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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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fairycakes1234 · 11/12/2024 11:19

Rowen32 · 10/12/2024 21:45

Not what you're asking but I totally disagree a lot of Irish people are still pro IRA

Unfortunately she's right, still a lot of support, especially the older generation. Also I wouldn't have her near your house, it won't end well

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 11:18

AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 11:04

There is a huge difference in people supporting what the original IRA did in gaining independence for Ireland and supporting the IRA today. Today the IRA is a terrorist organisation. The OP said that many Irish people are STILL pro IRA.

But what IRA is she talking about, because let's face it without the old IRA we would still be under Brirish rule so I'd imagine the huge majority of Irish people would still support their cause, not the terrorist organisation obviously, I'm Irish and the OP is incorrect in saying that 'many' Irish people support them

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:16

Churches of every domination across Ireland are adorned with the Star of David

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:14

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 11:11

I’m sorry for his troubles.

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:12

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 11:09

@JaneJeffer

Please read the Scottish poster's above post.
Her small child has been violently attacked in school for being Jewish.

And that's in Scotland, which is not anywhere as anti - Jew as Ireland.

I don't recognise your depiction of Ireland.

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 11:11

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:06

Ah would you stop. Suicide? Are you saying someone would murder you? Please.

A young American man got beaten up in Dublin a couple of weeks ago for wearing one.

www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/11/30/jewish-student-attacked-in-dublin-nightclub-in-suspected-hate-crime-amid-fears-of-rising-anti-semitism/

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Daradarina · 11/12/2024 11:10

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 11:09

@JaneJeffer

Please read the Scottish poster's above post.
Her small child has been violently attacked in school for being Jewish.

And that's in Scotland, which is not anywhere as anti - Jew as Ireland.

Ireland is not anti-Jew.

Rowen32 · 11/12/2024 11:10

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:06

Ah would you stop. Suicide? Are you saying someone would murder you? Please.

Honestly OP, I would be really interested to meet a Jewish person as I haven't before (to my knowledge) and would love to know more about it..there are good people out there who love meeting new people and learning new things and would b3 curious about it all. Maybe if you opened up you'd meet some of those. You obviously don't feel safe enough to but it doesn't meet there aren't people out there who you embrace your Jewishness

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 11:09

@JaneJeffer

Please read the Scottish poster's above post.
Her small child has been violently attacked in school for being Jewish.

And that's in Scotland, which is not anywhere as anti - Jew as Ireland.

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 11:09

@ACatNamedRobin
You said you and your friends are of the opinion that ‘Israel has no choice’ in the current situation.

The majority of Irish people do disagree with you there.
If you think that people condemning Israel for its continued attack of Gaza is anti-Jewish or pro-Hamas then that would go a long way towards explaining your misconceptions around Irish people’s opinions.

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 11:06

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 11:02

Here's a little social experiment ye can all try then determine for yourself how people feel about things in your area. Doesn't matter where you live. Try it in any large town or city.

1: Buy a star of David necklace, prominent enough to be seen.

2: Then walk around for the day wearing it in town.

3: Just kidding that would be suicide at the moment. Just think about how unsafe you felt considering the idea above.

That's why I don't tell people I'm Jewish.

Ah would you stop. Suicide? Are you saying someone would murder you? Please.

AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 11:04

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 10:58

100% correct

There is a huge difference in people supporting what the original IRA did in gaining independence for Ireland and supporting the IRA today. Today the IRA is a terrorist organisation. The OP said that many Irish people are STILL pro IRA.

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 11/12/2024 11:03

Username2532 · 11/12/2024 02:17

It is breeding hate and condescending to say if someone hasn’t ‘lived it don’t see’ can’t comprehend, have you lived it? Or indeed op
@Lavender14 it’s quite clear you have the same views as @Allinarow48 who believes ‘most’ Irish people support the IRA, or as you said a lot, that is not a true representation, which is only what many have conveyed on this thread.

I haven’t lived the situation in Gaza
I have lived it in Ireland I was born in the 60s in Derry. As my previous post

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 11:02

Here's a little social experiment ye can all try then determine for yourself how people feel about things in your area. Doesn't matter where you live. Try it in any large town or city.

1: Buy a star of David necklace, prominent enough to be seen.

2: Then walk around for the day wearing it in town.

3: Just kidding that would be suicide at the moment. Just think about how unsafe you felt considering the idea above.

That's why I don't tell people I'm Jewish.

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Liv999 · 11/12/2024 10:58

Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 09:10

Like it or not we wouldn't have a Republic if it wasn't for the old IRA so yes most of the country are proud that they stood up to a big nation and fought for their land and rights. Michael Collins is a hero in West Cork. He was part of the IRA.

100% correct

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 10:54

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 10:49

@Daradarina

You say "I find it very upsetting that you are persisting in misrepresenting Irish people as a group."

