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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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ChessorBuckaroo · 11/12/2024 07:44

Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 07:18

I suppose in most people's heads there isn't any difference between "old" IRA and all the newer provisional ones. It's unfortunate that they arent distunguished more. I suppose all the terrorists just want to use that name. Obviously I deplore the PIRA or whatever they call themselves these days for all the atrocities they carried out including the Omagh bombing. I think people on the "other" side in the North don't realise this either, when they hear the chants they presume it is for that same IRA that carried out bombings on their family/friends/neighbours. You can understand why they get irate.

What do you mean its "unfortunate" they aren't distinguished?

I know exactly what you mean, you are trotting out the old Ryan Tubridy (worst presenter in the history of Irish televison) line when confronted by Martin McGuinness for having disdain for him, but not for his own "heroic" grandfather.

I mean these acts of terror happened during the last 50 years, yes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_dynamite_campaign

Clerkenwell explosion - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 07:44

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TheaBrandt · 11/12/2024 07:41

Hard disagree. It’s one thing being indulgent about a good friends odd online presence but this one is glorifying horrific violence against a racial group that op is part of. It’s a safety issue parents shouldn’t expose their families to dangerously mentally unwell people.

TheFormidableMrsC · 11/12/2024 07:39

sofasofa42 · 11/12/2024 07:36

Maybe give her the benefit of the doubt. She is a bored and lonely mum to a two year old and gets a bit social media mental when she is on her own at night. My very close and hilarious friend has gone very social media weird over Israel/ Palestine and does similar to yours. I block her social media from my view and still enjoy her very funny company.
People are too quick to live and die by wattsap/ instagram at the moment with regard to their relationships. See her, give her a chance .

Social media mental is a weird description for somebody who says "they didn't gas enough of you". Fuck me, your bar is set very low.

sofasofa42 · 11/12/2024 07:36

Maybe give her the benefit of the doubt. She is a bored and lonely mum to a two year old and gets a bit social media mental when she is on her own at night. My very close and hilarious friend has gone very social media weird over Israel/ Palestine and does similar to yours. I block her social media from my view and still enjoy her very funny company.
People are too quick to live and die by wattsap/ instagram at the moment with regard to their relationships. See her, give her a chance .

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 07:33

Chulainn · 11/12/2024 07:23

You can't accuse the Irish on this thread of loving to get offended when you admit your wording was unclear. I waa offended by your words because of a false, imo, portrayal of Irish people which you then doubled down on when challenged. If you had kept your comments to a section of rural North Kerry, or to your teenage years over 20 years ago, fine. However, you have projected your locality and your teenage/possibly early 20s experiences onto the entire population of Ireland in 2024. I appreciate you are upset about your friend but you need to see why you have, in turn, upset a lot of Irish people.

“A lot” of Irish people are easily offended. Switch “Irish” for “Jewish” there OP. Would it be acceptable to say “A lot of Jewish people” are easily offended? Of course not. So please don’t say it about Irish people after aligning “a lot” of Irish people with a terrorist organisation.

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 07:31

mistification · 11/12/2024 07:26

I disagree with how you are categorising the majority of Ireland as pro-IRA now.

Not once has the OP suggested the majority of Ireland are pro IRA. She's just said there are some people in her area - which, since it's her living there, she's within her rights to mention.

She said “a lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA’.
In her OP.

emailnonse · 11/12/2024 07:30

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Superhansrantowindsor · 11/12/2024 07:30

Your friend is awful. Do not allow her into your home. Your op could do with a trigger warning.

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 07:29

mistification · 11/12/2024 07:26

I disagree with how you are categorising the majority of Ireland as pro-IRA now.

Not once has the OP suggested the majority of Ireland are pro IRA. She's just said there are some people in her area - which, since it's her living there, she's within her rights to mention.

To be fair the OP started by saying “a lot” of Irish people are pro IRA. Completely untrue.

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 07:28

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:02

I probably should have said 'some' since people are getting fucked off about it. I live in North Kerry and a lot of people are if you actually talk to them. Not just Old IRA either.

Sorry OP given the nature of your post why do you seem annoyed that Irish people are taking issue with generalisations about Irish people’s views.
Yes people are getting “fucked off” about it because it’s not only untrue, but you are posting on a non-Irish website just putting out there that “a lot” of Irish people are pro IRA.

To be clear “a lot” of Irish people are not pro IRA.

Your friend sounds like she is spiralling. However, no matter how mentally unwell she might what she said about Jewish people is unacceptable and you should tell her as much.

AlwaysHopingForBetter · 11/12/2024 07:26

I am muslim with lots of Jewish friends (live in N London) and I am appalled by your friend’s comments. This kind of extremist view is abhorrent to me. I have distanced myself from one friend who says the war is the fault of the Palestinians and they asked for it, and from some family who are frankly racist about Jewish people.

The things your friend is saying are racist and disgust me. I don’t know how you can bear her. I would stop following her on social media and hell would freeze over before she stayed with me.

I can accept different views about the conflict of course. But rejoicing in the death of innocents is a deal-breaker for me.

mistification · 11/12/2024 07:26

I disagree with how you are categorising the majority of Ireland as pro-IRA now.

