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Impatient train woman

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Bigtom · 10/12/2024 17:36

I regularly commute on a train for around an hour each way. There are no reserved seats. I have a type of arthritis that makes sitting (or standing!) quite uncomfortable so I try to get one of the limited seats with extra leg room.

I walked the length of the train to find one today and the only one was a window seat with someone already sitting in the aisle. I duly asked the lady in the aisle if it was free and she said yes and stood up. I then took off my coat and got my coffee cup out of my bag and put my bag and coat in the overhead rack. While I did this a bit of a queue of people built up.

When I sat down, the lady muttered “take your time why don’t you”. AIBU to think she was very rude and should sit on the window seat if she doesn’t want to move? When I said that, she responded that I was keeping other people waiting!

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toucheee · 11/12/2024 10:02

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:54

Er yes, it’s part of the basic social contract in this country. People should give up seats where needed for people with mobility issues. In return people with mobility issues should do their best to minimise disruption for others where possible. Just because you have mobility issues doesn’t give you carte blanche to just do whatever you want with no regard for others who may also have needs.

I’m heavily pregnant, I would expect someone to give up their seat for me. I would not expect multiple people to stand around waiting for me to make myself at home.

What people SHOULD do is very different to what people ACTUALLY do.

Why should OP rely on strangers to be kind when she can just take the seat herself?

rwalker · 11/12/2024 09:55

Bigtom · 10/12/2024 19:10

It wasn’t a huge queue, just 2 or 3 people. I also took some time getting my coat off, getting my cup out and putting my bag up as mentioned in my OP. Maybe 30 seconds in total?

That might of seemed like 30sec to you but to do all that with your stated issues probably took a lot longer
also if the train was filling up from the other end they more than likely missed getting a seat waiting for you

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:54

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:50

You really think someone would get up for OP? Look at the lack of empathy on this thread.

Mumsnet is full of threads where people have sat in other people's reserved seats.

OP was absolutely right to prioritise herself.

Er yes, it’s part of the basic social contract in this country. People should give up seats where needed for people with mobility issues. In return people with mobility issues should do their best to minimise disruption for others where possible. Just because you have mobility issues doesn’t give you carte blanche to just do whatever you want with no regard for others who may also have needs.

I’m heavily pregnant, I would expect someone to give up their seat for me. I would not expect multiple people to stand around waiting for me to make myself at home.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:50

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:46

Again, already discussed and highly unlikely, but even if it did happen, I’m sure the OP can use her words and say “excuse me would you mind swapping seats with me as I need one with extra legroom”.

You really think someone would get up for OP? Look at the lack of empathy on this thread.

Mumsnet is full of threads where people have sat in other people's reserved seats.

OP was absolutely right to prioritise herself.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:48

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 11/12/2024 09:46

I’m not saying anything like that.
OP could have taken her coat off a few minutes later .

But she'd have to get up again? And ask aisle person to get up again?

Getting up once you've sat down is not easy for many people.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:46

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:44

If she moved away, someone else would take the seat.

Again, already discussed and highly unlikely, but even if it did happen, I’m sure the OP can use her words and say “excuse me would you mind swapping seats with me as I need one with extra legroom”.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 11/12/2024 09:46

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:43

What was the solution? For a disabled person to be uncomfortable throughout her journey so as not inconvenience able bodied people?

Why should able bodied people be able to put their coats away in the facility made available for it but disabled people shouldn't avail of it?

I’m not saying anything like that.
OP could have taken her coat off a few minutes later .

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:45

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:43

What has been discussed? What kind of answer is that?

The availability of seats and the fact that there was loads available. OP wanted a specific one which is obviously fine, but the suggestion is to let others past so they can sit down/sort themselves out before blocking the aisle to arrange your things.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:44

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:42

As has already been discussed, move out of the way to let others past and then return to the seat she wanted and unpack everything she needs.

If she moved away, someone else would take the seat.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:43

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:41

Again, RTFT, this has already been discussed at length.

I agree the ignorance is astounding, I’m shocked people with a disability or mobility needs just assume they’re the only one struggling and therefore there’s no need to show consideration to others as well.

What has been discussed? What kind of answer is that?

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:43

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 11/12/2024 09:39

She’s not being impatient, she’s suggesting a solution that means everyone suffers the least inconvenience. And remember that people on the train didn’t know there was a disability. There are badges you can wear to indicate this.

What was the solution? For a disabled person to be uncomfortable throughout her journey so as not inconvenience able bodied people?

Why should able bodied people be able to put their coats away in the facility made available for it but disabled people shouldn't avail of it?

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:42

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:39

So what was she supposed to do, hold on to the coffee whilst folding her coat and putting it away? Logic, people.

As has already been discussed, move out of the way to let others past and then return to the seat she wanted and unpack everything she needs.

