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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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Rowen32 · 12/12/2024 14:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/12/2024 07:41

I agree. I don’t understand why some of the posters on here are so defensive. There are racists and anti semites in every country. I think it’s fine to challenge the claim that support for IRA is in anyway widespread but I don’t think we have to turn this whole thread into a defence of Ireland. Some people on this thread have negative experiences of Ireland. I think they should be allowed to describe their experience as long as they don’t imply their experience is typical of the country as a whole.

Well no, Irish people are taking offense to being called IRA supporters. It's possible to be upset about two things at once and as a PP mentioned there was really no need for OP to bring Irish people/IRA into it at all but she seems to have a vendetta there too

PurpleChrayn · 12/12/2024 14:05

This thread is about antisemitism not anti-irishism.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 13:47

I do not like what Putin is doing in Ukraine but I do not hate all Russian people.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 13:44

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

Well the OP who is Jewish said they do not think antisemitism is worse in Ireland than other places.
I would not look to youtube for my news personally.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 13:43

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

YouTube is full of junk and some Irish people are dickheads and extremists.

People are entitled to discuss their individual experiences, what they are not entitled to do is make statements such as “a lot” of Irish people support the IRA.

It has been widely reported in the media that attacks on Jewish people are increasing across the world. It is not something that only happens in Ireland. Ireland is not some racist hellhole.

Jews have been persecuted in many counties in Europe for centuries. But on this thread we have people from those very counties bemoaning that they are upset about how Irish people talk about Jewish people. Yet by the sounds of things what is actually being said is that Irish people have an issue with Israel’s current actions. That cannot be interpreted as anti-Jewish.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 13:26

There's all sorts of nonsense on YouTube that is best ignored.

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 13:08

*I absolutely think it is important that Jewish people in Ireland feel supported and that any attack on Jewish people for being Jewish or any hate speech against Jewish people is immediately condemned.

But there have been a lot of misleading posts on this thread that would give a v poor impression of Ireland if they were let lie.

The support in Ireland is for Palestine, for the suffering of the people of Palestine. It is not about being anti-Jewish.*

We said @the7Vabo

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 12:27

The OP said in her very post that she is Irish. At no point has anyone questioned that (unless I’ve missed a post).

I absolutely think it is important that Jewish people in Ireland feel supported and that any attack on Jewish people for being Jewish or any hate speech against Jewish people is immediately condemned.

But there have been a lot of misleading posts on this thread that would give a v poor impression of Ireland if they were let lie.

The support in Ireland is for Palestine, for the suffering of the people of Palestine. It is not about being anti-Jewish.

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 12:03

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:53

I don't think Ireland is more anti semitic than other places.
But it is important to be acknowledge and be understanding that Jewish people in Ireland feel this way.

Absolutely @AnxiousRose.

PreciousMahoney · 12/12/2024 12:01

Freeyourminds · 12/12/2024 10:34

Thank you, l’m not a troll either, found this thread very upsetting.Came onto this thread genuinely, against all racism, then read the original post.It’s for the best now that l leave the thread.Just thank you, for your comment.

Well said.

Mumsnet moderation went to shite on this one!

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:53

I don't think Ireland is more anti semitic than other places.
But it is important to be acknowledge and be understanding that Jewish people in Ireland feel this way.

PreciousMahoney · 12/12/2024 11:52

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 13:09

I'm Irish. One can critique ones own people.

I'm also Irish. From Belfast.

I may be a tad cynical but reading carefully the OPs posts I am doubtful it was ever about the 'friend'🙄

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 11:40

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

It is quite obvious OP is Irish.

OP said that Ireland isn’t more anti-semitic than anywhere else. To quote her
Ireland isn't any more antisemetic than anywhere else
It is other posters who are implying that it is, often with little or no experience of living in the country themselves.
Anti-semitism is on the rise worldwide and something everyone needs to work on.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:20

I have not questioned if the OP is Irish or not.
I suspected the OP was Irish before she even mentioned it because she said her and her friend lived together during college. British people usually call it uni.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 10:57

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

Can you show me a post implying that the Op is not really Irish?

The OP didn’t just refer to her experience. Her experience would have been telling the story of her relationship with her friend and what her friend said.

That has nothing to do with the IRA.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 10:38

Not a troll either, genuinely upset about the racism allowed on this thread.

Freeyourminds · 12/12/2024 10:34

Greywhippet · 11/12/2024 20:42

I’ve also reported this thread (twice) and had responses saying that no guidelines are being broken. And I don’t like being accused of troll hunting either. This is a disingenuous thread and the unsubstantiated slurs about Ireland are ridiculous

Thank you, l’m not a troll either, found this thread very upsetting.Came onto this thread genuinely, against all racism, then read the original post.It’s for the best now that l leave the thread.Just thank you, for your comment.

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 10:30

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 09:55

*yes they still support the old IRA - not the new one or any of the other made up ones.

That is not what was said. OP literally said it was not just old IRA she was talking about.

graceinspace999 · 12/12/2024 10:03

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Yes! I don’t understand how these awful anti Irish statements have been allowed to stand.

As other posters have commented if the word ‘Irish’ was switched out with the word ‘Jewish’
this thread would have been deleted.

As it stands some of the worst and most inflammatory statements I’ve seen are allowed to stand while other posters add their support.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:55

That is not what the OP said though. That is the problem.

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 09:55

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:31

The OP said A LOT of people in Ireland STILL support the IRA.

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*yes they still support the old IRA - not the new one or any of the other made up ones.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:45

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

I think you will find that most of the Irish people here have said they do not support or condone terrorism or violence from any group, the IRA, Hamas or the Israeli government.

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 02:20

OK...I did some cursory googling and If you're worried about the international image of Ireland, have a word with your far left politicians who tweeted these on October 7th 2023 while the massacre was still happening and the murder videos were still streaming. Or your elected city councillor who still hasn't been fired for regurgitating nazi propaganda at a government meeting.

These people might not represent most Irish people but they got enough support to be voted into those positions and they thought the political and social culture friendly enough to their ideas to support them. They ran for election again so I’m assuming they weren’t run out of politics with pitchforks… That is indeed quite a lot of support for outright terrorism supporters and antisemites in a progressive country.

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:31

The OP said A LOT of people in Ireland STILL support the IRA.