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Ohnonotmeagain · 2024-12-11T13:56:43+00:00

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18. her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home. his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there. he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison. aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:13

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:03

Still not seeing it as a property, can certainly see it as minor daughter part of a family under parental responsibility - Child Act (UK)

Perhaps clarify with OP if you think there is some aspect of “ownership” of a minor implied.

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I don’t see her as their property either.

I was questioning if the other commentator does because that is the only way it makes sense to view a girl’s choice as to whom she dates as “disrespectful to her family”.

Why do you keep mentioning OP?

OP has nothing to do with my question. It was a question for a commentator but for some reason you decided to butt in telling me to “clarify with that commentator”.

Yes. That’s why I asked!

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:11

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:08

Did I say any of that?

Link us to the public court documents & transcripts? I think you will find they are not public.

We are only being given “info” from MK parents selling their story to tabloids.

UK public do not know anything but MF parents version of events.

I did read in tabloids that they had sex in a car … in a public place. It’s in texts & cctv according to tabloids. That’s also breaking the law. Is that legal in UK?

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The sentence and the conviction have been made public. Nowhere in not one form of reporting on this had there been any claim of sexual assault. Every piece of reporting on the story says it was consensual and the two teens were making plans to continue seeing each other in London.

Literally this just a case of him falling the wrong side of the 18 year mark and the two months that separates him from his would be girlfriend.

His parents have not sold any stories to the tabloids please stop lying. We have information shared from Dubai authorities, lawyers and the group representing eying him “banged up abroad”.

nogginatemycat · 31/12/2024 17:09

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:03

Still not seeing it as a property, can certainly see it as minor daughter part of a family under parental responsibility - Child Act (UK)

Perhaps clarify with OP if you think there is some aspect of “ownership” of a minor implied.

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Agree @JHound is obsessed with the word property. It`s almost as though it popped into their head and cannot let it go. JHound is the only poster to keep using this phrase, how strange.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:08

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:03

The jail term is not for rape or sexual assault. It is for having a consensual sexual relationship with somebody under the age of consent.

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Did I say any of that?

Link us to the public court documents & transcripts? I think you will find they are not public.

We are only being given “info” from MK parents selling their story to tabloids.

UK public do not know anything but MF parents version of events.

I did read in tabloids that they had sex in a car … in a public place. It’s in texts & cctv according to tabloids. That’s also breaking the law. Is that legal in UK?

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:05

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:03

Still not seeing it as a property, can certainly see it as minor daughter part of a family under parental responsibility - Child Act (UK)

Perhaps clarify with OP if you think there is some aspect of “ownership” of a minor implied.

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Why would I clarify it with OP.
OP is not the one who said he and his family disrespected her family by him entering into a consensual relationship with her.

The poster I responded to said a consensual relationship between teens is disrespectful to her family.
That only makes sense if you view her as property of her family instead of by all accounts, a willing, consenting enthusiastic party to the relationship. So much so they were making plans to continue dating each other on the UK.

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:03

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 15:56

Please link to court transcripts if you think they are public ….
i think you will find that they are not.

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The jail term is not for rape or sexual assault. It is for having a consensual sexual relationship with somebody under the age of consent.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 17:03

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:53

No not “disrespecting a girl” - “disrespecting her family”.

How is a girl and boy making a mutual decision to date each other “disrespectful to her family” unless you view her as their property.

Have think.

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Still not seeing it as a property, can certainly see it as minor daughter part of a family under parental responsibility - Child Act (UK)

Perhaps clarify with OP if you think there is some aspect of “ownership” of a minor implied.

JHound · 31/12/2024 17:02

nogginatemycat · 31/12/2024 16:58

Oh god are you still banging on to posters about property your obsessed and he is guilty of being a sexual predator.

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I am responding to somebody who asked a question. There is no need to comment.

I think you are another one just here to be on a wind up as nobody is referring to two teens in a consensual relationship as “sexually predatory”.

