Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

Excellent news! I just have to add to those who hate the ruling for personal reasons, is there really no way you could conceive that maybe these drugs for children are inappropriate due to their age and inability to consent?

Really great to hear. Let's hope we invest more money in supporting these children and their families with psychological and behavioural support, especially as so many are on the spectrum.

She is 100% progressive left and has been amply rewarded for it in positive attention. I suspect she's not the sharpest tool in the box either.

I like her as an actress, but we need to separate the enjoyment of peoples talents from placing value on their opinions.

I’m disappointed to see Nicola Coughlan shared a story which condemns the new ruling. I used to like her….

@ButterflyHatched I have a negative attitude to any person who comes on a thread and just outright lies to people.

Information from the Republic of Ireland related to Wes Streeting's announcement:

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unknown-effects-should-ireland-adopt-the-uks-puberty-blockers-ban-2116763

Excerpts from the article:

"On Newstalk Breakfast, National Gender Service consultant psychiatrist Dr Paul Moran said this has been “coming for a while” and “stems from research in Europe and in Britain”.

...Dr Moran said there was a “small trial” completed in Holland with “inconclusive” results, but it was “not a randomised control trial”.

“When you want to see if a treatment works or what harms, you have to compare a group of patients who get the treatment with a group who don't - in this case, that didn't happen,” he said.

“So, we don't know yet what their true effect of this treatment is.
“When [gender dysphoria treatment] was widespread throughout the world, what was noticed that the effect of this was not what was hoped for, both in terms of relieving the children of distress about their bodies or improving the mental health.”

Dr Moran said “concerns” have arisen around the “effects of stopping puberty”.
“We know that the that the hormones that involved in puberty, such as testosterone and oestrogen aren't just sex hormones,” he said.
“They're sex and bone and brain hormones, and they're essential for the development of the body and the brain.”

“When you stop that happening, there are unknown effects,” Dr Moran said.
“We do know that, for example, in the children who received these blockers for long periods, it stopped the development of their bones - many of them were much, much shorter than they should have been, and many of them developed bone problems and fractures.

“We also know that there's some evidence that the brains did not develop as they should have.”

Puberty is “really important in the process of growing from being a child and adult” Dr Moran said.

“Across Europe and in Britain, the Governments have said this is an unknown treatment and we have to do some proper research before we can decide if it's safe or not,” he said.

Dr Moran said he believes Ireland should follow the UK’s lead and The Cass Report, created by Dr Hilary Cass.

...Dr Moran said that if children are having problems with gender, “they need a far more comprehensive assessment than just being put straight on to treatments that stop them developing their bodies”.

“I think that what we need to do is develop a holistic, multi-disciplinary approach to the care of these children,” he said.

“What we know is that the children who are presenting are far more complex than is presented in the media.

“A lot of them have difficulty socialising, functioning mental health problems, and what they need is a proper multi-disciplinary service to look at their whole needs and not just focus in on their gender dysphoria.”

Dr Moran said he has received no response from the Health Service Executive about concerns he communicated in regards to the treatment for children with gender dysphoria in Ireland.

So much self absorbed waffle, so few links to studies... have you managed to find one or two of the many compelling studies for puberty blockers yet @ButterflyHatched?

Genuinely think next PM.

I've gone from hugely disliking him due to Madigan's Stasiesque Labour Against Transphobia Facebook group that Wes joined in 2018, to being hugely impressed with his steadfastness and how he's handled this specific issue. I still don't entirely trust him, but I think he's seen the writing on the wall re genderism and he's ambitious for the top job, and a good candidate for it.

Me me me me me myself I I I I me me me me myself I.

That sounds awfully like a negative attitude toward trans people or transness in general.

That's nice dear.

I can't wait to see what you're going to accuse me of lying about next. I have a good chortle each time I see a new 'you must be lying' comment. It long ago reached cartoonish levels of hostility - genuinely hilarious to see the desperate contortions whenever an inconvenient detail about my life is reflexively denounced as a lie. My favourite one was how literally years of assertions that I couldn't possibly have successfully lived my entire adult life so far while being accepted in society as a woman immediately dissolved the moment I mentioned I had dared to have sex, at which point suddenly it was taken on faith because it meant I could be called an evil deceiver instead. I was a vulnerable brainwashed gay boy until I spontaneously metamorphosised into a heterosexual male fetishistic predator, you see.

I find it a source of great amusement to see how the story keeps getting twisted to fit whatever particular mode of demonisation best fits at the time. It's impossible to successfully be stealth and pass as a woman until you have sex at which point you're an evil manipulative shapeshifting predator. If you are healthy and fit then you're a smug and non-representative outlier who is leading others down a path of ruin, but if you have any medical conditions then they are damning evidence of the devastating irreversible evil of puberty blockers. Which you can't have possibly been subscribed, but which you had to have taken so that they can be blamed.

I'm so sorry that my existence is such a vexatious source of frustration to you. I really love it when you keep denying that anything I say could possibly happen. It only serves to make you come across as a screaming toddler who wails that they've only had one bedtime story despite this being the third.

Thank god, I honestly thought Streeting was your usual just fly with the common opinion type, but he’s actually put in practical measures to stop this lunacy.

So glad to hear this. Common sense has prevailed at last.

Oh I’m perfectly aware that Butterfly is being entirely dishonest in their account. I just felt it was pertinent to post the facts of the matter here so that it was obvious to others too.

Butterfly's got form for... umm...describing having experienced an unusual treatment pathway. Butterfly claims to be both be trans and have a DSD, as well as having had treatment which wasn't being used at the time Butterfly says Butterfly had it. Very unusual. Still I think Butterfly's posts are Illuminating in their own way.

In his speech in parliament Wes Streeting said it was a criminal offence to be in possession of puberty blockers without a lawful prescription but nothing was said about removing a child from the UK to have treatment

If this happens a lot I think ultimately it will need to be made a criminal offence to source "treatment" for your child from abroad which isn't legal in the UK.

Clearly this is a good thing, though the noisy pressure groups will doubtless go berserk, but just one question ... what's to stop them flogging their drugs online, and probably from overseas?

Have you found any studies you'd like to share with us @ButterflyHatched ?