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Impatient train woman

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Bigtom · 10/12/2024 17:36

I regularly commute on a train for around an hour each way. There are no reserved seats. I have a type of arthritis that makes sitting (or standing!) quite uncomfortable so I try to get one of the limited seats with extra leg room.

I walked the length of the train to find one today and the only one was a window seat with someone already sitting in the aisle. I duly asked the lady in the aisle if it was free and she said yes and stood up. I then took off my coat and got my coffee cup out of my bag and put my bag and coat in the overhead rack. While I did this a bit of a queue of people built up.

When I sat down, the lady muttered “take your time why don’t you”. AIBU to think she was very rude and should sit on the window seat if she doesn’t want to move? When I said that, she responded that I was keeping other people waiting!

OP posts:
toucheee · 14/12/2024 10:55

Swiftie1878 · 14/12/2024 10:31

I suspect it wasn’t clear you were struggling and in pain.
You do come off as quite entitled. I’d have been cross with you if I was the lady who stood to let you in or if I’d been in the queue of people waiting to get by.
We all have our ‘thing’ going on. You should be more understanding of their impatience (and perhaps have shown a little humility), just as you expect them to be understanding of your invisible arthritis.

No, OP shouldn’t have to show ‘understanding and humility’ to people who make passive aggressive comments like ‘take your time why don’t you’.

You would benefit from going on a disability / inclusion course, your views are so ignorant.

toucheee · 14/12/2024 10:53

Swiftie1878 · 14/12/2024 10:31

I suspect it wasn’t clear you were struggling and in pain.
You do come off as quite entitled. I’d have been cross with you if I was the lady who stood to let you in or if I’d been in the queue of people waiting to get by.
We all have our ‘thing’ going on. You should be more understanding of their impatience (and perhaps have shown a little humility), just as you expect them to be understanding of your invisible arthritis.

You’d be cross at being asked to get up?

Then you would have been crosser had OP sat down and then asked you to stand up again so she can put her coat away.

Or are you saying OP should have the spent the entire journey being uncomfortable to placate you?

needsomewarmsunshine · 14/12/2024 10:49

She was rude but you faffed.

Zanatdy · 14/12/2024 10:49

It’s not selfish if you’re disabled to take the time to do that. But commuters have little patience, and they had no idea about your condition. They just want to find a seat and sit down.

Clafoutie · 14/12/2024 10:49

W0tnow · 13/12/2024 06:14

Well, no. Not that truth. Not particularly. Waiting for 30 seconds? This is a classic case of a pile on for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than people want to. It’s really very curious. Almost 20 years on here and I’ve never quite understood it. It’s like the more benign the issue, the more insistent people get that there has been some major social infraction.

I completely agree. Some posters are cross examining the OP on the extent of her disability, almost trying to ‘catch her out’ and get her to justify her needs. It is very peculiar.

Swiftie1878 · 14/12/2024 10:40

Bigtom · 11/12/2024 12:14

There are 3 sets of double seats with extra leg room. Two are specifically marked as for disabled / elderly / pregnant women (all of these were taken), so it was the unmarked one I was going for. I didn’t say why I needed it. She may have thought it was odd, yes. I thought it was odd she was sitting in the aisle seat.

Edited

Not odd at all to sit in the aisle seat on a train with plenty of spare seats. It says that you don’t want to sit next to anyone!
No wonder she was tetchy. You pushed a lot of buttons in those 30 seconds you took to make sure YOU were OK.

katenutzs · 14/12/2024 10:40

you sound likehard work.

Swiftie1878 · 14/12/2024 10:31

Bigtom · 10/12/2024 19:18

I just wondered how most people would react. I think it’s a bit sad most people seem so impatient and intolerant of someone clearly struggling and in pain, but perhaps I should have expected that.

I suspect it wasn’t clear you were struggling and in pain.
You do come off as quite entitled. I’d have been cross with you if I was the lady who stood to let you in or if I’d been in the queue of people waiting to get by.
We all have our ‘thing’ going on. You should be more understanding of their impatience (and perhaps have shown a little humility), just as you expect them to be understanding of your invisible arthritis.