Come on now.

Another one to block!

nogginatemycat · 31/12/2024 16:58

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:53

No not “disrespecting a girl” - “disrespecting her family”.

How is a girl and boy making a mutual decision to date each other “disrespectful to her family” unless you view her as their property.

Have think.

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Oh god are you still banging on to posters about property your obsessed and he is guilty of being a sexual predator.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:54

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:52

The adult (MF) needed to know.

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He’s a teen. Two months older than his holiday romance.

If you think the average teenager researches the age of consent before embarking on a family holiday….well….

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:53

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:51

So, disrespecting a 17 year old girl -> she’s property of her parents?

Don’t understand your logic.

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No not “disrespecting a girl” - “disrespecting her family”.

How is a girl and boy making a mutual decision to date each other “disrespectful to her family” unless you view her as their property.

Have think.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:52

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:47

It generally doesn’t spell out age of consent laws.

And if it did I would expect seasoned travellers to consult that, not a pair of teens.

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The adult (MF) needed to know.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:52

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:49

Your question was “why are you calling her a minor child”?

Because … legally, chronologically, factually if she was under 18, she was a minor child. Why is that confusing or unacceptable? I called her a minor, because she was.

We don’t know the other side of the story. The victim in this crime has privacy, and they have chosen not to share their story. I’ll not make assumptions about her, or her mother. Girl was a minor, at the time of the crime.

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But she wasn’t in the context that the comment was framed. Please read the thread in the context.

What possible concerns are there over two teens embarking on a relationship with a mere couple of months between them in age?

A relationship which was perfectly legal in their country of residence. To try to make out that he is a predatory adult and she was some young minor is silly. They were the same school year.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:51

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:43

I am responding to the commentator. Maybe follow the thread.

She claims two teens embarking on a relationship is “disrespectful to the girl’s family”.

I asked how so unless you view the girl as the property of her family.

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So, disrespecting a 17 year old girl -> she’s property of her parents?

Don’t understand your logic.

Goldenbear · 31/12/2024 16:51

skymagentatwo · 31/12/2024 14:38

Care to quote exactly where I said London was no longer considered a British city?

Please enlighten me, let’s see how cleaver you are without making up lies.

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I'm still waiting for you to reference my lies 🤣

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:49

fairydustt · 31/12/2024 14:25

There is no point responding to this skymangentatwo person, they’re being purposefully obtuse and clearly out for a wind up

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Which is why it surprises me MN does not have a block button to hide people who are clearly out to troll.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:49

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:42

That doesn’t answer my question.

What concerns would the mother possibly have about a relationship that was perfectly legal where she was between two persons of almost identical ages. She was barely a “minor child” in comparison to him.

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Your question was “why are you calling her a minor child”?

Because … legally, chronologically, factually if she was under 18, she was a minor child. Why is that confusing or unacceptable? I called her a minor, because she was.

We don’t know the other side of the story. The victim in this crime has privacy, and they have chosen not to share their story. I’ll not make assumptions about her, or her mother. Girl was a minor, at the time of the crime.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:47

NewGreenDuck · 31/12/2024 14:28

A quick check on the GOV.UK website is very informative. I would expect that.

It generally doesn’t spell out age of consent laws.

And if it did I would expect seasoned travellers to consult that, not a pair of teens.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:46

adviceneeded1990 · 31/12/2024 14:29

People saying this 18 year old boy on holiday with his family should have looked up the laws on the age of consent need to remember their own youth I think! We did girls holidays to Benidorm, Malia and Ayia Napa and I couldn’t tell you the Spanish or Greek age of consent without googling it! This boy isn’t a rapist or a danger to women FFS he’s a daft teenage boy who had unadvisable sex with a teenage girl of similar age! A year in jail is very disproportionate.

Neither.

I just looked up the age of consent in Cyprus - my first ever holiday with other teen friends and it is 17. Thank goodness!

