!?

Hmmm where did I leave those very small people that can't protect themselves, who knows!?

People do it not infrequently. There have been lots of cases where a parent has forgotten to drop the child at childcare, and just gone into work on automatic pilot. As a pp said there was one where a 7-month old baby died of heatstroke in Tipperary in 2017, but there have also been others reported, and it’s not that rare. It’s a recognised phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_baby_syndrome

Forgotten baby syndrome - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_baby_syndrome

SirCharlesRainier · 12/12/2024 08:38

DrZaraCarmichael · 12/12/2024 08:13

It's quite possible the parent forgot they were in the car when they parked if they were very quiet

No it's not. It's not possible in the slightest.

It's more than possible, there are documented cases of it happening several times a year all around the world, including children dying from it. It's a known problem that lots of organisations try to develop safeguards against.

Teacherprebaby · 12/12/2024 08:21

HPandthelastwish · 11/12/2024 17:10

It's quite possible the parent forgot they were in the car when they parked if they were very quiet or had had a medical emergency themselves after 'popping' to the shop.

I can't imagine you'd get into any trouble, you could evidence the CCTV that they had been there along time. What I might have done is ring back on the non-emergency number and informed the person on the other end of what I was about to do as they would need to send an officer / social worker to collect the children.

Are you joking? "Forgot" their kids were in the car? Who the fuck does that for 4 hours!?

Hmmm where did I leave those very small people that can't protect themselves, who knows!?

DrZaraCarmichael · 12/12/2024 08:16

SnoopysHoose · 11/12/2024 18:22

Why did nobody tell the kids to open a door? Even if your car is locked it can be opened from inside.

Not always - I was with DH in his car, we stopped so he could pop into the local Co-Op, after a set period of time the car auto-locks all the doors even if there's someone inside. I moved, the alarm went off and I could not open the passenger door from the inside.

DrZaraCarmichael · 12/12/2024 08:13

It's quite possible the parent forgot they were in the car when they parked if they were very quiet

No it's not. It's not possible in the slightest.

Isxmasoveryet · 12/12/2024 08:11

HPandthelastwish · 11/12/2024 17:10

It's quite possible the parent forgot they were in the car when they parked if they were very quiet or had had a medical emergency themselves after 'popping' to the shop.

I can't imagine you'd get into any trouble, you could evidence the CCTV that they had been there along time. What I might have done is ring back on the non-emergency number and informed the person on the other end of what I was about to do as they would need to send an officer / social worker to collect the children.

Parent relelbered their phone id bet while forgetting the kids

Valeriekat · 12/12/2024 08:09

HPandthelastwish · 11/12/2024 18:35

@coldinbuxton well people do don't they, children fall asleep in the back, parent preoccupied with work or other life stresses in particularly likely if they are dealing with a big stress like grieving people become forgetful. I've never done it but it isn't a jump to think that someone might.

No, people don't forget!

CandyCane5 · 11/12/2024 23:53

I feel like people on the internet always say they would, but these people never happen to be at the scene at the time. We had a similar happen in my town, younger child less amount of time , in a supermarket carpark. No one smashed the window, they waited by it until the parent came back. Plastered pictures over FB of the car, plenty of comments saying if they were there they would have smashed the window, but in a busy supermarket, on a Saturday with a big crowd at this time, no one did.

BeSnappyOtter · 11/12/2024 23:40

Poor little things. Not remotely comparable but I once broke a window to get a dog out of a hot car and, while I had to do a lot of explaining and paperwork I didn't get in trouble.

MargaretThursday · 11/12/2024 22:59

I doubt you would get into trouble, but my concern would initially be that me breaking a window could scare them more than the police doing it, as I would be messy and uncontrolled as I don't know the best way.
However I wouldn't have waited an hour.

Kinneddar · 11/12/2024 22:54

Growlybear83 · 11/12/2024 20:34

I accept that emergencies can happen at any time, but who in their right mind would leave children of that age alone in a car for any time to start with?

I think I would have called the police back and said there was a strong smell of petrol coming from the car and I was worried about the possibility of a passer-by discarding a cigarette end.

What would be the point of that. If that was the case you'd phone the fire service. Making up that kind of story isn't going to get a faster police response

Kinneddar · 11/12/2024 22:52

mrandmrsrobinson · 11/12/2024 20:54

Write to the chief constable. That is disgraceful. You could have called the fire brigade.

Please do. If cops didn't attend that call then you can be 100% sure there genuinely were none available. Probably several crews sitting in a&e with MH patients.

I cant begin to tell you how often I get a call which urgently needs attendance and there's genuinely absolutely noone available.

The constant cut backs are what's responsible for the shocking drop in response cops. Its not that they don't care or cba it's that they're at breaking point with the calls they're expected to deal with

The powers that be don't care. So please do write to your MP or the Chief Constable or anyone else who might be able to do something

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 11/12/2024 21:03

I wouldn't give a toss about the damage to the car, but I'd be very worried about the children being injured in the process of the window being broken, so wouldn't do it unless they were at risk of dying from extreme temperatures. I'd obviously stay out and try to keep them calm, though.

mrandmrsrobinson · 11/12/2024 20:54

Write to the chief constable. That is disgraceful. You could have called the fire brigade.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 11/12/2024 20:54

If the police were too swamped to attend the scene wouldn't they still be able to quickly trace the car owner and make a call? It's most likely someone forgot to drop them off or had a medical emergency themselves. They could have been really nearby and someone would have arrived with keys in minutes. That would be the ideal solution.

HotelCustody · 11/12/2024 20:46

Just to add you wouldn’t have got in to trouble smashing the window to prevent harm.

HotelCustody · 11/12/2024 20:46

They probably didn’t have an officer to attend, sadly I’m not even joking or making an excuse, in our force we often have 3 officers left after hospital watch, high risk missing persons, arrests and custody watch, this is to cover hundreds of square miles inc one city and around 12 surrounding villages, one car accident where traffic control in needed and that’s it, no officers!

It’ll get worse, most forces have frozen recruitment because of Gov funding cuts so leaving/retiring officers won’t be replaced.

It’s quite frankly shit, unacceptable and people need to know how bad it is.

Many officers are parents and would be just as angry when if the call was put out over the radios, there is also a chance they didn’t even know if the dispatcher was already aware all officers were allocated it might not have even reached the response teams.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 11/12/2024 20:42

I would lose a lot of respect for anyone that stops to think deeply about themselves in an emergency situation. It sounds like something went very wrong that day

Growlybear83 · 11/12/2024 20:34

HPandthelastwish · 11/12/2024 17:10

It's quite possible the parent forgot they were in the car when they parked if they were very quiet or had had a medical emergency themselves after 'popping' to the shop.

I can't imagine you'd get into any trouble, you could evidence the CCTV that they had been there along time. What I might have done is ring back on the non-emergency number and informed the person on the other end of what I was about to do as they would need to send an officer / social worker to collect the children.

I accept that emergencies can happen at any time, but who in their right mind would leave children of that age alone in a car for any time to start with?

I think I would have called the police back and said there was a strong smell of petrol coming from the car and I was worried about the possibility of a passer-by discarding a cigarette end.

Needmorelego · 11/12/2024 20:32

I would have smashed the window or shouted "does anyone know how the locks work on this car" (I know nothing about cars) incase someone knows a trick to open the doors.
I would have called the fire brigade first rather than the police or maybe a local mechanic who might have been able to dash down and get the kids out.
Poor kids.