Emmz1510 · 14/12/2024 10:14

Meh I can’t be bothered with people faffing about with this kind of stuff, oblivious to the fact a queue is forming. But then I am a pathological people pleaser, impatient with a a type A personality and would probably have ended up sitting the entire journey with my coat on rather than do this. So no, yanbu!

TheignT · 14/12/2024 09:12

Makingchocolatecake · 13/12/2024 17:53

What exactly were the other people waiting for? There's no where to go!

They probably wanted to sit down on one of the many seats the OP said were available.

TheignT · 14/12/2024 09:11

Magnastorm · 13/12/2024 18:54

Oh no, the woman had to stand up for 30 seconds.

Do you honestly think the OP was timing herself? No that is a throwaway figure and in no way can we regard it as accurate but regardless of that you have no way of knowing how painful it was for her to get up, stand there and then sit down again. The least the OP could have done was apologise but even better when the woman went to stand OP could have said to wait as she had to sort herself out. It isn't hard to be considerate.

Magnastorm · 13/12/2024 18:54

TheignT · 13/12/2024 17:18

It should be mutual, having arthritis isn't nice as I know but it doesn't mean you just assume you can inconvenience other people. People blocking the aisles on trains are annoying and the woman didn't say anything that wasn't true did she.

Oh no, the woman had to stand up for 30 seconds.

Makingchocolatecake · 13/12/2024 17:53

What exactly were the other people waiting for? There's no where to go!

toucheee · 13/12/2024 17:21

TheignT · 13/12/2024 17:18

It should be mutual, having arthritis isn't nice as I know but it doesn't mean you just assume you can inconvenience other people. People blocking the aisles on trains are annoying and the woman didn't say anything that wasn't true did she.

She wasn't blocking the aisle to twirl on her toes, she was putting her things away / down.

The woman was very rude. If a stranger told you 'take your time why don't you' for doing a perfectly ordinary thing you would be singing a different tune.

TheignT · 13/12/2024 17:18

toucheee · 13/12/2024 06:57

No, truth doesn’t hurt. But you know what does hurt? Having a problem with your spine and arthritis and then being expected to prioritise other people.

Learn some empathy.

It should be mutual, having arthritis isn't nice as I know but it doesn't mean you just assume you can inconvenience other people. People blocking the aisles on trains are annoying and the woman didn't say anything that wasn't true did she.

pizzaHeart · 13/12/2024 15:57

I guess what you did OP was more than an average person usually does before sitting down in a train and was slower than an average person usually does. So from the outside it looked like slow unnecessary faffing. I got this a lot recently when my shoulder was hurt - people thought that I was faffing but I was just slow and careful.
However saying this, she was unnecessary rude. She should have learned by now (she didn’t sound 5y.o from your description) that people might have their reasons for things. But again you can easily forget it on a bad day. I’m sure we all guilty of it sometimes.
Apologies if someone mentioned this already.

CoatedinIron · 13/12/2024 15:53

Incredibly rude of her to comment. This is the sort of situation where you have to grin and bear it, like the queue to get to your seat on a plane. Inevitably you are behind at least one person who is loading an overhead locker. Public transport seems to bring out the worst in people.

The only question I have is did you perform these tasks with a sort of air of practiced nonchalance? Like there was no sense of urgency? It is sort of expected in this situation that you appear a little flustered and rush whilst apologising repeatedly. If you were acting like you were mindfully gathering up your belongings at the end of a yoga class it would irk the people waiting. Be honest.

BluePombear · 13/12/2024 15:41

It is helpful when people board public transport efficiently. Faffing around and creating congestion in carriages bottleneck the doors and contribute to train delays and missed connections.

LazyArsedMagician · 13/12/2024 15:18

LazyArsedMagician · 11/12/2024 13:06

Some of these responses are ridiculous.

OP should sit in her coat for an hour so as not to inconvenience people waiting in the aisle for what, a minute? Maybe even 2?