Isatis · 11/12/2024 09:41

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:39

So what was she supposed to do, hold on to the coffee whilst folding her coat and putting it away? Logic, people.

Leave it in her bag, deal with her coat, sit down, get coffee out, put bag under seat. Logic.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:41

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:38

What guarantee would she have of a seat being free further down the train? You take the first available suitable seat.

The ignorance on this thread is astounding.

Again, RTFT, this has already been discussed at length.

I agree the ignorance is astounding, I’m shocked people with a disability or mobility needs just assume they’re the only one struggling and therefore there’s no need to show consideration to others as well.

Isatis · 11/12/2024 09:40

Bigtom · 10/12/2024 19:49

It’s not, I need to be able to move around and stretch out my legs. I can’t do that with my bag in the way. Reaching up is not a problem.

Your bag wouldn't be in the way if it was under your seat. If you had gone for that option, you could have sat down and then got your coffee out, minimising disruption quite significantly.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:39

Isatis · 11/12/2024 09:34

I'd be prepared to bet it was more than that. I think, though, that the business of getting set up with coffee etc would have irritated me more than the coat/bag stuff.

So what was she supposed to do, hold on to the coffee whilst folding her coat and putting it away? Logic, people.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 11/12/2024 09:39

Bigtom · 10/12/2024 19:13

Wow, are you always so impatient with disabled people?

She’s not being impatient, she’s suggesting a solution that means everyone suffers the least inconvenience. And remember that people on the train didn’t know there was a disability. There are badges you can wear to indicate this.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:38

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:19

RTFT, the OP has already said she doesn’t have a problem walking and had walked the length of the carriage to find a suitable seat for her needs.

What guarantee would she have of a seat being free further down the train? You take the first available suitable seat.

The ignorance on this thread is astounding.

Isatis · 11/12/2024 09:34

Bigtom · 10/12/2024 19:10

It wasn’t a huge queue, just 2 or 3 people. I also took some time getting my coat off, getting my cup out and putting my bag up as mentioned in my OP. Maybe 30 seconds in total?

I'd be prepared to bet it was more than that. I think, though, that the business of getting set up with coffee etc would have irritated me more than the coat/bag stuff.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:19

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:17

You seriously don’t see why a disabled person should take the first available suitable seat?

Fuck me.

RTFT, the OP has already said she doesn’t have a problem walking and had walked the length of the carriage to find a suitable seat for her needs.

RhaenysRocks · 11/12/2024 09:18

TheignT · 11/12/2024 08:52

Maybe you're not in pain standing on a train while OP faffs about. I've been a single parent with a demanding job and very busy, I've been my husband's carer, bringing up children and doing a demanding job. Trust me the world looks different when you are in pain and someone else is messing about adding to your pain, I hope you don't find out.

I don't think it's "messing about" though. The OP has explained her own pain would be increased by sitting in her coat with bag in lap and that she can't twist to sit in an aisle seat. Everyone saying "think of those in pain" are ignoring the OPs. What I'm saying is that life is full of other people. Everyone is building up what the op did into.some huge, entitled thing but it will have taken less than a minute. If you're capable of being out and on public transport the extension of that by one minute, when the train could have been delayed for any number of minutes or you could have been standing waiting for people to get off with buggies or luggage should not be deserving of such ire. Everyone has needs, we all need to work around each others' and I don't think what the OP did was egregious. And yes I have my own pain in various ways.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 11/12/2024 09:18

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:15

Yes if she needs to put her coat away she needs to put it away! Why should she be uncomfortable or burdened with things because she has a disability?

She has reduced mobility she can’t keep getting up! Just because you can doesn’t mean SHE can.

Seriously learn some empathy people.

Edited

Of course she shouldn’t be uncomfortable or burdened with things because she has a disability, but she should also be mindful of those around her and step aside so others can do what they need to do before blocking the aisle on public transport. The two aren’t mutually exclusive and others around may also have disability needs.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:17

eurochick · 11/12/2024 09:11

If there were loads of seats further down why didn't you go to the end or find an aisle seat if you knew you needed to faff before sitting down?

You seriously don’t see why a disabled person should take the first available suitable seat?

Fuck me.

toucheee · 11/12/2024 09:15

TheignT · 11/12/2024 09:06

No one is rude about needing priority seats. Does your mother block the aisle while she faffs about holding other people up? If not there isn't a problem is there. I need a priority seat if possible due to arthritis but I would never stand in the aisle blocking people so I can take my coat off and sort my bag out as I know I'm not the only person in the world with a painful condition.

Yes if she needs to put her coat away she needs to put it away! Why should she be uncomfortable or burdened with things because she has a disability?

She has reduced mobility she can’t keep getting up! Just because you can doesn’t mean SHE can.

Seriously learn some empathy people.

eurochick · 11/12/2024 09:11

If there were loads of seats further down why didn't you go to the end or find an aisle seat if you knew you needed to faff before sitting down?

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