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Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

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MrBungle · 11/12/2024 14:05

A great day for child safeguarding, this is evidence, reason and medical expertise over pressure groups.

https://archive.ph/mWufj

A terrible shame for those children that this is too late for, who have been permanently harmed by ideologues and will never be able to have their body back the way it should have grown.

"Puberty blockers for under-18s banned after warning of ‘unacceptable risk’ to children
Existing emergency measures in UK outlawing sale and supply to be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts"

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ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 12:52

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 11:15

I'm guessing you've taken puberty blockers? Are you still being regularly monitored by medical professionals? Sorry if you've answered that and I missed it.

I did yes. I was transferred to and then discharged from the adult GIC a long, long time ago. I have periodic checkups but I've been on CSH for over 20 years.

ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 12:52

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

  1. 'The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
  2. The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
  3. The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.
  4. There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.
  5. We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people.'

Review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust: independent report

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 12:30

the National Child Mortality Database collects data on all children in England who die before their 18th birthday with a local Child Death Overview Panel reviewing all cases.

Thank you so much for this @MrsOvertonsWindow I had no idea that such an organisation even existed. There's a wealth of information and data on that site. I wondered how these deaths could be going unreported? To say it is reassuring that they're not would be an understatement.

The risk of suicide is a different matter, how would you measure that, but it doesn't apply exclusively to gender questioning young people.

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 12:27

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:50

An impressive feat - managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth, promote a transphobic conspiracy theory and trivialise the suffering of the families of children affected by this cruel ban in such a succinct little block of words.

I remain, as many of us do, inconveniently bisexual by the way.

You mean the proven very vanishingly slim risks of suicide? The fact that trans ideology is a deeply homophobic agenda is not a 'conspiracy theory'. You trivialise the suffering of families of children affected by these very dangerous drugs that destroy their bodies and lives so cruelly. Your gaslighting would be amusing if children weren't being cruelly destroyed by this very dangerous ideology that destroys their healthy bodies.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/12/2024 11:57

GoBackToTheStart · 16/12/2024 10:57

It seems it's time for the analysis of the "suicide stats" claims again...

www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

Thank you. I was very pleased to hear Wes Streeting talking eloquently about these fake claims and how they breach the Samaritan's guidelines on reporting on suicide. He reminded an MP who claimed that these alleged child deaths were going unreported, that in this country the National Child Mortality Database collects data on all children in England who die before their 18th birthday with a local Child Death Overview Panel reviewing all cases.

As he pointed out, we know about all child deaths and there's no evidence to support these irresponsible claims. Sadly it doesn't stop profoundly ignorant adults (including MPs who should know better) in making claims like this for their own purposes.

ApriCat · 16/12/2024 11:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/12/2024 11:48

Stop weaponising child suicide to support your ideology. It's completely irresponsible.

There is no credible evidence to support this claim whatsoever.

There was a suicide of a young person in our area post-transition (not someone I knew personally, but overlapping child social circles). I remain very unconvinced that transition treatment does anything other than deflect precarious mental health into other obsessions.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/12/2024 11:48

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:50

An impressive feat - managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth, promote a transphobic conspiracy theory and trivialise the suffering of the families of children affected by this cruel ban in such a succinct little block of words.

I remain, as many of us do, inconveniently bisexual by the way.

Stop weaponising child suicide to support your ideology. It's completely irresponsible.

There is no credible evidence to support this claim whatsoever.

Balloonhearts · 16/12/2024 11:29

My 6 year old told me that she wished she had been born a husky so she could stay in the snow all day and not get cold. She still loves the snow even now and wishes she could spend all day building a snow city. Doesn't mean I should get her a parvo jab and start feeding her tins of Pal.

niadainud · 16/12/2024 11:23

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 14:33

This is what happens when real history is rewritten by axe-grinding transphobes keen to erase the truth and then fed to hack journalists desperate to manufacture an outrage bait story.

GIDS was making referrals for GnRH agonist treatment for gender incongruent youth long, long before 2011. Many of us went through that system long before WPUK and JK Rowling started the bandwagon of making attacking our treatment your entire personality.

You do not know our story. Frankly, that is a mercy in many ways. The clinicians in both GIDS and adult services had the foresight to protect us.

In my experience it's trans activists who making being trans their entire personality.

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 11:15

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

I'm guessing you've taken puberty blockers? Are you still being regularly monitored by medical professionals? Sorry if you've answered that and I missed it.