It's completely normal to take your coat off and put your stuff away, and OP is right, if it was so bothersome to this woman she should have anticipated being annoyed by someone asking for that seat and sat by the window herself.

Just wanted to come and report back that on my train last night, this man sitting in the window seat WOKE ME UP so he could get off at his stop!

An outrageous action I'm sure you'll all agree, he should have thought to ask when I was getting off when he shifted over to let me sit down.

...or not, as @W0tnow says, a totally mundane circumstance that most people manage to get past without making a snarky comment.

W0tnow · 13/12/2024 11:29

Quite! And the whole disability thing is irrelevant here. It doesn’t matter if it’s the person shedding their coat, or the rude woman in the seat, or the queuing passengers who have the disability. Hidden or not. It doesn’t matter if they’re all Olympic level fit. What we are describing here is a perfectly mundane set of circumstances that happens every day in situations where people are in close quarters. Jostling to get into a lift, finding a car park, getting your kids in and out of a car, getting you and your kids sorted before vacating your table at a cafe, packing your groceries at the supermarket. The list is endless. Sometimes people have to wait a few moments. It’s an almost imperceptible blip in the context of daily minor inconveniences. And if you choose to be part of society and it bothers you, then so what?

RhaenysRocks · 13/12/2024 07:07

W0tnow · 13/12/2024 06:14

Well, no. Not that truth. Not particularly. Waiting for 30 seconds? This is a classic case of a pile on for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than people want to. It’s really very curious. Almost 20 years on here and I’ve never quite understood it. It’s like the more benign the issue, the more insistent people get that there has been some major social infraction.

Absolutely agree with this. I said similar upthread that being held up for a minute or two by other people going about their business is just part of living in society. We ALL are in the way of someone else sometimes. If I'm doing a return at a supermarket, or reversing into my drive (as we are constantly lectured on here we must do), or sending three parcels at the post office or strapping a kid into a car seat so my door is open into the next space, or rinsing my cup at work I'm likely in someone's way for a minute. All of those things could be done in a way less convenient to me but better for someone else but it's life. The OP, if you read the updates, slipped a coffee cup out of an exposed side pocket, reached up and slid a bag and coat on the rack. The "queue" will build up in seconds on a train so that's not evidence it was taking ages. There's so literal tolerance for the basic existence of other people now it's quite worrying.

toucheee · 13/12/2024 06:57

TheignT · 12/12/2024 21:21

Yes very likely. Someone with a problem with their spine and twisting to take coat off is an issue, then the rest of it. Thirty seconds it isn't but regardless the woman said she'd kept other people waiting and she had. Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it.

No, truth doesn’t hurt. But you know what does hurt? Having a problem with your spine and arthritis and then being expected to prioritise other people.

Learn some empathy.

W0tnow · 13/12/2024 06:14

Well, no. Not that truth. Not particularly. Waiting for 30 seconds? This is a classic case of a pile on for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than people want to. It’s really very curious. Almost 20 years on here and I’ve never quite understood it. It’s like the more benign the issue, the more insistent people get that there has been some major social infraction.

TheignT · 12/12/2024 21:21

W0tnow · 12/12/2024 10:18

Yes? Probably less?

Yes very likely. Someone with a problem with their spine and twisting to take coat off is an issue, then the rest of it. Thirty seconds it isn't but regardless the woman said she'd kept other people waiting and she had. Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it.

toucheee · 12/12/2024 10:40

Bigtom · 12/12/2024 10:16

My arthritis is in my spine, so walking is mostly not a problem. Twisting my spine to take my coat off is very difficult in a confined space but not too bad if I have space. Sitting (or standing or lying!) in one position becomes painful quite quickly. You’re making some unjustified assumptions about what I can and can’t do.

I’m still not convinced that I’m being hugely selfish by expecting someone to wait for 30 seconds without getting impatient and being rude but I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

You weren’t selfish at all. You made the mistake of being a woman who had the temerity to make a few people wait for you. Your role is life is to facilitate everyone else to get settled in first.

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