(But three year close in age exemption which makes sense).

So over 20 years after I first went I now know!

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:43

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:00

You are mis-representing the law in respect to MF …. Just look it up, nothing about property.

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I am responding to the commentator. Maybe follow the thread.

She claims two teens embarking on a relationship is “disrespectful to the girl’s family”.

I asked how so unless you view the girl as the property of her family.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:42

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 15:53

This is why:
Introduction. The Family Law Reform Act, which came into force on 1 January 1970, defines a child as a person who has not yet reached the age of 18 years. In addition the British Nationality Act 1981 contains, for its own purposes, a definition of a minor as 'a person who has not attained the age of 18 years'.

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That doesn’t answer my question.

What concerns would the mother possibly have about a relationship that was perfectly legal where she was between two persons of almost identical ages. She was barely a “minor child” in comparison to him.

JHound · 31/12/2024 16:41

OonaStubbs · 31/12/2024 14:31

I don't want him jailed.
But I don't have a problem with other countries jailing people from other countries for breaking their laws, even if those offences wouldn't be crimes in the UK. It is up to the people visiting the countries to be aware of local laws. Ignorance of the law can never be used an excuse.

And a year in prison isn't the end of the world. Whatever he was planning to do this year, Uni, or whatever, he can do a year later.

A year in prions may not be the end of the world depending on the prison.

The aftermath of having a criminal record can be the end of the world however or at least make life extremely more difficult.

Goldenbear · 31/12/2024 16:17

skymagentatwo · 31/12/2024 14:38

Care to quote exactly where I said London was no longer considered a British city?

Please enlighten me, let’s see how cleaver you are without making up lies.

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Oh, at 13.42 you posted this:

skymagentatwo · Today 13:42
So, what, are you suggesting that people convicted of crimes in other countries are quashed or do not stand if they come back to or visit the uk.
Also, this is a London based forums not a British forum, that uses web server hosting providers DSC Limited, Amazon Web Services, Google Cloud Platform many of which are not based in the UK for back-end storage.

WaitingforStrike · 31/12/2024 16:10

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 13:39

Still- we only know what his family reports.

British High Commission hadn’t clarified their role and if they acted without knowing full facts. Like, are they the ones who introduced nationality as Pakistan … because they didn’t have correct info. Because nature of the crime, public will likely never know.

Girl family version of events - we don’t know what mother of minor child understood to have happened and the content of the phone messages. Possible that it was very inflammatory & upsetting. Not all hugs and kisses. There have been reports … but they are from MF family. Everything has been “poor little boy, & consent”. Girl on birth control (so this means consent? Perhaps it’s for medical reasons. Maybe she needed “morning after pill” which tells as mother story) Public have no idea if this is even true.

IMO - there is more to know than poor little boy, consent, days from birthday, already sexually active, bad mum.

The facts … lead to his conviction & incarceration. Selling your story to tabloids won’t get you set free.

Message to the world - Don’t mess about in Dubai.

No I think the message to the world is don't go to Dubai.

Slooodie359 · 31/12/2024 16:09

JHound · 31/12/2024 14:27

I did not say teens were not tech savvy.

I said nobody, let alone teens, looks up age of consent laws before they travel.

They especially don’t research if it is illegal for them to date their similar aged peer.

If you think most people do, I don’t know what to say.

How many of the countries you have visited over the years did you research their laws on age of consent before travelling?

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The gov.un website has travel advice which I always check travelling to unfamiliar country …. Do I need a visa, are there safety issues, scams. Do I need to cover up. Alcohol & drugs policy.

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Oh, says 18 year old … when visiting America - I can consume alcohol in UK so sure u can in USA too!
American 18 year old, I spoke weed all day in the street in Brooklyn so of course can in Hackney!
Im sure the 18 year olds know the problem listed above w alcohol & weed … why are consent rules any different.