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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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BarbaraHoward · 11/12/2024 06:27

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OpheliaWasntMad · 11/12/2024 06:23

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You don’t think some people can become radicalised and extreme after spending huge amounts of time online?

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AgentJohnson · 11/12/2024 06:20

This woman is no longer your friend, your nightmares are your body’s way of telling you this. The only question you need to ask yourself, is why aren’t you listening.

Cancel her visit, tell her why and move on.

emailnonse · 11/12/2024 06:19

wait you do have children Op?

Parent the hell up FGS

I wouldn’t want this woman within a ten mile radius of my children and here you are…. potentially having her stay with you.

FGS OP you admit to being a coward, but for the sake of your children…. parent up

Peejays · 11/12/2024 06:18

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emailnonse · 11/12/2024 06:17

Is it you alone? or do you have a partner and children op?

Excited101 · 11/12/2024 06:15

Maybe she has mental heath issues because she’s a dick, and other people don’t react well to it?

OpheliaWasntMad · 11/12/2024 06:11

Namechange908 · 11/12/2024 05:29

I find it really shocking and disturbing that so many Irish people posting here are calling the OPs comments about some Irish people supporting the IRA “disgusting” yet have absolutely nothing to say about her friend describing the murder of innocent civilians beautiful and calling for the genocide of all Jews.

Seriously, if that’s the part of this post that disgusted you, you need to look in a mirror.

Agreed.

OpheliaWasntMad · 11/12/2024 06:10

CatsndtheBear · 11/12/2024 06:02

Edit: this is the first time I have ever quoted the OP like this. Fml. What a rookie error 😂
Sorry everyone.

She sounds like a truly terrible human being. She has been radicalised and is literally saying that Jewish people didn't suffer enough during the Holocaust. She is saying that current day Jews deserve to die because of the actions of the Israeli political leaders.

To be pro hamas is beyond belief and yet we are seeing people with these opinions AND it being socially accepted. I am gobsmacked.

Social media has absolutely lost its mind on this issue but she really has gone off the deep end. Sharing those videos with captions like that is sickening.

I wouldn't allow someone like that to step through my front door.

I would be telling her that you're very sorry but you have to change the plans due to family/work/ etc etc

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Yes - 💯 she’s been radicalised

OpheliaWasntMad · 11/12/2024 06:08

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.”

This is horrifying. She is seriously mentally unwell. I’m not sure that you can reason with someone like that.
You need to get her out of your life. I’m not one for “cancelling” friends just because we disagree but you can’t possibly be friends with someone like this.

(As for the sympathy for terrorists and anti semitism in Ireland - I know there are people with those views but It’s not mainstream behaviour surely? I wouldn’t want to be friends with anyone who had views remotely like that )

CatsndtheBear · 11/12/2024 06:02

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

Edit: this is the first time I have ever quoted the OP like this. Fml. What a rookie error 😂
Sorry everyone.

She sounds like a truly terrible human being. She has been radicalised and is literally saying that Jewish people didn't suffer enough during the Holocaust. She is saying that current day Jews deserve to die because of the actions of the Israeli political leaders.

To be pro hamas is beyond belief and yet we are seeing people with these opinions AND it being socially accepted. I am gobsmacked.

Social media has absolutely lost its mind on this issue but she really has gone off the deep end. Sharing those videos with captions like that is sickening.

I wouldn't allow someone like that to step through my front door.

I would be telling her that you're very sorry but you have to change the plans due to family/work/ etc etc

MaMaMalenka · 11/12/2024 05:57

You are SO NBU and your experience, though hijacked and questioned here because of your comment on the Irish, is so common.
I think many people don't realize the lengths Jews go to to hide/blur their identity in the UK - because of nasty comments and unpleasant reactions. I actually considered namechanging for this reply :(.
I had something similar with a friend of many years - also Irish - who knows that I'm Jewish, who knows I have family and friends who were victims on 7 October at the Nova music festival. Amazingly, after telling me the Jews (the Jews! not the Israelis!) "had it coming" she blocked me. It took some grieving for a friendship that I valued, but in a way she did me a favour by blocking me - I don't think I would have been able to do it myself.
Refuse to see that "friend" and don't make excuses for her. It's not MH, it's not PPD - it's plain racism and nastiness.

