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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

This for me too, that’s just the most horrendous thing to say & anyone who was my friend saying that would know how I felt about it. Please tell her, otherwise she’ll go unchecked thinking everyone is in agreement with her madness

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:49

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I don't really care if you believe me or not.

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Lookatthetwinklylights · 10/12/2024 22:48

Sorry if i’m being ignorant, but I don’t understand the Irish-jewish thing

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 22:47

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:37

I am so fucking angry and sick over what she said (Aside form the fact that it's something no one should even think, one branch of my family died in a progrom, which is why the others went to Israel in the first place.)

But I also knew a version of her would would never say something like that.
She has attempted suicide before. She is clearly suffering, mentally unwell and I used to love her. So it's more complicated than that.

Do you have any relationship with her husband/is this something you could talk to him about?

I'm afraid that regardless of the context/reasons I couldn't have someone like this anywhere near me, and would have unfriended on social video at the first extreme image. I think you need to set firmer boundaries. Regardless of your own background/identity, your friend's behaviour is unacceptable.

BarbaraHoward · 10/12/2024 22:44

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graceinspace999 · 10/12/2024 22:44

I find this post a bit weird.
How would she not know you were Jewish?
Friends since teenage years, lived together yet she didn’t know? Teenage girls who are close friends usually know each other’s details.

As for Irish people being sympathetic to the IRA!
That’s bollox!
Okay…maybe you’ll find the odd armchair terrorist shite-talking before getting chucked out of the pub but they’re the exception not the rule.

I also don’t understand why you’re friends with someone as hate-filled and prejudiced as this person.

I would have reported those foul remarks she made about killing Jews to the police.

She would not get past my front door.

Tristanthebrave · 10/12/2024 22:40

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:30

I genuinely don't remember telling her, or any specific conversation about it but the last time we hung out properly was at least 5 years ago. It's possible.

This is the thing, she never was antisemetic until now. She was always really anti-racist and left of centre actually. It was since the whole latest war with Hamas that seems to have triggered this.

Your friend is deplorable but it’s not “a war with Hamas”. Israel is mostly bombing Palestinian civilians. Let’s be real here. amnesty have recently called it a genocide.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:37

Sidebeforeself · 10/12/2024 22:27

What the hell are you scared of? You should WANT to lose the friendship! You do realise when she’s talking about gassing Jews she means you and your family don’t you?

I am so fucking angry and sick over what she said (Aside form the fact that it's something no one should even think, one branch of my family died in a progrom, which is why the others went to Israel in the first place.)

But I also knew a version of her would would never say something like that.
She has attempted suicide before. She is clearly suffering, mentally unwell and I used to love her. So it's more complicated than that.

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GreenTeaLikesMe · 10/12/2024 22:37

I don't know why people are doubting the OP. I know a couple of people who are very similar. They don't see what they are doing as anti semitism, they see it as part of a generalized very left wing identity. It wasn't always obvious. During COVID, they were obsessed with masking and lockdowns for ever and ever. Then they moved onto Palestine in the past year or so. They focus on whatever issue is being amplified by TikTok or whatever at this moment in time.

Gaz98 · 10/12/2024 22:36

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Cactuslife · 10/12/2024 22:35

This is extremism and wouldn’t be welcome in my house or my life.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 10/12/2024 22:34

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

I would blow her off without feeling any particular guilt. I generally try to avoid disrupting friendships for political reasons, but her relentless banging-on about this particular issue suggets strongly that she would not be open to "agree to differ" and avoiding the subject. Feel free to ditch her.

You can either invent something else you are doing around that time if you are conflict averse. Or tell her openly what the issue is, if you want to go that way.

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 10/12/2024 22:34

Just text her and be honest. Say that your political views don't match, are worlds apart, different core values, and that a friendship cannot survive based upon that, then block.

SlugsWon · 10/12/2024 22:33

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DazedAndConfused321 · 10/12/2024 22:33

I would never be associated with a nazi sympathiser. I couldn't imagine knowingly letting one in my home, let alone keeping up a friendship with one. How could you?

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Thelnebriati · 10/12/2024 22:32

JFC, you don't have to be Jewish to find comments about gassing Jews utterly abhorrent. There comes a point where people aren't just unwell, they have gone to a dark place that we shouldn't tolerate.
I wouldn't entertain her any more than I would a paedophile, get a grip and have some standards.

Sux2buthen · 10/12/2024 22:31

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Exactly what i was going to say

SlugsWon · 10/12/2024 22:30

So this is your opportunity to not be a coward, and speak up. She is not going to physically harm you, what are you scared of? She thinks your children deserve to die OP.

I'm as non confrontational as they come, but no way could I stay silent

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 10/12/2024 22:30

I don't know anyone who supports the IRA or Hamas - my friends are mostly Dublin and Kildare but also places like Waterford and Tipp. Are you actually sure or are you just assuming? I have honestly never met anyone in Ireland who has come out with support for either group. Though obviously Irish people are very strongly into human rights and do mostly disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF.

Your friend sounds mentally unwell - anyone who celebrates the deaths of people just because of where they are from or their religion is not of sound mind. I would honestly email her and tell her that you are Jewish and you can no longer be friends with someone who celebrates the deaths of Jewish people. A friend in the UK said he thought Bloody Sunday where British soldiers murdered Irish kids was justified - he is now not a friend and we do not speak - she has crossed a line.

GravyBoatWars · 10/12/2024 22:30

As a parent your responsibility is to remove this person who revels in and wishes harm to children and other civilians from your daughter's life, especially when they're children like your DD. I think you deserve better as well, but you at least need to protect your daughter.

If you don't feel safe or confident reminding her that you (and your daughter) are ethnically Jewish then I think you can still be direct and concise about the reasons. "Your posts and comments wishing harm to people you hate and cheering on violence aren't ok, and that's not something I'm willing to have in my home or my family's life."

If you can't summon that up then yes, make an excuse. But don't continue on with this relationship and don't let her near your DD. Do block her on social media and make absolutely sure your DD isn't seeing her social media if she's old enough to have access.

It's ok to grieve the loss of the friendship, but moving on separately is still the right choice.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:30

CandyCane5 · 10/12/2024 22:22

That sounds a nightmare and stressful!

Does she know you are Jewish (albeit non practicing)? Usually people with such strong views would not ever associate with a Jewish person whatsoever so I find it quite odd?
I know someone like this and every day the content reposted is horrendous, they are even bitter and angry towards Jewish celebrities, jewish owned shops and whatever, so I know they would never have a Jewish born friend!

I genuinely don't remember telling her, or any specific conversation about it but the last time we hung out properly was at least 5 years ago. It's possible.

This is the thing, she never was antisemetic until now. She was always really anti-racist and left of centre actually. It was since the whole latest war with Hamas that seems to have triggered this.

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Sidebeforeself · 10/12/2024 22:29

What’s the line ..something about “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” ?

Illinoise · 10/12/2024 22:29

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

I agree! This is horrific.

The standard we walk past is the standard we accept. If someone said ‘they didn’t gas enough Jews’ in front of me, I’d be calling them out. This is how racism continues, good people doing nothing.

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