Not once has the OP suggested the majority of Ireland are pro IRA. She's just said there are some people in her area - which, since it's her living there, she's within her rights to mention.

emailnonse · 11/12/2024 07:25

Cherrysoup · 11/12/2024 07:19

Same and I would not hold back from telling her this. Couldn’t normally give a crap re religion but she is extreme and I would not want to be near her.

i would go so far as to say that if you were to remain friends with someone with this view.,, then it also says something pretty bloody appalling about you

Chulainn · 11/12/2024 07:23

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:45

That is basically what I mean. I phrased it badly beacause I'm upset. I was in tears writing that post. A lot of Irish people really love getting offended too.

You can't accuse the Irish on this thread of loving to get offended when you admit your wording was unclear. I waa offended by your words because of a false, imo, portrayal of Irish people which you then doubled down on when challenged. If you had kept your comments to a section of rural North Kerry, or to your teenage years over 20 years ago, fine. However, you have projected your locality and your teenage/possibly early 20s experiences onto the entire population of Ireland in 2024. I appreciate you are upset about your friend but you need to see why you have, in turn, upset a lot of Irish people.

Kate8889 · 11/12/2024 07:20

Don't tell her you're Jewish. Does she know your address? I'd either just block her or say that you don't support Hamas, a literal terrorist group and don't feel comfortable meeting up.

Cherrysoup · 11/12/2024 07:19

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

Same and I would not hold back from telling her this. Couldn’t normally give a crap re religion but she is extreme and I would not want to be near her.

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Happiestwhen · 11/12/2024 07:18

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 07:05

Old IRA is thought of quite differently ime for obvious reasons, but OP said it wasn’t just Old IRA she was referring to unfortunately.

I wonder do some younger people get them mixed up when they hear references to IRA? Or people from outside Ireland perhaps. Clutching at straws…

Stay well away from your ‘friend’ OP. Her mindset is disgusting. She sounds unstable.

I suppose in most people's heads there isn't any difference between "old" IRA and all the newer provisional ones. It's unfortunate that they arent distunguished more. I suppose all the terrorists just want to use that name. Obviously I deplore the PIRA or whatever they call themselves these days for all the atrocities they carried out including the Omagh bombing. I think people on the "other" side in the North don't realise this either, when they hear the chants they presume it is for that same IRA that carried out bombings on their family/friends/neighbours. You can understand why they get irate.

crockofshite · 11/12/2024 07:16

I Definitely would NOT tell her you are Jewish. You may as well tell her you killed P. babies to spite her. She sounds dangerous, but also unwell.

Don't meet up with her.

cantthinkofausername26 · 11/12/2024 07:15

She sounds like a deranged racist psychopath! I wouldn't be entertaining this person, especially around my children!

lataraw · 11/12/2024 07:13

A synagogue was subject to a terror attack in Australia. Please report her to the Australian police not just on social media.

Frankly I wouldn't be around someone who said stuff like that and I'm not Jewish. I would tell them why, but I understand if you don't want to, it's not your responsibility. But it's also not your responsibility to look out for the person she used to be, she's changed, it's a shame but it happens, you need to move on asap.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 11/12/2024 07:13

AmberAlert86 · 11/12/2024 07:06

There is alot of "oh no, you don't count, hou are good enough to be one of us". Talking an immigrant. I've heard similar phrases when someone (at work usually) starts galling about immigrants all being thieves/lazy/on benefits/drunks etc.

Precisely. Most racists seem to make a few „exceptions“ for people they deem to be „good enough“/not like the others etc.

it is similar to misogynists loving their mothers (sisters, wives etc..) whilst spewing anti-women hatred and or victimising other women.

Chulainn · 11/12/2024 07:12

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:10

Go on then.

I live in North Kerry. I'm in my 40s. At youth club discos the DJ used to play rebel songs and the kids would jump up and down chanting 'Up the Ra.' etc. This was totally normal for us. The youth club leaders, some teachers at school and the parish priest were openly pro IRA. One local retired Priest was a member of the IRA in his youth and everyone knew it and kissed his arse for it.

There are plenty of people locally still glorify the provos and it doesn't take much to get them talking. I do believe they are a section of the population that no one wants to really acknowledge in this country. Hence the backlash on this thread at the suggestion. They walk among us. You know them.

I'm Irish and older than you. I agree rebel songs were incredibly popular years ago. I don't think you can base an argument on how life was when you were a teenager. Things have changed. I disagree with how you are categorising the majority of Ireland as pro-IRA now. I live in Dublin and can honestly say I haven't heard pro-IRA sentiments being casually or publicly discussed since before 2000. I'm not saying some aren't pro-IRA but they don't advertise it. This is not me refusing to acknowledge that this section of society exists, as you suggest. It's me saying I don't recognise this section of society because, if it exists, it's behind closed doors. Perhaps where you live is unique in that people are open about it but it's definitely not something I can relate to in the Ireland I live in today.

With regards to your friend, you are focusing a lot on her mental health but, in my view, are ignoring the impact the distress her views is having on you. Prioritise you and your family. Don't meet her this Christmas if she makes you that uncomfortable. If you want to keep the friendship make up an excuse why you can't meet - flu, family commitments etc. However, you mute her on sm because of her views so how good a friendship is it really? Maybe it's time to let it go, starting by simply saying you're not available to meet up and then cutting contact.

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 07:11

crockofshite · 11/12/2024 06:58

It's not offensive for the OP to talk about her own experience.

It doesn't matter whether others have experienced the same or not, it's her experience and life.

She’s extrapolated her experience to include the whole country and all Irish people, that’s the issue.