There seems to be a general huge amount of upset at what's seen as the above ("misrepresenting Irish people as a group ").

And barely any at the vile anti Jewish views, pro Hamas views quoted both on this thread and often heard in Ireland.

I'm not sure why the specific Irish people complaining think the former is even in the same league as the latter??

Well I’ve already described OP’s friend’s views as horrendous and advised OP to distance herself?

Personally I haven’t heard vile anti Jewish, pro Hamas views in Ireland. Not from anyone I know. At all. I think I’ve been quite clear that that is not the view of the vast majority here.

Tomatina · 11/12/2024 10:50

If anyone I knew used the word "beautiful" to describe the atrocity perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 last year, I would not be speaking to them again, let alone having them in my house.

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 10:49

@Daradarina

You say "I find it very upsetting that you are persisting in misrepresenting Irish people as a group."

There seems to be a general huge amount of upset at what's seen as the above ("misrepresenting Irish people as a group ").

And barely any at the vile anti Jewish views, pro Hamas views quoted both on this thread and often heard in Ireland.

I'm not sure why the specific Irish people complaining think the former is even in the same league as the latter??

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 10:44

@ACatNamedRobin
It is unthinkable.

As a pp said, perhaps you have been exceptionally unlucky in the Irish people you have met then?

I didn’t think you were describing hearsay.

I still think it’s likely this is at least partly due to cultural misunderstanding, possible language issues on the part of some of your friends.

Because I know the majority do not think like this.
I find it very upsetting that you are persisting in misrepresenting Irish people as a group.

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 10:37

AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 09:15

As an Irish person living in Ireland for over 40 years I have NEVER met anybody who has openly stated that they are anti Jewish or pro Hamas.

Yes, there is lots of sympathy for Palestine and yes people are against what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza. But people are not anti Jewish or pro Hamas. Violence on every side is condemned.

To state that many Irish people support terrorist organisations such as the IRA and Hamas is untrue.

Exactly.

Some people on this thread seem to live in an alternate universe.

Imbusytodaysorry · 11/12/2024 10:29

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:51

You are absolutely correct. Thank you.

I think I’d address it too .
Id say the same as was suggested above.

OP you have to realise this is who she is now.
Can you go for lunch and talk to her about her mental health her views . Have it out so to speak see if she maybe needs help and guidance in a different direction .

Has the lack of sleep brought on intrusive thoughts?
Or is she simply reading to much and went down a Rabbit hole.

You have to decide do you want one attempt at helping her or is she too far gone ?
It’s not your responsibility but maybe it’s who you are that you want to help

I think if it was me I would have commented on the post and said who even are you ? Then seen how that went but that chance has passed by.

I wouldn’t have her on my home though .
Do t put yourself in a vulnerable position .

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 10:23

Why do people think she wanted to meet at my home? Of course I wasnt going to expose my kids or partner to thart bullshit. And for what it's worth I'm not meeting with her myself either.

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Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 10:20

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 11/12/2024 06:41

Why are you anti Israel? Where should the Jews have gone after the holocaust? Why don’t Jews deserve their homeland that their ancestors lived in centuries ago?

If you’re anti Israel, are you hoping your Israeli family are kicked out soon?

Not anti-zionism. Anti the current regime and their terrible handling of the situation.

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ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 10:20

@Daradarina
I'm talking about my friends' and my interactions with Irish people.
Not hearsay.

As I said the Ukrainian girls find the dichotomy really upsetting - that the same Irish people who are nice to them have such vile views about the Jews.

None of us thought that we came from particularly forward thinking countries.

But the antisemitism that we have seen from Irish people - as if finally joyfully released with the October 7 massacre - we'd have thought it unthinkable these days.

AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 10:17

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 09:55

@the7Vabo @Rowen32 @Daradarina and all...

""Daradarina · Today 08:40

"The social pressure to be anti Jews, pro[] Hamas, and so forth is immense. Disagreeing makes you a social pariah and ostracized."

This is not true."

I don't know what to tell you.

As I said I'm an immigrant from Europe, and I can assure that each of my small group of Russian and Ukrainian friends would testify to exactly this.

This is what we've all seen from Irish people, in private and in public.

I've been here over 20 years, my Russian friends about 10, the Ukrainian girls obviously less (having come due to the war).

It's actually made the Ukrainian girls really sad, and sadly cynical, about Ireland and Irish people, who've otherwise treated them very nicely.

You must be very unlucky in the Irish people you have met.
As I said, I am Irish, I have lived here over 40 years in rural and urban areas. I have never met anybody who has openly said they are anti Jews or pro Hamas.
Irish people who disagree with what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza, yes, most people I would say. But there is an absolute difference. Most people or many people do not support Hamas and are not anti Jew.