TheKeatingFive · 16/12/2024 11:00

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 10:55

I'm glad you challenged this, I thought the suicide claim had been debunked ages ago?

It just seems like an attempt to scare and guilt trip parents and carers.

That's exactly what it is. An appalling attempt at manipulation.

GoBackToTheStart · 16/12/2024 10:57

It seems it's time for the analysis of the "suicide stats" claims again...

www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 10:55

TheKeatingFive · 16/12/2024 10:51

managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth

This has been debunked time and time again. It is dangerous misinformation. Why do you keep spreading it?

I'm glad you challenged this, I thought the suicide claim had been debunked ages ago?

It just seems like an attempt to scare and guilt trip parents and carers.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/12/2024 10:55

Because the fake narrative can be pushed, and hopefully enough people will see it and think it's true.

Did you manage to find any of those studies about the safety and efficacy of puberty blockers yet @ButterflyHatched? I thought there were lots, didn't realise it was going to be so onerous for you!

TheKeatingFive · 16/12/2024 10:51

managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth

This has been debunked time and time again. It is dangerous misinformation. Why do you keep spreading it?

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:50

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 01:57

As a gay activist said on Twitter: "No child ever died from a chronic case of unblocked puberty

They just grew up gay That of course, is worse than death to the purveyors of anti-gay chemical weapons who weep false tears in parliament at the prospect of having a camp son or butch daughter

That's their real fear."

An impressive feat - managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth, promote a transphobic conspiracy theory and trivialise the suffering of the families of children affected by this cruel ban in such a succinct little block of words.

I remain, as many of us do, inconveniently bisexual by the way.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/12/2024 10:42

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

The issue isn't that you've "known since you were 6".

6 year olds believe in fairies and Santa.

The issue is that no one told 6 year old you that you cannot and will not ever be a girl or a woman.

I feel sorry for you because you obviously want to cling to the belief that this was appropriate and necessary "treatment" for you and that you would have been much worse off without it, but statistically it's far more likely that you'd have grown out of it and had a normal adult life.

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:41

ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 07:43

Ah, come on now. If a six year old is really really convinced they ought to have been born the opposite sex, them why not feed them hormones? What could possibly go wrong?!

Utter, utter madness.

I don't believe anyone is arguing for that?

ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 07:43

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 00:45

No one has any understanding of what gender and sex even is at age 6. Just more proof this is all about stereotypes. And no one child or teen should be put on dangerous and irreversible drugs for a physical condition for what is a psychological condition.

Ah, come on now. If a six year old is really really convinced they ought to have been born the opposite sex, them why not feed them hormones? What could possibly go wrong?!

Utter, utter madness.

nothingcomestonothing · 16/12/2024 07:37

the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

Your sex is irreversible, whatever drugs you do or don't get. And puberty is indeed time critical, for the changes being wrought in brains and bones - both are being formed during puberty in ways which cannot be remedied later.

Sex change is a lie, it is not possible for humans to change sex, and medicine should not be used to reinforce lies told to children and adolescents.

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 01:57

As a gay activist said on Twitter: "No child ever died from a chronic case of unblocked puberty

They just grew up gay That of course, is worse than death to the purveyors of anti-gay chemical weapons who weep false tears in parliament at the prospect of having a camp son or butch daughter

That's their real fear."

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 00:45

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

No one has any understanding of what gender and sex even is at age 6. Just more proof this is all about stereotypes. And no one child or teen should be put on dangerous and irreversible drugs for a physical condition for what is a psychological condition.

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

Xtraincome · 15/12/2024 00:34

@JLou08 I absolutely appreciate that some will go on to transition later in life, but never ever should a child be subject to hormone blockers IMO. That is a decision for adults after years of mental health support and psychiatric evaluation.

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

Xtraincome · 15/12/2024 00:34

@JLou08 I absolutely appreciate that some will go on to transition later in life, but never ever should a child be subject to hormone blockers IMO. That is a decision for adults after years of mental health support and psychiatric evaluation.

JLou08 · 14/12/2024 23:12

Xtraincome · 14/12/2024 22:47

Excellent news! I just have to add to those who hate the ruling for personal reasons, is there really no way you could conceive that maybe these drugs for children are inappropriate due to their age and inability to consent?

Really great to hear. Let's hope we invest more money in supporting these children and their families with psychological and behavioural support, especially as so many are on the spectrum.

I'm sure many of them could if there was some acceptance that some people are better off after transitioning and we accept trans people. Some of the comments on this thread and other threads are full of hate for trans people and it just leads to people being in fight mode.