Scorchio84 · 11/12/2024 05:38

Rowen32 · 10/12/2024 21:45

Not what you're asking but I totally disagree a lot of Irish people are still pro IRA

Yeah this isn't remotely true, anti semitism is rife around the world not just here in Ireland

Oh & how awful "people are getting fucked off" about being labelled as such

Zonder · 11/12/2024 05:30

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Several people have said this. It doesn't mean they're right. It's also against MN talk guidelines to troll hunt. If you think something is fake you report it.

Some people seem to struggle with the idea that their experience isn't the same as everyone else's.

Namechange908 · 11/12/2024 05:29

I find it really shocking and disturbing that so many Irish people posting here are calling the OPs comments about some Irish people supporting the IRA “disgusting” yet have absolutely nothing to say about her friend describing the murder of innocent civilians beautiful and calling for the genocide of all Jews.

Seriously, if that’s the part of this post that disgusted you, you need to look in a mirror.

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Namechange908 · 11/12/2024 05:05

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:57

I live in an area with a lot of republicanism and historical ties to the IRA I accept its not a universal thing but not unusual either. More of a 'scratch the surface when people have had a few pints' kind of thing.

I'm pretty sure I never told her. My family aren't religious at all and it isn't really a big part of my cultural life. Just an ethincity really, my last name is German and I tell people my background is German. If I did tell her I'm pretty sure she's forgotten or she wouldn't have said what she said.

Your friend’s views are terrifying, I can’t believe you’d even consider having her over. She is calling for the genocide of you and your people. How can you be so mild in your reaction to that?

She is a dangerous person and you need to cut her out immediately, not have her at your house and around your children. I’d be reporting her antisemitic posts to the police as hate crimes.

It sounds like you have a lot of internalised antisemitism given you’re justifying her views in your OP (through her mental health and being Irish) and seem to have hidden being Jewish your whole life, even from close friends.

This is really sad.

Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 05:04

I have to agree though I do have solidarity for Palestine the extremism of your friend is frightening. She seems completely unhinged. I wouldn't want her harping on and ruining everyone's Christmas.

Shoxfordian · 11/12/2024 05:03

You're a kinder person than me as well op. Her views are completely unacceptable, she's a racist. Even if you weren't Jewish, you shouldn't have someone like that in your life. I'd have blocked her as soon as these posts started. Don't meet up.

Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 05:02

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:18

I didn't say majority I said "A lot." which is absolutely true where I'm from.

Of course it is a strong viewpoint particularly in Cork / Kerry. A lot of people speak fondly of the IRA and what they have achieved, me included. If it wasn't for the old IRA /IRB we wouldn't have a Republic. You only have to go to a Wolfe Tones concert to see the support for the IRA. 80,000 people at Electric Picnic, mostly young chanting. Come on, don't pretend that OP is talking nonsense.

OhHellolittleone · 11/12/2024 04:58

Rowen32 · 10/12/2024 21:45

Not what you're asking but I totally disagree a lot of Irish people are still pro IRA

I guess you just don’t know them … or they don’t speak about it in your company? I know quite a few!

Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 04:58

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 22:58

Many Irish people feel their experience of British occupation, sectarian conflict and famine gives them empathy with the Palestinian struggle.
Not anti Jewish though and not pro Hamas.

This 👏

AmberAlert86 · 11/12/2024 04:49

You are better, more empathetic person than I am. I would cut ties with her and im not Jewish. I wouldn't want someone glorifying violence in my home or near my family. I feel sorry for your friends little child. Also if your friend is mentally unwell I hope her family will notice and encourage her to get help.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you have to hide that you are Jewish? Are Irish antisemitic?
I'm nit from Ireland myself, just being curious how come being German was better than being Jewish....

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